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2022/05/21 12:30:08 (permalink)
Got a bit of an odd issue.
 
When running 3dmark TimeSpy Ultra stress test if I adjust the power target above 100% I can never complete all 20 loops (no matter which bios I use on the card).
 
In all instances the driver fails (but there is no blue screen, 3dmark just stops the test and reports a 0% score):
 
LKD_0x141_Tdr:6_IMAGE_nvlddmkm.sys_Ampere
 
Note that NO CLOCKS ARE CHANGED (I haven't "overclocked" in a very loooong time, I just adjust the power target as high as it will go...I water cool and the cards boost themselves) 
 
If I leave the power target at 100%, I pass all 20 loops, all the time with usually a 99.1% score.
 
I have the latest bios for my motherboard (and no, I do NOT have the infamous cap issue, I checked), latest vga bios, latest driver (yes, I used DDU in safe mode)(this was occurring on previous driver too), Windows 11 installed (this occurred on windows 10 as well).
 
I actually do not need the power limit upped from what I can tell, but I am concerned that the card might be faulty. 
 
Basically with the power limit at 100% the card does not draw over 400 watts, it appears that anything over this crashes the driver.
I do have new power supply (Seasonic Prime  1300 platinum), so I cannot rule that out, but this does not seem like a psu issue.
 
Any advice or insight is appreciated. 
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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 14:07:43 (permalink)
    Ever try reinstalling 3dmark or just reinstalling timespy?

    This happen on any orher 3dmark bench?? Firestrike or port royal?

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 14:08:47 (permalink)
    its gets more weird.
     
    I tried a +135 (was boosting as high as 1935, so that is why I chose this value) with staying at 100% power limit...stress test failed again, not really a surprise.
     
    Then I tried +135 and maxed out the slider (113%) and to my amazement, stress test completed and boosted as high as 2070 mhz...****? This is the first time the card has completed the stress test at anything over 100% power limit. Power draw stayed between 397 - 410 watts (all values eyeballed via nvidia overlay)
     
    I'll run it again, but this is such odd behavior. If I can can get a good overclock, perhaps my earlier concerns were misplaced and I just need to find the sweet spot for this chip...of course stability is the priority. 

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 14:10:13 (permalink)
    Also.. no idea what motherboard your using.. but does it have the extra power source for the pcie slots? 4 pin molex or 6 pin extra pcie connector so the board can deliver 60 watts to the pcie slots?

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 14:10:19 (permalink)
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    Ever try reinstalling 3dmark or just reinstalling timespy?

    This happen on any orher 3dmark bench?? Firestrike or port royal?

    I did reinstall, neglected to mention that :) 
     
    Will try those others and report back, was trying to get stable on a single bench before moving on (but I do see the value in attempting those others) 
     

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 14:11:12 (permalink)
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    Also.. no idea what motherboard your using.. but does it have the extra power source for the pcie slots? 4 pin molex or 6 pin extra pcie connector so the board can deliver 60 watts to the pcie slots?

    Yes sir, z690 hero, extra power cord plugged in (had to read the manual to see what that header was for) 

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 14:13:41 (permalink)
    Also do you have https://www.hwinfo.com/ installed to see what the power and temps look like.. can see 3v/5v/12v as well as all the sensors on the card.

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 14:14:58 (permalink)
    Nixe.. cpu? Defaults for the cpu to make sure it's not that?

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 16:57:35 (permalink)
    I should probably list my system specs :) :
     
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    I tried Port Royal stress test with overlock and it failed, but this time with the "LKD_0x141_Tdr:6_IMAGE_nvlddmkm.sys_useroc" message.
     
    Then I tried stock and it passed.
     
    Actually, since this appears to be working at stock...I (should) have no complaints. Though I'd prefer a better outcome, the promised performance is there.
     
    Furthermore, I am glad the driver crashes rather than pull power it does not need, nor can use...this is a good thing. Just because this behavior doesn't align with my habit/preferences does not mean it is "bad". I am thankful EVGA had this card at msrp...I logged on, and convinced myself to buy it...that easy. 
    Worth noting that this is replacing a 3080 FTW3 Ultra (aftermarket water-cooled), so maybe I am looking for purchase validation (the 3080 ftw 3 replaced my 2080ti that is being gifted along with a system to nephew for good grades...he still pays around $600 for all of it, but he is getting steal) 
     
    I am still seeing boosts of up to 1935mhz at stock at right around 400 watts. 
     
    Currently running Firestrike extreme stress test at stock and plan on running memtest overnight (to rule out ram issues....this is built into asus bios, might as well)

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 17:04:14 (permalink)
    Update: Firestrike extreme stress test passed at stock.
     
    Meh, I don't think RMA would even be worth it. I mean I do have qdc, so it would be easy to remove the card, but really...I'm not going to rma something that works but does not meet my preference (not cool). This will be replaced by next gen soon anyways. That said if I notice any weird stuff at stock, yes I would request rma. 
     
    I have a 3 year warranty, perhaps I should play some damn games and see how it performs. I am expecting much better lows, any higher average frame rates would be a bonus. 
     
     
     
     

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 19:09:12 (permalink)
    Guess I spoke too soon. About 2.5 hours into playing Elex 2, I got a crash at stock settings: LKD_0x141_Tdr:6_IMAGE_nvlddmkm.sys_Ampere.
     
    Currently running occt power test (with power at 113% for gpu). So far pulling ~ 650 watts, half of psu capacity.
     
    Before I go to bed, will set memtest to run.
     
    If both test pass, I guess it is rma time :( 

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 19:10:14 (permalink)
    Yes game on it at defaults and see what's up!

    I'm sure your nephew is thrilled! Been there in the past haha.. done the same. ;)

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 19:12:00 (permalink)
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    Guess I spoke too soon. About 2.5 hours into playing Elex 2, I got a crash at stock settings: LKD_0x141_Tdr:6_IMAGE_nvlddmkm.sys_Ampere.
     
    Currently running occt power test (with power at 113% for gpu). So far pulling ~ 650 watts, half of psu capacity.
     
    Before I go to bed, will set memtest to run.
     
    If both test pass, I guess it is rma time :( 


    :/ yeah if the card can't do defaults rma time. (

    Hope ya get a new card in return.. has it been 14 days since purchase?

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 20:14:24 (permalink)
    I ordered it 05/09/2022, so 12 days...does that matter?
     
    The Power test results were interesting:
     
    1- (113%): failed 20 minutes in: LKD_0x141_Tdr:6_IMAGE_nvlddmkm.sys_Ampere
    2 - stock failed 35 minutes in, dwm & crash (which can be linked to vga drivers)
     
    I would think that if it was the psu, there would be no log entry...but I haven't had a psu failure in 5 years or so. 
     
    I'm now onto memtest. 
     
    I *might* try and reinstall windows 11 (clean) as a last resort...I could also try moving the 3080 back into this system and see what happens (thank you, koolance, for qdc are a blessing). 
     
    Could this be transient power spike issue? Highly doubtful, but at this point grasping at straws.

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 20:18:30 (permalink)
    Whatever it is.. get the trouble ticket going now.. right now. Cause after 14 days they will give you a refurbished card.

    If you ordered from evga, you only have a 14 day return policy.

    So start it now while ya can.. keep working on it but. In the mean time hopefully they can start the exchange now.. with a new card.

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 20:19:33 (permalink)
    Cross ship the new card.. so no charge to you as rheybcan include a return label for the current card.

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 20:20:17 (permalink)
    Update, memtest has throw an error (already), test 7, cpu 14. 
     
    Despite my careful planning, the pc gods have seen fit to bless me with faulty ram.
     
    The description states the ram is at 4800 mhz; if this is the case it failed BELOW SPECS (well, XMP specs, that is).
     

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 20:52:38 (permalink)
    Yeah I ordered from EVGA.
    Okay support ticket entered, but it seems I cannot complete the RMA as it requires a support ticket number (which I do not yet have)

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 21:43:12 (permalink)
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    Yeah I ordered from EVGA.
    Okay support ticket entered, but it seems I cannot complete the RMA as it requires a support ticket number (which I do not yet have)


    Weekend so assuming wait till Monday for a response.

    If it is a mem issue.. test one stick at a time.to narrow it down if it is one of them.

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 22:12:53 (permalink)
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    Yeah I ordered from EVGA.
    Okay support ticket entered, but it seems I cannot complete the RMA as it requires a support ticket number (which I do not yet have)


    Weekend so assuming wait till Monday for a response.

    If it is a mem issue.. test one stick at a time.to narrow it down if it is one of them.

    Oh for sure.
     
    I did drop speed to jedec spec (4800mhz) and run again, it passed, so I left it at that speed.
     
    Then I ran Timespy extreme stress test maxing the power slider out again...it passed all 20 loops, currently running port royal stress test.
     
    Lets say it is the ram...why would the power slider in x1 be a constant? I cannot wrap my head around that.  

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/21 22:23:09 (permalink)
    Okay port royal passed all 20 loops.
     
    I put ram back in xmp 2, fired up mem test and boom! error on test 8.
     
    I'll test the sticks separately tomorrow. 
     
     

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/22 05:11:41 (permalink)
    Nice.. strange stuff.

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/22 09:21:31 (permalink)
    God I'm an idiot.
     
    I selected the WRONG XMP PROFILE. I should have been using 1 not 2.
    XMP profile 2 is not "Asus optimized".  once I switched to that profile: no memtest errors, no 3d crashes in any stress test. I realize now that memtest runs at the configured speed/setting buts only reports jedec speeds via spd.
     
    I am on  roll today though, I figured out a nagging WMI process fatal error (Acronis need an update) and partially resolved a Corsair icue software thing.
     
    Now I'm off to run dism and sfc...I did an inplace Windows upgrade with improperly configured ram...
     
    Thanks for your help!
     
     

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    Re: 3080 ti Hydro Copper ftw3 ultra odd behavior (precision x1 power target over 100%) 2022/05/22 10:19:45 (permalink)
    Awesome!

    I have the same ram and the Asus Extreme mb.. Was going to compare bios settings soon if ya still had issues.. would of noticed that right away haha.

    Hopefully you can start gaming finally! Haha

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