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3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different?

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2020/09/24 13:29:21 (permalink)
For the 3090 series, other than a few mhz on GPU to 1800, 3x 8-pin power, and a larger 2.7 slot design;  Is there any difference between the FTW Ultra and the base XC3 Black or the Nvidia Founders Edition?
 
I saw someone said buried here in the forums the power phases are different? is there a difference PCB other than the power connector?  I'm doing the EVGA site compare, looking through all of EVGA's materials and looking at the detailed specs and can't find any differences.  Did I miss something?
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    KrotosTheTank
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/24 19:42:44 (permalink)
    would like to second this.  My plan is to get a waterblock and custom loop it myself anyways. At that point is the ultra worthwhile? is the PCB better? binned chip? etc
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/24 19:51:17 (permalink)
    the powerphases are better and has duel bios 
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/24 19:54:17 (permalink)
    If I recall, the FTW3 also has a higher TDP. 440 watts, I think - and with this generation of cards, it's looking as though the higher TDP cards clock higher (and are therefor faster) since they are all limited by power. Oh, and dual VBIOS as well I think.
     
    The FTW3 also has three 8 pin power connectors - which will allow for more wattage if we ever get our hands on a unlimited / higher TDP VBIOS. 
    post edited by arestavo - 2020/09/24 20:08:20
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/24 19:59:42 (permalink)
    arestavo
    If I recall, the FTW3 also has a higher TDP. 440 watts, I think - and with this generation of cards, it's looking as though the higher TDP cards clock higher (and are therefor faster) since they are all limited by power. Oh, and dual VBIOS as well I think.
     
    The FTW3 also has three 9 pin power connectors - which will allow for more wattage if we ever get our hands on a unlimited / higher TDP VBIOS. 


    ya forgot about the higher tdp 
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/24 20:01:44 (permalink)
    joemama5136
    the powerphases are better and has duel bios 


    awesome good to know, so that's between base FTW3 and FTW3 Ultra or just the FTW3s over the EC3s?
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/24 20:07:40 (permalink)
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    joemama5136
    the powerphases are better and has duel bios 


    awesome good to know, so that's between base FTW3 and FTW3 Ultra or just the FTW3s over the EC3s?


    Between the FTW3 series and FE/XC3.
     
    FTW3 to FTW3 Ultra is just boost clock speed guarantee - same for the XC3 to XC3 Ultra.
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 08:44:45 (permalink)
    Ya literally just the clock speed, oh right and tdp (negligible). Either one is an excellent choice!
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 09:37:46 (permalink)
    The waterblock are planned for the FTW3 ultra ? 
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 09:57:09 (permalink)
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    The waterblock are planned for the FTW3 ultra ? 


    Of course.. always a water block for their top models.

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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 10:57:34 (permalink)
    AHowes
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    The waterblock are planned for the FTW3 ultra ? 


    Of course.. always a water block for their top models.


    Thank you for your answer, more than to wait to receive the card because the French stores are catastrophic, more than to wait for the release of the waterblock
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 11:04:59 (permalink)
    Between the Ftw and ftw ultra, do you think the chip bin threshhold is different?

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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 11:28:28 (permalink)
    I don’t think the differences are very large
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 11:47:14 (permalink)
    KrotosTheTank
    would like to second this.  My plan is to get a waterblock and custom loop it myself anyways. At that point is the ultra worthwhile? is the PCB better? binned chip? etc



    Probably only to the advertised clock speed. I'm guessing that they're binning all chips and categorizing them based on how high they go. Lowest reserved for XC; highest reserved for Kingpin.
     
     
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 11:49:59 (permalink)
    nedh84
    Between the Ftw and ftw ultra, do you think the chip bin threshhold is different?

    Jacob has come out and stated that the Ultra versions of the cards have been tested to work at the Ultra frequencies. Take that however you want to.
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 11:51:28 (permalink)
    Yes for sure
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 12:20:35 (permalink)
    actually I've seen a power slider showing 107%
    Im guessing the TDP can reach 471 which is really good.
     
    Asus lists the ROG as 400 watt but it has access to 480 (479.7 confirmed). These seem to be tops for partner cards
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 12:26:58 (permalink)
    as far as the binning is concerned, last gen i had a XC ultra on air that easily reached 2115Mhz.
     
    But at the same time one of my ftw3 ultra hydrocoppers maxed out at 2100 and would crap out if i try to push for more. Which is actually very disapointing for a high tdp card under water vs a lower tier card on air.
     
    I think your more likely to get a better chip if you get the ftw3 in general but its not a "true bin" like the Klngpin cards are
     
    Keep in mind the FTW3 IS a custom pcb with overbuilt mosfets, powerphases, ext. VRM stays cooler
    It's by far one of the best and I always look for this type of card as a bare minimum. Will never buy a zotac or any lower tier card
     
    To be completely honest though I prefer the Asus Strix slightly. They tend to use slightly more expensive parts for example power stages EVGA last gen used PDMF37 (which is very standard) whereas Asus used a more expensive texas instruments counterpart.
    Strix to me is the top of the top (excluding the supreme overkill cards i.e. msi lightning,ext)
    But FTW3 is right up there
    post edited by ehabash1 - 2020/09/25 12:38:58
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 18:17:44 (permalink)
    arestavo
    nedh84
    Between the Ftw and ftw ultra, do you think the chip bin threshhold is different?

    Jacob has come out and stated that the Ultra versions of the cards have been tested to work at the Ultra frequencies. Take that however you want to.




    I think it's safe to assume that they'll bin everything as long as their supply is low and demand is high. Higher binned chips will go in the more expensive cards while lower binned chips will be relegated down to lower-tier cards. 
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 18:34:54 (permalink)
    ehabash1
    as far as the binning is concerned, last gen i had a XC ultra on air that easily reached 2115Mhz.
     
    But at the same time one of my ftw3 ultra hydrocoppers maxed out at 2100 and would crap out if i try to push for more. Which is actually very disapointing for a high tdp card under water vs a lower tier card on air.
     
    I think your more likely to get a better chip if you get the ftw3 in general but its not a "true bin" like the Klngpin cards are
     
    Keep in mind the FTW3 IS a custom pcb with overbuilt mosfets, powerphases, ext. VRM stays cooler
    It's by far one of the best and I always look for this type of card as a bare minimum. Will never buy a zotac or any lower tier card
     
    To be completely honest though I prefer the Asus Strix slightly. They tend to use slightly more expensive parts for example power stages EVGA last gen used PDMF37 (which is very standard) whereas Asus used a more expensive texas instruments counterpart.
    Strix to me is the top of the top (excluding the supreme overkill cards i.e. msi lightning,ext)
    But FTW3 is right up there




    I found this old post from u/markilleruk on r/nvidia
    https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9qadth/is_the_ftw3_ultra_2080_ti_the_top_of_evgas_line/
     
    FTW3 is the best EVGA card so far released for the 20xx generation. Usually improved cards are released as time goes on, here is what we have seen historically.
     
      K|ngp|n AKA Kingpin (Usually highest factory OC, on the best cooler (dual for 9xx series, tri for 10xx series), a finely tuned custom PCB with extra power phases over FTW models etc, usually very late to release and finely tuned with extreme overclocking in mind. The Kingpin cards are the only EVGA cards with binned chips. This means their overclocking quality has been tested for higher clocks with extreme overclocks guaranteed, but you pay a very hefty premium) >
     
      Classified (Usually highest factory OC, on the best cooler, best custom PCB but unlike the Kingpin is NOT binned and no guarantees of a high performance chip, so still playing the silicon lottery and as such FTW, SC or even Black cards can sometimes achieve higher OCs especially with custom cooling solutions.) >
      FTW Elite (Usually highest factory OC on tri fan design, custom PCB, same as FTW3 below but with basically only cosmetic improvements like a colored shroud) >
      FTW3 (Usually highest factory OC on tri fan design, custom PCB with better power phases etc for better at home overclocking, higher power limits, and larger heat sink to cool the extra heat generated) >
      FTW2 (Usually highest factory OC on an improved dual fan design, custom PCB, precursor to FTW3)
      FTW (Usually highest factory OC on dual fan design, custom PCB, precursor to FTW2)
      SC2 Elite (Usually highest factory OC on improved dual fan design, vanilla PCB, usually reserved for 'elite members', SC2 with basically only cosmetic improvements like a colored shroud) >
      SC2 (Usually highest factory OC with improved dual fan design, vanilla PCB, Replaced with "XC Ultra" this gen) >
      SSC+ (Increased OC, dual fan, vanilla PCB, looks like this was replaced with "XC" this gen) >
      SSC (Increased OC, dual fan, vanilla PCB)>
      SC+ (Increased OC, dual fan, vanilla PCB) >
      SC (Smallest factory OC, dual fan, vanilla PCB) >
      Black (Usually stock clocks or minor factory OC to match Founders Edition from NVIDIA, dual fan, vanilla PCB, stock clocks this gen) >
      Gaming/Vanilla (Stock clocks, often blower design, can be dual fan, vanilla PCB)
     
    With the 10xx gen they introduced DT variants of the FTW/FTW2/FTW3 like the "1080 Ti FTW3 DT". These were FTW cards, with the fancy custom PCB, fan design, and enhanced overclocking features that for one reason or another lost the silicon lottery and were reverted to stock clocks. Avoid these IMO as you are often paying more money than other stock clocked cards for a GPU that is a known poor overclocker. Only benefit is cooler/quieter running than SC/Black/gaming models.
    Some of these like the FTW3, Classified and k|ngp|n will also come with alternative water coolers to provide better cooling:
     
      Hydro/Hydrocopper = waterblock
     
      Hybrid = AOI Water cooling + blower fan
    TLDR: FTW3 is best 2080 Ti so far, Classified and Kingpin are better, but only for extreme overclockers. Avoid DT as these are failed factory overclockers.
    post edited by gimeno - 2020/09/25 18:41:30
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 20:10:47 (permalink)
    stroker425
    Ya literally just the clock speed, oh right and tdp (negligible). Either one is an excellent choice!

    So theoretically one can get from one to the other with an OC?
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 23:06:23 (permalink)
    Does the FTW3 Ultra also have the better performing capacitors?
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 23:11:08 (permalink)
    Poss273
    Does the FTW3 Ultra also have the better performing capacitors?


    Same configuration as the FEs (2 groups of the mlcc caps that everyone suddenly wants (they may be needed, but they age unlike the other ones), and 4 of the poscaps).
    post edited by arestavo - 2020/09/25 23:13:39
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 23:28:43 (permalink)
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    Poss273
    Does the FTW3 Ultra also have the better performing capacitors?


    Same configuration as the FEs (2 groups of the mlcc caps that everyone suddenly wants (they may be needed, but they age unlike the other ones), and 4 of the poscaps).

    Okay, thanks for responding.
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/25 23:45:57 (permalink)
    Yeah wondering about the capacitors, after seeing some stories today. 
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/26 18:25:37 (permalink)
    Jacob made a post about this, for those that haven't seen it: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs
    https://forums.evga.com/M...-POSCAPs-m3095238.aspx
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/27 15:25:52 (permalink)
    The fact that it is the same configuration is what gives me comfort about the FTW....  But, gosh, I wish we had some solid answers.

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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/27 16:06:04 (permalink)
    Yea both FTW are identical except   clocks
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/27 16:08:22 (permalink)
    Really want one of these ones.


     
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    Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra - What's different? 2020/09/27 17:03:35 (permalink)
    Waterblocks already being released soon? I have never watercooled my graphics card, but was considering it this iteration with my new build. Always liked the look/performance I have seen from others.


     
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