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2020/10/10 15:02:47 (permalink)
Nvidia snubbed 2080 early adopters by releasing a 2080 Super less than 1 year later.   2080 Ti stock was limited and sporadic at best all the way into the new year.  2080 improvements over 1080 were abysmal at best.  The 3080 release has been utterly awful for consumers and AIB manufacturers (we all blame Nvidia, not EVGA/Gigabyte/ASUS although EVGAs shopping cart solution is inadequate).  Nvidia has thrown in the towel and will no longer sell FE cards direct to consumers, giving way for Best Buy to take over.  We're not even a month into this mess and now there's already news a 3080 Super/Ti may come out in less than one year?   Am I the only one hoping AMD can be a formidable competitor to put Nvidia in their place?
 
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/10/09/nvidia-refreshing-geforce-rtx-30-series-on-tsmcs-7-nm-process/
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/10 15:10:24 (permalink)
    I mean it could also be that the reason why 3080 stocks are so crap is cause they are saving the chips for the 20gb cards or something similar.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/10 15:50:07 (permalink)
    I bought an evga 2080 super ftw3 for step up to a 3080 but I am enjoying it since the 2070 super it replaced seemed to have issues with one of my monitors.

    If by the time my step up is ready the 3080 super is announced I might see if I can step up to it. If not I will take my step up then sell it to buy a 3080 super one day.


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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/10 16:09:20 (permalink)
    Oh snap.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/10 17:26:12 (permalink)
    I think this will happen .

    I'd expect both a 3080ti and 3090ti next year and if its on 7nm it will likely be a large jump from the current cards.

    Ampere was originally announced as a 7nm gpu. I wonder if the current samsung 8nm chips are a backport of sorts? That would explain the need for mega coolers and 350w+ power draw! Perhaps there is a more efficient and faster 7nm design ready to go once tsmc is ready to deal?
    post edited by DarkFTW - 2020/10/10 17:38:19
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 01:46:19 (permalink)
    Ampere a100 is already made on 7nm, but i dont see super refresh coming any earlier than next summer, unless amd is super competitive and prices a gpu way under 3080 thats just as good but from what we saw couple days ago from those numbers 3080 is a bit faster than big navi even tho big navi has 16gb of vram 
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 02:23:18 (permalink)
    i’m not sure where the surprise comes from.
    the only people this concerns are people who just want the best at all times. and for those people budget is not the issue. in fact none of what was mention in the OP is. i welcome any new and better skus and as soon as there’s something better than the 3090, i’ll buy it immediately too.

    other than that, you’re left with a product that you feel is inferior because something new has come out and made it obsolete? welcome to the world of computers, where you can spend half the year deciding what cpu and motherboard to buy based off reviews, wait for availability, and then 6 months later intel releases the next gen. i mean, the 7700k is now considered too poor to be used with today’s GPUs. they’re not snubbing you, they’re innovating and pushing forward. be happy with what you have, not upset about what you don’t have.


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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 02:25:37 (permalink)
    there’s no room for a 3080ti in performance gain between 3080 and 3090. the 3090 would be that performance gain. the only thing they can really do is offer the 3080 with more memory. they COULD offer a 3090ti because there’s room to move up for sure.


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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 07:47:28 (permalink)
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    there’s no room for a 3080ti in performance gain between 3080 and 3090. the 3090 would be that performance gain. the only thing they can really do is offer the 3080 with more memory. they COULD offer a 3090ti because there’s room to move up for sure.

    Of course there is room. Most likely 3080Ti will be next to the 3090 on performance and the 3090Ti will be higher than the 3090 obviously. That's always been that way, the Ti of a said model always come very close to the one higher tier model one but with price in between the non Ti and the higher non Ti card. For example, the 1070Ti was almost a 1080, but with a price difference in favor of the Ti by more than 200$ MSRP.  
     
    Youcanteatthat, what follows next isn't an attack on you it's for everyone so please don't take it the wrong way.
     
    People should realize it by now. There is ALWAYS going to be better components within the 6 months / 1 year after the purchase. That doesn't mean you're going to need this performance jump. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy a 3080. But yes, you're paying more than something who'll be waiting a year. That's always like that. If you're going to wait for a moment where you can buy and not having to fear another refresh or jump in architecture, you'll never buy anything. That's why you should buy what you want / need and not, like GamersNexus said, the new shiny object just because it's new and shiny.
     
    I remember my 250Go 850 Evo (M.2 SATA3) was around 110€ 4 years ago. Now strictly speaking of Samsung's SSDs, it's at least half of the price for the same capacity but for newer gen (860 instead of 850). And for the same price, if you're willing to go outside of Samsung, you can have a 1To NVMe for the same price I paid my M.2 Sata 3 250Go.  
     
    So yeah. Buy or don't buy. But in 6 months or a year, there's going to be novelty. Hell, in a month there's going to be GPU novelty. In a month there's going to be CPU novelty. In 4 to 6 months there's going to be Intel CPU " new but not so new 14nm+++++ refresh " novelty. In maybe a year, there's going to be 3080Ti. 
     
    Deal. With. It.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 08:01:34 (permalink)
    People really do need to learn how to follow trends..  
     
    780 - 780ti
    Titan - Titan Black
     
    980 - 980ti
     
    1080 - 1080ti
    Titan X Pascal - Titan Xp Pascal
     
    2080 - 2080 Super
     
    3080 - Unknown title
     
    Every year NVidia releases a card.  Sometimes they come sooner than later.  Its going to happen.  AMD does it as well, but they haven't been as quick about it, and they are usually overclocking the same card and calling it a new generation.
     
    If you think that NVidia won't do this again, I can't wait to see the reaction of how NVidia is doing exactly the same thing they normally do.  This isn't new.  This isn't going to stop.  NVidia leaves room for growth on purpose.
     

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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 08:04:20 (permalink)
    How they produce 30 series i would expect late (September) 2021 30 series super models


     

     
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 08:04:44 (permalink)
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    i’m not sure where the surprise comes from.
    the only people this concerns are people who just want the best at all times. and for those people budget is not the issue. in fact none of what was mention in the OP is. i welcome any new and better skus and as soon as there’s something better than the 3090, i’ll buy it immediately too.

    other than that, you’re left with a product that you feel is inferior because something new has come out and made it obsolete? welcome to the world of computers, where you can spend half the year deciding what cpu and motherboard to buy based off reviews, wait for availability, and then 6 months later intel releases the next gen. i mean, the 7700k is now considered too poor to be used with today’s GPUs. they’re not snubbing you, they’re innovating and pushing forward. be happy with what you have, not upset about what you don’t have.



    Aight cool we can close the thread now all the needed to be said has been said and no sarcasm there. This one gets it.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 08:06:14 (permalink)
    Yes ! In fact, if AMD comes back with a good Big Navi generation, that might even encourage Nvidia to faster release a Ti or Super or whatever version, to regain the performance side if AMD can give something close to the 3080 but cheaper (not by much but still) and also which has stock (though I'm less optimistic on that one).
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 08:13:54 (permalink)
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    Yes ! In fact, if AMD comes back with a good Big Navi generation, that might even encourage Nvidia to faster release a Ti or Super or whatever version, to regain the performance side if AMD can give something close to the 3080 but cheaper (not by much but still) and also which has stock (though I'm less optimistic on that one).


    If AMD can come close or match the 3080, they can price it pretty much however they want if they actually have inventory to sell. You're going to see a whole lot of people who have been team green for a long time going to AMD if they actually have availability like they claim they will at launch. You'd think Nvidia would be worried about this. It's obviously the reason they rushed this launch in the first place. But instead, supply is still horrible.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 08:15:17 (permalink)
    Huntercyril
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    there’s no room for a 3080ti in performance gain between 3080 and 3090. the 3090 would be that performance gain. the only thing they can really do is offer the 3080 with more memory. they COULD offer a 3090ti because there’s room to move up for sure.

    Of course there is room. Most likely 3080Ti will be next to the 3090 on performance and the 3090Ti will be higher than the 3090 obviously. That's always been that way, the Ti of a said model always come very close to the one higher tier model one but with price in between the non Ti and the higher non Ti card. For example, the 1070Ti was almost a 1080, but with a price difference in favor of the Ti by more than 200$ MSRP.  
     
     

    the 3090 is getting about 10-15 fps more than the 3080 with a higher cuda count and way more ram. i guess if they want to put out out a card that gets 7-10 fps over a 3080, then.....go for it? you're gonna get that kind of swing in fps just with silicone lottery, power target between AIB's, or cpu choice anyway. i just don't see any room between the cards to really put a future refresh. HOWEVER, if they do offer a 3080 super with a higher power target and more ram, then THAT would be worth buying.
     
    i think the only reason the 3080 had such a gain over the 2080ti was because they must've found out during development what the new AMD card was doing and turned it up as far as could be reliable enough to sell. that's why these cards have no headroom when overclocking.
     
    we'll see


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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 08:18:45 (permalink)
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    there’s no room for a 3080ti in performance gain between 3080 and 3090. the 3090 would be that performance gain. the only thing they can really do is offer the 3080 with more memory. they COULD offer a 3090ti because there’s room to move up for sure.

    Of course there is room. Most likely 3080Ti will be next to the 3090 on performance and the 3090Ti will be higher than the 3090 obviously. That's always been that way, the Ti of a said model always come very close to the one higher tier model one but with price in between the non Ti and the higher non Ti card. For example, the 1070Ti was almost a 1080, but with a price difference in favor of the Ti by more than 200$ MSRP.  
     
     

    the 3090 is getting about 10-15 fps more than the 3080 with a higher cuda count and way more ram. i guess if they want to put out out a card that gets 7-10 fps over a 3080, then.....go for it? you're gonna get that kind of swing in fps just with silicone lottery, power target between AIB's, or cpu choice anyway. i just don't see any room between the cards to really put a future refresh. HOWEVER, if they do offer a 3080 super with a higher power target and more ram, then THAT would be worth buying.
     
    i think the only reason the 3080 had such a gain over the 2080ti was because they must've found out during development what the new AMD card was doing and turned it up as far as could be reliable enough to sell. that's why these cards have no headroom when overclocking.
     
    we'll see


    Yeah, I can't see how Nvidia will convince anyone to buy something between the 3080 and 3090. What, slap more memory on a 3080, possibly slightly higher clock, and get 5-10% more performance, and pay an addition $200-$300 for it? Seems highly unlikely but we'll see I guess.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 08:28:15 (permalink)
    If it's about a 1-year time frame, I would not care. Because it is in one year's time.
     
    Upgrading in 1 year is not a bad option for a techwhore like me! lol

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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 09:54:28 (permalink)
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    i’m not sure where the surprise comes from.
    the only people this concerns are people who just want the best at all times. and for those people budget is not the issue. in fact none of what was mention in the OP is. i welcome any new and better skus and as soon as there’s something better than the 3090, i’ll buy it immediately too.

    other than that, you’re left with a product that you feel is inferior because something new has come out and made it obsolete? welcome to the world of computers, where you can spend half the year deciding what cpu and motherboard to buy based off reviews, wait for availability, and then 6 months later intel releases the next gen. i mean, the 7700k is now considered too poor to be used with today’s GPUs. they’re not snubbing you, they’re innovating and pushing forward. be happy with what you have, not upset about what you don’t have.



    Aight cool we can close the thread now all the needed to be said has been said and no sarcasm there. This one gets it.


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    i’m not sure where the surprise comes from.
    the only people this concerns are people who just want the best at all times. and for those people budget is not the issue. in fact none of what was mention in the OP is. i welcome any new and better skus and as soon as there’s something better than the 3090, i’ll buy it immediately too.

    other than that, you’re left with a product that you feel is inferior because something new has come out and made it obsolete? welcome to the world of computers, where you can spend half the year deciding what cpu and motherboard to buy based off reviews, wait for availability, and then 6 months later intel releases the next gen. i mean, the 7700k is now considered too poor to be used with today’s GPUs. they’re not snubbing you, they’re innovating and pushing forward. be happy with what you have, not upset about what you don’t have.



    Aight cool we can close the thread now all the needed to be said has been said and no sarcasm there. This one gets it.



    In general, I'd tend to agree.  In this case, not so much.
     
    If the report is accurate, which I'm not saying it is, it wouldn't be innovation or pushing forward.  They didn't just discover the ability to put more ram on the board 3 months after release.  I'd expect and welcome super variants 6 months to a year out after initial release.  3 months feels unseemly to me.  To be perfectly frank, after the debacle this launch has been I'd be amazed if this report is actually accurate.  Why would you want to add more stress on your supply chain when you can't even keep up with what is currently on offer.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 10:16:20 (permalink)
    Is it confirmed that nVidia is no longer going to sell direct? Their website still shows both them and bestbuy as sources for the FE cards.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 10:46:56 (permalink)
    It is likely that 10gb is plenty of vram, but a lot of people complained that it wouldn't be enough but didn't want to spend the premium for the 3090, so a 20gb version is logical.
    This is not the first time a GPU was released and another with more vram later, sometimes more vram can be needed (1060 3gb > 6gb) but most of the time it's just to appease some.
     
    Most times though more Vram is an AIB thing to set their product apart from the others, whom follow suit, as an option to stand out from the crowd.
     
    I'm yet to see any bottle neck (don't have one but no reviews have complained) in the 3080 due to Vram low and with the new pci-e v4 technology then swapping the contents will be quicker and will work great with whatever Vram you have,
    https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/gpudirect-storage/
     
    But like was said above, buy what you need now as there will always be a better one on the horizon....
     
    The only issue with 30xx is purely stock, 10gb hasn't seemingly stopped anyone from making (or trying top make) a purchase.

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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 11:23:56 (permalink)
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    i’m not sure where the surprise comes from.
    the only people this concerns are people who just want the best at all times. and for those people budget is not the issue. in fact none of what was mention in the OP is. i welcome any new and better skus and as soon as there’s something better than the 3090, i’ll buy it immediately too.

    other than that, you’re left with a product that you feel is inferior because something new has come out and made it obsolete? welcome to the world of computers, where you can spend half the year deciding what cpu and motherboard to buy based off reviews, wait for availability, and then 6 months later intel releases the next gen. i mean, the 7700k is now considered too poor to be used with today’s GPUs. they’re not snubbing you, they’re innovating and pushing forward. be happy with what you have, not upset about what you don’t have.



    Aight cool we can close the thread now all the needed to be said has been said and no sarcasm there. This one gets it.


    Cerulean_Shaman
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    i’m not sure where the surprise comes from.
    the only people this concerns are people who just want the best at all times. and for those people budget is not the issue. in fact none of what was mention in the OP is. i welcome any new and better skus and as soon as there’s something better than the 3090, i’ll buy it immediately too.

    other than that, you’re left with a product that you feel is inferior because something new has come out and made it obsolete? welcome to the world of computers, where you can spend half the year deciding what cpu and motherboard to buy based off reviews, wait for availability, and then 6 months later intel releases the next gen. i mean, the 7700k is now considered too poor to be used with today’s GPUs. they’re not snubbing you, they’re innovating and pushing forward. be happy with what you have, not upset about what you don’t have.



    Aight cool we can close the thread now all the needed to be said has been said and no sarcasm there. This one gets it.



    In general, I'd tend to agree.  In this case, not so much.
     
    If the report is accurate, which I'm not saying it is, it wouldn't be innovation or pushing forward.  They didn't just discover the ability to put more ram on the board 3 months after release.  I'd expect and welcome super variants 6 months to a year out after initial release.  3 months feels unseemly to me.  To be perfectly frank, after the debacle this launch has been I'd be amazed if this report is actually accurate.  Why would you want to add more stress on your supply chain when you can't even keep up with what is currently on offer.




    Well, you can also always count on a company to exploit a customer whenever they safely can, no exceptions. I love EVGA for what they did, but let's be honest here, it's more a business plan than any sense of altruism. Nvidia IS the dude in the oversized chair, twirling a ridiculous mustache while petting a grumpy cat. When Nvidia only had itself for competition, they literally do whatever they wanted and made us pay whatever they wanted us to pay. The 20xx shows that more clearly than anything ever will. Nvidia - and only Nvidia - decided that NOW WAS THE TIME FOR RAY TRACING. Meanwhile, while nvidia was gushing about RTX on and renaming their graphic card series to RTX, literally no games supported it or DLSS, and they wanted us to pay 3090 prices for laughable performance increases over the 1080ti for an experience that tanked FPS. Literal AI cores that had nothing to do. And, well... people did despite Jensen's complaints about an abysmal launch.
     
    Nvidia does whatever it wants and then gets angry when people don't clap their hands and throws money at them - because that's what businesses, especially those that almost utterly control the market for a product - do. Amazon and Apple have been doing it forever. So, again, no one should be surprised Nvidia is doing this.
     
    In all honesty, I'm hoping AMD continues to gain traction because simply having more options at the enthusiast level will be great, and I would love to see true feature competition and true innovation wars. The 20xx series should never ever apppen again, and this is how we got Ryzen - AMD gave up on quad core while Intel was trying to milk it dry and throwing out crumbles of innovation, then forced a high multicore CPUs to become the standard before Intel wanted, forcing THEM to play catch up, and now WE get a decent variety of multicore choices. If it wasn't for AMD, we'd probably still all be on Intel quad cores.
     
    Dual competition is still terrible but I'll take what I can get. So, anyway, I don't know what you want us to do? Nvidia is going to release those cards if they can get away with it no matter what. Enjoy what you have or wait is literally all you can do, or I guess buy up if budget isn't a concern.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 11:39:06 (permalink)
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    People really do need to learn how to follow trends..  
     
    780 - 780ti
    Titan - Titan Black
     
    980 - 980ti
     
    1080 - 1080ti
    Titan X Pascal - Titan Xp Pascal
     
    2080 - 2080 Super
     
    3080 - Unknown title
     
    Every year NVidia releases a card.  Sometimes they come sooner than later.  Its going to happen.  AMD does it as well, but they haven't been as quick about it, and they are usually overclocking the same card and calling it a new generation.
     
    If you think that NVidia won't do this again, I can't wait to see the reaction of how NVidia is doing exactly the same thing they normally do.  This isn't new.  This isn't going to stop.  NVidia leaves room for growth on purpose.
     




    Yeah, I owned that Titan X too, I was especially p*ssed when they released the Titan XP
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 11:50:03 (permalink)
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    People really do need to learn how to follow trends..  
     
    780 - 780ti
    Titan - Titan Black
     
    980 - 980ti
     
    1080 - 1080ti
    Titan X Pascal - Titan Xp Pascal
     
    2080 - 2080 Super
     
    3080 - Unknown title
     
    Every year NVidia releases a card.  Sometimes they come sooner than later.  Its going to happen.  AMD does it as well, but they haven't been as quick about it, and they are usually overclocking the same card and calling it a new generation.
     
    If you think that NVidia won't do this again, I can't wait to see the reaction of how NVidia is doing exactly the same thing they normally do.  This isn't new.  This isn't going to stop.  NVidia leaves room for growth on purpose.

    Yeah, I owned that Titan X too, I was especially p*ssed when they released the Titan XP

    Same.. although the Titan X Pascal was still a damn good card, particularly with good cooling.
     

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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 12:58:53 (permalink)
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    i’m not sure where the surprise comes from.
    the only people this concerns are people who just want the best at all times. and for those people budget is not the issue. in fact none of what was mention in the OP is. i welcome any new and better skus and as soon as there’s something better than the 3090, i’ll buy it immediately too.

    other than that, you’re left with a product that you feel is inferior because something new has come out and made it obsolete? welcome to the world of computers, where you can spend half the year deciding what cpu and motherboard to buy based off reviews, wait for availability, and then 6 months later intel releases the next gen. i mean, the 7700k is now considered too poor to be used with today’s GPUs. they’re not snubbing you, they’re innovating and pushing forward. be happy with what you have, not upset about what you don’t have.



    Aight cool we can close the thread now all the needed to be said has been said and no sarcasm there. This one gets it.


    Cerulean_Shaman
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    i’m not sure where the surprise comes from.
    the only people this concerns are people who just want the best at all times. and for those people budget is not the issue. in fact none of what was mention in the OP is. i welcome any new and better skus and as soon as there’s something better than the 3090, i’ll buy it immediately too.

    other than that, you’re left with a product that you feel is inferior because something new has come out and made it obsolete? welcome to the world of computers, where you can spend half the year deciding what cpu and motherboard to buy based off reviews, wait for availability, and then 6 months later intel releases the next gen. i mean, the 7700k is now considered too poor to be used with today’s GPUs. they’re not snubbing you, they’re innovating and pushing forward. be happy with what you have, not upset about what you don’t have.



    Aight cool we can close the thread now all the needed to be said has been said and no sarcasm there. This one gets it.



    In general, I'd tend to agree.  In this case, not so much.
     
    If the report is accurate, which I'm not saying it is, it wouldn't be innovation or pushing forward.  They didn't just discover the ability to put more ram on the board 3 months after release.  I'd expect and welcome super variants 6 months to a year out after initial release.  3 months feels unseemly to me.  To be perfectly frank, after the debacle this launch has been I'd be amazed if this report is actually accurate.  Why would you want to add more stress on your supply chain when you can't even keep up with what is currently on offer.




    Well, you can also always count on a company to exploit a customer whenever they safely can, no exceptions. I love EVGA for what they did, but let's be honest here, it's more a business plan than any sense of altruism. Nvidia IS the dude in the oversized chair, twirling a ridiculous mustache while petting a grumpy cat. When Nvidia only had itself for competition, they literally do whatever they wanted and made us pay whatever they wanted us to pay. The 20xx shows that more clearly than anything ever will. Nvidia - and only Nvidia - decided that NOW WAS THE TIME FOR RAY TRACING. Meanwhile, while nvidia was gushing about RTX on and renaming their graphic card series to RTX, literally no games supported it or DLSS, and they wanted us to pay 3090 prices for laughable performance increases over the 1080ti for an experience that tanked FPS. Literal AI cores that had nothing to do. And, well... people did despite Jensen's complaints about an abysmal launch.
     
    Nvidia does whatever it wants and then gets angry when people don't clap their hands and throws money at them - because that's what businesses, especially those that almost utterly control the market for a product - do. Amazon and Apple have been doing it forever. So, again, no one should be surprised Nvidia is doing this.
     
    In all honesty, I'm hoping AMD continues to gain traction because simply having more options at the enthusiast level will be great, and I would love to see true feature competition and true innovation wars. The 20xx series should never ever apppen again, and this is how we got Ryzen - AMD gave up on quad core while Intel was trying to milk it dry and throwing out crumbles of innovation, then forced a high multicore CPUs to become the standard before Intel wanted, forcing THEM to play catch up, and now WE get a decent variety of multicore choices. If it wasn't for AMD, we'd probably still all be on Intel quad cores.
     
    Dual competition is still terrible but I'll take what I can get. So, anyway, I don't know what you want us to do? Nvidia is going to release those cards if they can get away with it no matter what. Enjoy what you have or wait is literally all you can do, or I guess buy up if budget isn't a concern.




    I recognize that NVIDIA is in control, and that's where my ire is directed.  I feel as though you're under the impression I'm angry at AIB's in general or EVGA in particular, and I'm not.  If this is true, what do I want us to do?  Be angry.  That's the only recourse.  Sometimes companies listen, sometimes they don't.  I know for a fact that being timid or complacent will only embolden them.  /shrug
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 18:50:52 (permalink)
    DarkFTW
    I think this will happen .

    I'd expect both a 3080ti and 3090ti next year and if its on 7nm it will likely be a large jump from the current cards.

    Ampere was originally announced as a 7nm gpu. I wonder if the current samsung 8nm chips are a backport of sorts? That would explain the need for mega coolers and 350w+ power draw! Perhaps there is a more efficient and faster 7nm design ready to go once tsmc is ready to deal?


    According to the article, the 8nm was heavily discounted. Plus, that could explain the lower Ampere pricing.
    Also, AMD N Apple were taking mass orders from TSMC and Samsung was prolly the easier choice for 2020 and Covid slowing everything down. Just my speculations.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 21:17:10 (permalink)
    IMHO in all likelyhood the 3080 Ti would be a GA102 with 11/12ths cut down (3080 is GA102 10/12th) and 11GB, for $700 in reference spec. I'd personally like to see a 3080 Ti with full GA102 and 12GB, but I doubt that they would do that to the 3090 buyers.  Nvidia could have released a 12GB 2080 Ti Super with a full TU102 and upset all the Titan RTX buyers, but they didn't.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 21:34:50 (permalink)
    The GA102/104 will never be produced on TSMC 7nm.

    Any article that says otherwise has no idea how the semiconductor business works. It’s possible they could move to Samsung’s 7nm and do a mid-cycle refresh, but they would not switch foundries.

    Even if TSMC had the spare capacity, Ampere would have to be re-engineered for TSMC’s process.

    Expect the forthcoming 3080 20GB to have 2 more SM’s enabled. It will not get a branding change. I would expect 3% bump in performance.

    And OP, EVGA has done something unprecedented in the consumer electronics world. They responded to customer requests with a system that is FAR better than the ‘F5’ dance that the majority of us were/are doing.

    Remember the 320-bit bus on the 3080 when discussing future memory capacities.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/11 22:45:04 (permalink)
    The 2080 Super Cards had Samsung Memory which overclocked amazingly well. At first when the 2080 Ti Launched it had Micron Memory just like the current 3080 / 3090 and Micron Memory just doesn't overlock as good as the Samsung. The 2080 Ti when it first launched had Micron Memory and that had the famous Space Invaders bug for some cards where the cards just would not work. So I think we might get GDDR6X Memory From Samsung if a 3080 Super comes out next year as a refresh with better memory. Purely Speculation but it can happen.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/12 10:08:35 (permalink)
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    Nvidia snubbed 2080 early adopters by releasing a 2080 Super less than 1 year later.   2080 Ti stock was limited and sporadic at best all the way into the new year.  2080 improvements over 1080 were abysmal at best.  The 3080 release has been utterly awful for consumers and AIB manufacturers (we all blame Nvidia, not EVGA/Gigabyte/ASUS although EVGAs shopping cart solution is inadequate).  Nvidia has thrown in the towel and will no longer sell FE cards direct to consumers, giving way for Best Buy to take over.  We're not even a month into this mess and now there's already news a 3080 Super/Ti may come out in less than one year?   Am I the only one hoping AMD can be a formidable competitor to put Nvidia in their place?
     



    From the numbers shown in the amd event it seems likely that they will compete with the 3080. So let’s hope for the best and for both companies competing for the customers.
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    Re: 3080 Super/Ti to be released in <1 year? 2020/10/14 17:33:20 (permalink)
    they will switch to 7nm for 4080 or 3080 super but thats still a year away, its not coming in a month or 2 like some people keep saying 
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