kevinc313
Vulcan - yeah the 3090 is pretty overpriced but I feel like the 3080 is a pretty good deal.

It is a great deal if you didn't upgrade to the 2080 Ti. It's a fantastic deal. 
 
Problem is, from 2080 Ti there is no viable upgrade path. 
 
$700 before waterblock and tax for 15% at 1440p isn't a bargain. 

cneuhauser

SAMOEDADDY
For me it comes down to whether or not you want to spend the money. I personally do not mind spending the extra for a little performance. I think there will be newer games out that will probably widen those gaps at some point. 
 
The argument of a 3090 or a 3080 is like should I buy a GT350 or a GT350R? They are basically the same car except a few minor changes, yet some will pay the money and some won't. 

Same with the 3080... pretty sure with some voltage tweaks and precision overclocking I can get a FTW3 to pounce on a 3090. I do get it though... you're all about "horsepower", but doesn't mean a dang thing if you can't put rubber to the road. Speaking of which, are stangs still using live axels? roflmao As you can tell I'm not a big fan of that platform, it has no real purpose... 

Highly doubtful! The 3090 has a higher ceiling with its 20% more CUDA cores, so you'll have to o/c by roughly that amount simply to match the stock 3090, and that doesn't even consider the silicon lottery which is guaranteed to be in favor of the 3090. In other words, you'll need to o/c a 3080 to 2050MHz just to match a 3090 or push 2200MHz to "pounce" it, which I'll leave to you to figure out. 
 
If performance is that important to you, why not end the debate and o/c a 3090 to 2000MHz, or more?  I'm betting that'll be a fair deal easier than pushing a 3080 to 2200MHz.  

It’s a lot for the card but it’s also the card that will probably last over a generation. It could be four to six years a 3090 would still be a great card.

LOL people ranting about how Nvidia is doomed. Yeah even if 30 series was a dumpster fire, which it isn't... they have a market cap of ~300 billion.

I sold my 2080 Ti for $1200, if I can ever actually get a 3080, I can get a PS5 on top of it for the same price.

Hoggle
It’s a lot for the card but it’s also the card that will probably last over a generation. It could be four to six years a 3090 would still be a great card.

Prediction: 
 
NV will be forced to develop 5nm Hopper next year after AMD upsets the GPU market this year. 
 
Upsetting the GPU market: 
 
A $1000 GPU that is faster than the 3080 with 16GB of video memory (Navi 21, 80 CU) @ 300w that runs all of the next gen console ports anywhere from 25-35% (or more) faster because the console port engines were built from the ground up around RDNA 2 and Nvidia will then need to come in after the fact with their own version of path tracing, AI super-sampling and rapid storage retrieval GPU pipeline (RTX IO) facilitated through the driver and we know how efficient that looks right now (compare anything to Vulkan, i.e. Red Dead Redemption 2 where Vulkan is 10% faster than DX12).
 
Also, said consoles will have path tracing and AI supersampling and will be native to the engines developed around RDNA 2. 
 
Basically what I'm talking about is something as fast or faster than the 3090 for $1000 (in console ports) in November. 
 
If that happens, and Nvidia has their Comet Lake moment where people just stop buying iterative garbage because the competitor has a better product, well, we will see Hopper next year and Hopper on 5nm will completely blow 8nm EUV Ampere out of the water. 
 
It will be Nvidia's come back moment. 
 
I don't recommend anyone buy a 30 series card until we see what Big Navi looks like. 
 
If you absolutely must buy an Nvidia card (G-Sync panel like I have with my AW3418DW) if you wait until Nov Nvidia may actually release a 16-20GB full GA-102-300 die (not cut down) card for $1000 in response to a 6900xt that is faster than the 3080. 

They will be forced to. 
 
Think about it. 
 
They can't squeeze anything in between GA-102-200 and GA-102-300 because there is only a ~15% difference there. 
 
They will be forced to put a "3080 Super" or "3080 Ti" up on offer in response and that's fine BECAUSE THE 3090 IS RIDICULOUSLY OVER-PRICED. 
 
The profit margin on this must be astronomical. Especially the AIB variants that don't have a $180 cooler (Igor's Lab estimates the 3080 FE cooler is $155, how much do you think the 25% larger 3090 cooler costs?). 
 
This is price-gouging iterative garbage at it's finest. 
 
DO NOT BUY THIS GARBAGE. 
 
EVEN IF YOURE IN THE MARKET FOR THE 3080 WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER OR YOU WILL REGRET IT. 
 
NV can't squeeze a card in between the 3080 and 3090 and they will have to release a card that performs as fast as 6900xt if 6900xt winds up being faster than the 3080. 
 
Here's how Navi 21 is shaping up: https://youtu.be/dChKb3LG38s?t=718
 
Relevant comparison to Quadro 6000. 
 
 

ty_ger07
RTX 3090: Is it worth it?

https://youtu.be/UmafIrSFSNg



Testing whether boost is primarily limited by temperature or power. Good stuff.

Point being.. dont buy that card with the tiny power limit!

sirien
Frame chasers took the #8 spot on port royal with a shunt modded 3080 on air,
 
I wonder why the 3090 is clocking so low, it must still be power limited beyond belief

Yeah here's his top score, not sure it's with his AC box thing, but if he's got the power cranked it much be to average 55C.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/324291
 
Not much better than Jayz (FE with AC) or GN (FTW3 400w free air).  Jay's run is almost 20C cooler and holding very similar clocks:
 
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/321133
 
Hmm.

ty_ger07
RTX 3090: Is water cooing worth it?

https://youtu.be/UmafIrSFSNg



Testing whether boost is primarily limited by temperature or power. Good stuff.

This isn't news. 
 
vmanuelgm put his shunted 3090 under a water block and it was still only 20% faster that 2080 Ti @ 1440p in Red Dead Redemption 2 at the same power draw. Load temps of 50-60c. 
 
Shunted 3090 under water block, 60C load temps (peak, average 50C): 80 FPS average in benchmark @ 4K
Overclocked 2080 Ti under full water block @ 375w: 60 FPS average at 4K
 
Deduct 10% because of shunt creating 10% overclock over 390w = 23%
 
Deduct another 10% for performance at 1440p = 13% (oh hey, I did this math 2 days before the reviews came out showing that hey, the 3090 is only 14% faster than 2080 Ti at 1440p at the same power draw, see below!)
 
Sure, if you run a 3090 @ 550w under full water block it will be 33% faster at 4K and 23% faster at 1440p vs 2080 Ti at only 375w!
 
Golf clap? 
 
This is garbage. 

Wow thats crazy that they charge that much more for that difference

The 2080 Ti ---> Titan RTX was $1200 ---> $2500. If the 3090 is $1500, what will the Titan RTX cost? Over $3k?

Really looking forward to seeing some VR focused reviews.  Everyone rushes out the benchmarks and it seems to take a few weeks to hear much on real VR gameplay reviews on new cards.

We have to hope that drivers increase the difference over time.  Something needs to justify the huge delta between the two....

Am i the only one really happy about the the benchmarks for the 3090? In a few years, trying to run Elder Scrolls 6, every single frame will be a godsend.
I also plan on re-playing a lot of these games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Witcher 3 with the 3090. It looks like an extra 15-20 frames can be had in 4K?
To me, that's huge! 

Ah, mooncheese/vulcan is back crapping up threads with his "muh Ngreedia!" and "Muh garbage!".  Awesome.
 
The 3090 isn't garbage, it's just not everyone's cup of tea.  Freedom is scary to some people, especially if they're neurotic.