youcanteatthat
i’m not sure where the surprise comes from.
the only people this concerns are people who just want the best at all times. and for those people budget is not the issue. in fact none of what was mention in the OP is. i welcome any new and better skus and as soon as there’s something better than the 3090, i’ll buy it immediately too.

other than that, you’re left with a product that you feel is inferior because something new has come out and made it obsolete? welcome to the world of computers, where you can spend half the year deciding what cpu and motherboard to buy based off reviews, wait for availability, and then 6 months later intel releases the next gen. i mean, the 7700k is now considered too poor to be used with today’s GPUs. they’re not snubbing you, they’re innovating and pushing forward. be happy with what you have, not upset about what you don’t have.

Huntercyril
Yes ! In fact, if AMD comes back with a good Big Navi generation, that might even encourage Nvidia to faster release a Ti or Super or whatever version, to regain the performance side if AMD can give something close to the 3080 but cheaper (not by much but still) and also which has stock (though I'm less optimistic on that one).

youcanteatthat

Huntercyril

youcanteatthat
there’s no room for a 3080ti in performance gain between 3080 and 3090. the 3090 would be that performance gain. the only thing they can really do is offer the 3080 with more memory. they COULD offer a 3090ti because there’s room to move up for sure.

Of course there is room. Most likely 3080Ti will be next to the 3090 on performance and the 3090Ti will be higher than the 3090 obviously. That's always been that way, the Ti of a said model always come very close to the one higher tier model one but with price in between the non Ti and the higher non Ti card. For example, the 1070Ti was almost a 1080, but with a price difference in favor of the Ti by more than 200$ MSRP.  
 
 

the 3090 is getting about 10-15 fps more than the 3080 with a higher cuda count and way more ram. i guess if they want to put out out a card that gets 7-10 fps over a 3080, then.....go for it? you're gonna get that kind of swing in fps just with silicone lottery, power target between AIB's, or cpu choice anyway. i just don't see any room between the cards to really put a future refresh. HOWEVER, if they do offer a 3080 super with a higher power target and more ram, then THAT would be worth buying.
 
i think the only reason the 3080 had such a gain over the 2080ti was because they must've found out during development what the new AMD card was doing and turned it up as far as could be reliable enough to sell. that's why these cards have no headroom when overclocking.
 
we'll see

Cerulean_Shaman

youcanteatthat
i’m not sure where the surprise comes from.
the only people this concerns are people who just want the best at all times. and for those people budget is not the issue. in fact none of what was mention in the OP is. i welcome any new and better skus and as soon as there’s something better than the 3090, i’ll buy it immediately too.

other than that, you’re left with a product that you feel is inferior because something new has come out and made it obsolete? welcome to the world of computers, where you can spend half the year deciding what cpu and motherboard to buy based off reviews, wait for availability, and then 6 months later intel releases the next gen. i mean, the 7700k is now considered too poor to be used with today’s GPUs. they’re not snubbing you, they’re innovating and pushing forward. be happy with what you have, not upset about what you don’t have.

Aight cool we can close the thread now all the needed to be said has been said and no sarcasm there. This one gets it.

Cerulean_Shaman

youcanteatthat
i’m not sure where the surprise comes from.
the only people this concerns are people who just want the best at all times. and for those people budget is not the issue. in fact none of what was mention in the OP is. i welcome any new and better skus and as soon as there’s something better than the 3090, i’ll buy it immediately too.

other than that, you’re left with a product that you feel is inferior because something new has come out and made it obsolete? welcome to the world of computers, where you can spend half the year deciding what cpu and motherboard to buy based off reviews, wait for availability, and then 6 months later intel releases the next gen. i mean, the 7700k is now considered too poor to be used with today’s GPUs. they’re not snubbing you, they’re innovating and pushing forward. be happy with what you have, not upset about what you don’t have.

Aight cool we can close the thread now all the needed to be said has been said and no sarcasm there. This one gets it.

the_Scarlet_one
People really do need to learn how to follow trends..  
 
780 - 780ti
Titan - Titan Black
 
980 - 980ti
 
1080 - 1080ti
Titan X Pascal - Titan Xp Pascal
 
2080 - 2080 Super
 
3080 - Unknown title
 
Every year NVidia releases a card.  Sometimes they come sooner than later.  Its going to happen.  AMD does it as well, but they haven't been as quick about it, and they are usually overclocking the same card and calling it a new generation.
 
If you think that NVidia won't do this again, I can't wait to see the reaction of how NVidia is doing exactly the same thing they normally do.  This isn't new.  This isn't going to stop.  NVidia leaves room for growth on purpose.
 

Cerulean_Shaman

daford22

Cerulean_Shaman

youcanteatthat
i’m not sure where the surprise comes from.
the only people this concerns are people who just want the best at all times. and for those people budget is not the issue. in fact none of what was mention in the OP is. i welcome any new and better skus and as soon as there’s something better than the 3090, i’ll buy it immediately too.

other than that, you’re left with a product that you feel is inferior because something new has come out and made it obsolete? welcome to the world of computers, where you can spend half the year deciding what cpu and motherboard to buy based off reviews, wait for availability, and then 6 months later intel releases the next gen. i mean, the 7700k is now considered too poor to be used with today’s GPUs. they’re not snubbing you, they’re innovating and pushing forward. be happy with what you have, not upset about what you don’t have.

Aight cool we can close the thread now all the needed to be said has been said and no sarcasm there. This one gets it.

Cerulean_Shaman

youcanteatthat
i’m not sure where the surprise comes from.
the only people this concerns are people who just want the best at all times. and for those people budget is not the issue. in fact none of what was mention in the OP is. i welcome any new and better skus and as soon as there’s something better than the 3090, i’ll buy it immediately too.

other than that, you’re left with a product that you feel is inferior because something new has come out and made it obsolete? welcome to the world of computers, where you can spend half the year deciding what cpu and motherboard to buy based off reviews, wait for availability, and then 6 months later intel releases the next gen. i mean, the 7700k is now considered too poor to be used with today’s GPUs. they’re not snubbing you, they’re innovating and pushing forward. be happy with what you have, not upset about what you don’t have.

Aight cool we can close the thread now all the needed to be said has been said and no sarcasm there. This one gets it.

In general, I'd tend to agree.  In this case, not so much.
 
If the report is accurate, which I'm not saying it is, it wouldn't be innovation or pushing forward.  They didn't just discover the ability to put more ram on the board 3 months after release.  I'd expect and welcome super variants 6 months to a year out after initial release.  3 months feels unseemly to me.  To be perfectly frank, after the debacle this launch has been I'd be amazed if this report is actually accurate.  Why would you want to add more stress on your supply chain when you can't even keep up with what is currently on offer.

Well, you can also always count on a company to exploit a customer whenever they safely can, no exceptions. I love EVGA for what they did, but let's be honest here, it's more a business plan than any sense of altruism. Nvidia IS the dude in the oversized chair, twirling a ridiculous mustache while petting a grumpy cat. When Nvidia only had itself for competition, they literally do whatever they wanted and made us pay whatever they wanted us to pay. The 20xx shows that more clearly than anything ever will. Nvidia - and only Nvidia - decided that NOW WAS THE TIME FOR RAY TRACING. Meanwhile, while nvidia was gushing about RTX on and renaming their graphic card series to RTX, literally no games supported it or DLSS, and they wanted us to pay 3090 prices for laughable performance increases over the 1080ti for an experience that tanked FPS. Literal AI cores that had nothing to do. And, well... people did despite Jensen's complaints about an abysmal launch.
 
Nvidia does whatever it wants and then gets angry when people don't clap their hands and throws money at them - because that's what businesses, especially those that almost utterly control the market for a product - do. Amazon and Apple have been doing it forever. So, again, no one should be surprised Nvidia is doing this.
 
In all honesty, I'm hoping AMD continues to gain traction because simply having more options at the enthusiast level will be great, and I would love to see true feature competition and true innovation wars. The 20xx series should never ever apppen again, and this is how we got Ryzen - AMD gave up on quad core while Intel was trying to milk it dry and throwing out crumbles of innovation, then forced a high multicore CPUs to become the standard before Intel wanted, forcing THEM to play catch up, and now WE get a decent variety of multicore choices. If it wasn't for AMD, we'd probably still all be on Intel quad cores.
 
Dual competition is still terrible but I'll take what I can get. So, anyway, I don't know what you want us to do? Nvidia is going to release those cards if they can get away with it no matter what. Enjoy what you have or wait is literally all you can do, or I guess buy up if budget isn't a concern.