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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/07/10 06:39:10 (permalink)
I can say after using Gelid Extreme thermal pads, my temps are now 1-2C better than stock. (88C @118mh, 72c in Unigine Heaven)(Fans at 85%) Had to fiddle around with the sizes, but remember.. if you do go to change the thermal pads don't touch anything but the memory. The vrm and other components are just fine reusing the putty and luckily with an ftw3 card you can verify that by looking at all the temps. So when I changed my card over to a hybrid, I did 2 mm plus 0.5 mm on the memory and that did the trick.

Here's what my ghetto setup looks like. Noctuas and heatsinks scattered all over the back plate.. thanks EVGA! 🤦🏼‍♂️👍🏻

https://i.imgur.com/Qb7QGRa.jpg
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/07/14 06:11:44 (permalink)
I have the same cpu/gpu 5950x & 3090 ftw3u, I went with ek's block and used 10 W/mK thermal putty from digikey's website paired with thermalright odyssey pads 12.8 W/mK and thermal grizzly kryonaut paste for the gpu. I wrnt from evga's stock air cooler for the 3090 to the 3080/3090 quantum vector block

Following Jufes tutorial fron the youtube channel "Frame Chasers" I only applied the thermal putty to the memory chips for my initial install and pads on top for the purpose of filling in the spaces between the chips and the putty forms around the edge of the chiplets and gives superior transfer of heat compared to just thermal pads. The thermalright pads are close to the same firmness as the blue ek pads(~3.5 W/mK) so I had zero issues during installation.

While I wait for the active backplate to come (sept) I am using ek's backplate for now with the stock evga thermal pads which I compressed before the install along with the blue ek pads that came with the backplate. I will use the same process for memory chips on the backside as I did for the front(die) side.

The results I've achieved are surprisingly good, really good actually. I'll post some pics below, the quick miner screen from nicehash corresponds with HWInfo, just an fyi.

Gaming @ 4k my temps are between 45°C - 52°C for the gpu while my VRM's and memory run cooler than mining. I couldn't be happier with my results and I'm excited to install my active backplate.

I hope all this information helps someone out and answers some of the unknowns that are out there in regards to ekwb block install. If you want a parts list of my build let me know.

Ambient temperature in my pc room is around 24°C - 26°C

My build, products used and a quick view of results:

Edit** my links to pictures were taken out of my post? I'm new to posting so I'm not sure why, any help is appreciated so I can share the pictures.
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Temps with mining with stock air cooler: GPU - 42°C
MEM - 90-96°C

Temps after ekblock install:
GPU - 35°C
MEM - 64°C
post edited by CBSloth - 2021/07/14 06:16:09
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/07/14 06:18:28 (permalink)
Why can't I share Imgur links to my pictures for my previous post? Is there a way I can show my pictures?
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/07/14 06:24:56 (permalink)
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Why can't I share Imgur links to my pictures for my previous post? Is there a way I can show my pictures?

You can't post links until you have 30 post.
 
https://forums.evga.com/Ultimate-SelfStarter-Thread-For-New-Members-m2966554.aspx
post edited by kram36 - 2021/07/14 06:26:27
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/07/14 07:26:48 (permalink)
Oh ok thanks.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/07/14 13:46:01 (permalink)
Following this thread very closely as I've been thinking of replacing the thermal pads, but seeing that stock numbers look better.
 
CBSloth
I went with ek's block

 
Is this the EK-Quantum Vector water block? I've been looking into this product as well. If so, which radiator did you pair with it?
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/07/14 13:47:09 (permalink)
Don't do it bro. Not worth the headache.

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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/07/14 13:57:16 (permalink)
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Don't do it bro. Not worth the headache.



Assuming you mean the thermal pads aren't worth it? Leaning more towards the water block + active backplate route.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/07/14 15:47:26 (permalink)
Yes it's the 3080/3090 ftw3 quantum vector nickel/acetal block.

Radiators are EK 360 PE and a EK 360 XE.

I cannot post links yet but my Imgur profile is aardougjess is you can find me on there you'll see my pictures I was trying to share on here.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/07/18 23:11:36 (permalink)
I noticed everyone is putting the heatsinks directly on the backplate and not over mlcc / poscap capacitors.  In a guide somewhere else someone put a single, larger sized heatsink across the entire back side.  This would put more heat over top of the mlcc / poscap that previously was not there.  Is that an issue for the capacitors to have that heat over them or would that be acceptable operating conditions for the capacitors?
post edited by ngaugler - 2021/07/18 23:13:49
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/07/19 01:03:26 (permalink)
But doesn't it void warranty if you replace the thermal pad and paste yourself? (unless you are Tech Jesus ofc)
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/07/19 02:22:34 (permalink)
They probably have them above the memory/gpu silicon because they're mining. When mining theyre not drawing as much power so It's my understanding maybe that theyre more worried about bringing their memory temps down.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/08/03 07:50:46 (permalink)
Hey guys,
 
I want to sell my FT3 3090 and need to rebuild it to the original Cooler. What Pads would I need to buy to make it "stock" again?!
Seems like a real hassle to do this...
 
Thanks
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hi 2021/08/04 10:45:25 (permalink)
keep up the good work
post edited by dudeman1st - 2021/12/01 14:37:11
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/08/09 00:34:12 (permalink)
Very interesting feedback.
But you use a heatsink on the backplate ?
So your temperature cannot be compared....
So i used Grizzly Extreme, and i have 108/110 during mining (the room is at 26°C)
 
I contacted EVGA, to get a replacement pad, because i don't know what can i do ??
 
I didn't find AIYUNNI  in Europe.


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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/08/09 04:25:21 (permalink)
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I replaced all of them by gelid, and i come back to 110 


Glid extreme is a thermal paste, and will not work for the mosfets and vram (because it won't fill in the gasp). You need to get the thermal putty.
 
The GPU die will work perfectly fine with glid.




Ok thanks
i need to find it.
 
Do you have a picture ? I want to be sure i don't want to do a misstake.
 
post edited by ordimans - 2021/08/09 06:04:13
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/08/09 10:22:36 (permalink)
That is a terrifying sight for me, to see the card opened up and exposed...I would be way too nervous that I would screw something up. Kudos to you guys with the skills to handle it!
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/08/09 10:23:14 (permalink)
thermal putty is out of stock everywhere
is there a similar brand ?


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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/08/11 09:30:15 (permalink)
lophilip
This has been posted on another message, so this is repeat:

For EVGA 3090 FTW:
Do not use thermal pads, they do not perform as well as the stock thermal putty that EVGA uses. I tried various thermal pads (over $100 worth) and I could not get better memory junction temperatures then stock. You must use thermal putty.

This is what I used TG-PP10-50 (if you are American, use digikey.com web site to buy. I used digikey.ca to buy):



It's expensive, but it works way better then thermal pads. You will need lots, it took 20g just to do the backplate. If you're redoing the entire card order 50g (maybe even 100g).

For the GPU use a good thermal paste, like noctula.

Edit:
for some reason I can't post a URL link to digikey. I will post picture.


I tested CK5 Pro in thermal putty
 
and Gelid extreme
 
Like that on VRM :
Not better.... 
 
 
 
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/08/11 16:58:16 (permalink)
It would terrify me to open up my gpu like this.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/08/19 21:26:32 (permalink)
Thoughts on the TG-A1250 thermal pad from T-Global?  Take a look at the datasheet on their website
post edited by CB722 - 2021/08/19 21:27:33
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/08/20 01:49:58 (permalink)
Hey guys, 
 
I am instaling a Bykski combo waterblock and active backplate on a 3090 FTW3, I would like to use the putty "TG-PP10-50" but it's out of stock in Europe. I cannot find it anywhere.
Can someone link me to a website when I can order it ? even from the US digikey link seem to not work for me only europe version works and are out of stock.

 

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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/08/20 05:51:00 (permalink)
mikeonex
Hey guys, 
 
I am instaling a Bykski combo waterblock and active backplate on a 3090 FTW3, I would like to use the putty "TG-PP10-50" but it's out of stock in Europe. I cannot find it anywhere.
Can someone link me to a website when I can order it ? even from the US digikey link seem to not work for me only europe version works and are out of stock



I finally found in Europe, just 30cc.
PM me, i can forward one if you need;


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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/08/22 14:20:33 (permalink)
I would like to try these "Alphacool Rise Ultra Soft" (7W) Pads
https://www.alphacool.com/shop/thermal-compound-adhesive/heat-conduction-pads/
 
According to Igor´s Test on Youtube, these pads are better than Gelid Extreme (12W).
The heat transfer resistance of the Gelid Extreme is probably too high (what is meant is NOT the thermal conductivity)
 
Please, how many pads (in cm²) per thickness do I need?
Or are there exact dimensions of the individual pads, like here (for the 3080 FE)?
https://abload.de/img/padsfor3080fehgkjs.png
 
post edited by Dwayne_Johnson - 2021/08/22 14:22:45
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/08/29 14:58:40 (permalink)
I picked up where the OP left off on this today. I had an Optimus block on my ftw3 3090 and needed to return it to stock today. I have a strix that is a much better overclocker that is replacing it now that I have another Optimus block.

Anyways, I've repadded several 3080s/3090s already and I use calipers to measure factory pads before replacing. Memory is 1.9mm-2.1mm with an average of 2mm. This includes backside, no difference. Always measuring the thickest part of each pad. Vrms are 2-2.3mm with an average of 2.2mm for the thickest parts. I suspect the vrms were the OPs problem.

I use thermalright oddessy 12.6wmk pads, these work great but are stiff and don't like to squish so you cannot use measurements for squishy pads.

For my repad I used 2mm on the front and back mem, 2mm on the vrms, and 1mm on the mosfets. For the VRMs you MUST use a bead of thermal paste or even better if you have thermal putty. You will not get good vrm contact if you don't do this. I used arctic mx4 for this. A 2.5mm pad is too thick. The paste fills the tiniest gap you'll have. This also let's the mosfets make contact with the pad unlike the OP where they have a gap. Core was pasted with TG kryonaut.

I'm still testing but results are great so far. Looping heaven in my open air testbench with the xc3 bios and power sliders maxed(~520w)core temps top out at 70c, mem junction 78c. Hottest vrm reading is 69c. Mining eth tops out mem junction at 92c. I can easily drop this 10c by pointing a fan at the backplate.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/08/31 04:20:57 (permalink)
Hey, I'm just wondering what version 3090 ftw3u you had. I'm currently waiting for a replacement 3090 ftw3u due to an unbalanced power delivery on the early version card(nov 2020) I'm rmaing which had me pulling 85+W through my mobo pcie slot. With the 500W xoc bios I was only able to reach 448W max board power draw.

Did you go through the rma process for one of the newer revisions of the card or did you purchase a 3090 more recently?
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/09/05 13:10:19 (permalink)
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I picked up where the OP left off on this today. I had an Optimus block on my ftw3 3090 and needed to return it to stock today. I have a strix that is a much better overclocker that is replacing it now that I have another Optimus block.

Anyways, I've repadded several 3080s/3090s already and I use calipers to measure factory pads before replacing. Memory is 1.9mm-2.1mm with an average of 2mm. This includes backside, no difference. Always measuring the thickest part of each pad. Vrms are 2-2.3mm with an average of 2.2mm for the thickest parts. I suspect the vrms were the OPs problem.

I use thermalright oddessy 12.6wmk pads, these work great but are stiff and don't like to squish so you cannot use measurements for squishy pads.

For my repad I used 2mm on the front and back mem, 2mm on the vrms, and 1mm on the mosfets. For the VRMs you MUST use a bead of thermal paste or even better if you have thermal putty. You will not get good vrm contact if you don't do this. I used arctic mx4 for this. A 2.5mm pad is too thick. The paste fills the tiniest gap you'll have. This also let's the mosfets make contact with the pad unlike the OP where they have a gap. Core was pasted with TG kryonaut.

I'm still testing but results are great so far. Looping heaven in my open air testbench with the xc3 bios and power sliders maxed(~520w)core temps top out at 70c, mem junction 78c. Hottest vrm reading is 69c. Mining eth tops out mem junction at 92c. I can easily drop this 10c by pointing a fan at the backplate.



Hello bro
 
Can you share a picture ?


I put thermal putty from TT Global on VRM
ANd i used gelid extreme for others, but i am at 108C during mining (with hybrid kit)....
 
On the backplate, should i use thermal putty too ?
 
lophilip
This has been posted on another message, so this is repeat:

For EVGA 3090 FTW:
Do not use thermal pads, they do not perform as well as the stock thermal putty that EVGA uses. I tried various thermal pads (over $100 worth) and I could not get better memory junction temperatures then stock. You must use thermal putty.

This is what I used TG-PP10-50 (if you are American, use digikey.com web site to buy. I used digikey.ca to buy):



It's expensive, but it works way better then thermal pads. You will need lots, it took 20g just to do the backplate. If you're redoing the entire card order 50g (maybe even 100g).

For the GPU use a good thermal paste, like noctula.

Edit:
for some reason I can't post a URL link to digikey. I will post picture.





I received thermal putty but it didn't work here with Hybrid Kit.
108/110C for Memory Junction
post edited by ordimans - 2021/09/05 13:12:16
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/09/06 07:44:40 (permalink)
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Hey, I'm just wondering what version 3090 ftw3u you had. I'm currently waiting for a replacement 3090 ftw3u due to an unbalanced power delivery on the early version card(nov 2020) I'm rmaing which had me pulling 85+W through my mobo pcie slot. With the 500W xoc bios I was only able to reach 448W max board power draw.

Did you go through the rma process for one of the newer revisions of the card or did you purchase a 3090 more recently?

 
This is an RMA card, I think I did it back in February of this year. I also had a Nov 2020 card for my original. Fan controller broke on the original right before my block came. Serial on the new one starts with 2114.
 
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I picked up where the OP left off on this today. I had an Optimus block on my ftw3 3090 and needed to return it to stock today. I have a strix that is a much better overclocker that is replacing it now that I have another Optimus block.

Anyways, I've repadded several 3080s/3090s already and I use calipers to measure factory pads before replacing. Memory is 1.9mm-2.1mm with an average of 2mm. This includes backside, no difference. Always measuring the thickest part of each pad. Vrms are 2-2.3mm with an average of 2.2mm for the thickest parts. I suspect the vrms were the OPs problem.

I use thermalright oddessy 12.6wmk pads, these work great but are stiff and don't like to squish so you cannot use measurements for squishy pads.

For my repad I used 2mm on the front and back mem, 2mm on the vrms, and 1mm on the mosfets. For the VRMs you MUST use a bead of thermal paste or even better if you have thermal putty. You will not get good vrm contact if you don't do this. I used arctic mx4 for this. A 2.5mm pad is too thick. The paste fills the tiniest gap you'll have. This also let's the mosfets make contact with the pad unlike the OP where they have a gap. Core was pasted with TG kryonaut.

I'm still testing but results are great so far. Looping heaven in my open air testbench with the xc3 bios and power sliders maxed(~520w)core temps top out at 70c, mem junction 78c. Hottest vrm reading is 69c. Mining eth tops out mem junction at 92c. I can easily drop this 10c by pointing a fan at the backplate.



Hello bro
 
Can you share a picture ?


I put thermal putty from TT Global on VRM
ANd i used gelid extreme for others, but i am at 108C during mining (with hybrid kit)....
 
On the backplate, should i use thermal putty too ?

Sure. I didn't use putty on the backplate or anywhere else. Just the 2mm and 1mm thermalright pads and that bead of arctic MX4 over the VRM pads.
 

 
Not the best pic but there isn't much squish on that VRM pad. 

 
One of my mining rigs, GPU #3 is this one. 90F ambient, fan blowing directly at the backplate. GPU 1 an 2 are stock, GPU 0 was a repad that needs to get redone. Mem temps are good but core contact isn't great so its 10C hotter than the others. 
 

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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/09/07 09:38:05 (permalink)
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Hey, I'm just wondering what version 3090 ftw3u you had. I'm currently waiting for a replacement 3090 ftw3u due to an unbalanced power delivery on the early version card(nov 2020) I'm rmaing which had me pulling 85+W through my mobo pcie slot. With the 500W xoc bios I was only able to reach 448W max board power draw.

Did you go through the rma process for one of the newer revisions of the card or did you purchase a 3090 more recently?

 
This is an RMA card, I think I did it back in February of this year. I also had a Nov 2020 card for my original. Fan controller broke on the original right before my block came. Serial on the new one starts with 2114.
 
ordimans
edgeofsanity
I picked up where the OP left off on this today. I had an Optimus block on my ftw3 3090 and needed to return it to stock today. I have a strix that is a much better overclocker that is replacing it now that I have another Optimus block.

Anyways, I've repadded several 3080s/3090s already and I use calipers to measure factory pads before replacing. Memory is 1.9mm-2.1mm with an average of 2mm. This includes backside, no difference. Always measuring the thickest part of each pad. Vrms are 2-2.3mm with an average of 2.2mm for the thickest parts. I suspect the vrms were the OPs problem.

I use thermalright oddessy 12.6wmk pads, these work great but are stiff and don't like to squish so you cannot use measurements for squishy pads.

For my repad I used 2mm on the front and back mem, 2mm on the vrms, and 1mm on the mosfets. For the VRMs you MUST use a bead of thermal paste or even better if you have thermal putty. You will not get good vrm contact if you don't do this. I used arctic mx4 for this. A 2.5mm pad is too thick. The paste fills the tiniest gap you'll have. This also let's the mosfets make contact with the pad unlike the OP where they have a gap. Core was pasted with TG kryonaut.

I'm still testing but results are great so far. Looping heaven in my open air testbench with the xc3 bios and power sliders maxed(~520w)core temps top out at 70c, mem junction 78c. Hottest vrm reading is 69c. Mining eth tops out mem junction at 92c. I can easily drop this 10c by pointing a fan at the backplate.



Hello bro
 
Can you share a picture ?


I put thermal putty from TT Global on VRM
ANd i used gelid extreme for others, but i am at 108C during mining (with hybrid kit)....
 
On the backplate, should i use thermal putty too ?

Sure. I didn't use putty on the backplate or anywhere else. Just the 2mm and 1mm thermalright pads and that bead of arctic MX4 over the VRM pads.
 

 
Not the best pic but there isn't much squish on that VRM pad. 

 
One of my mining rigs, GPU #3 is this one. 90F ambient, fan blowing directly at the backplate. GPU 1 an 2 are stock, GPU 0 was a repad that needs to get redone. Mem temps are good but core contact isn't great so its 10C hotter than the others. 
 





Wahoo
 
No pad no putty on backplate ?
 
But you have airflow
Maybe i should test to put air back, than hybrid kit.


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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ultra Thermal Pad and Paste Findings 2021/09/07 15:59:47 (permalink)
I come back to the FTW3 cooler,
Use thermal putty from TTGlobal, Gelid for the others.
I launched the miner, and it's already at 100°C, it's not possible.
I have a ****ing problem....
 
There is a good way and wrong way for the gelid ?
Maybe i can try Thermaltake...
 
Honestly, i thought it was a problem with hybrid kit.
But i think i have not the good method.


 
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