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2020/11/23 20:06:10 (permalink)
I have a 3080 FTW3 Ultra and the fins on the heatsink vent toward the mobo. Doing this dumps a huge amount of heat into my 970 Evo M.2 drive. In game, the SSD will match the temperature of the GPU within about 5 degrees C. The M.2 drive has a passive heatsink from the motherboard, but all that does is soak up more of the GPU heat and transfer it *to* the SSD..  
 
Motherboard is an Asus x570-E. The M.2 drive sits slightly above the slot.
 

 
Having an SSD running at ~75C all the time is not a good idea. This seems poorly engineered to dump all that heat into the mobo. This is why I always prefer blower style cards. I'd rather let the GPU get a few degrees warmer than dump all that heat into the case and mobo... Facepalm. 
 
Any suggestions?
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 21:37:56 (permalink)
You can you some of that amazing engineering you bestow and create a "heat shield" around the drive. Increasing the airflow in your case will also lower the temps. You can't be the first one to figure this out.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 22:10:04 (permalink)
Is your CPU AiO set to pull cool air in? If not, you might want to try that.
 
Also, as a guess you don't have a case with a side panel that has intake fans? They aren't in vogue, but really do better with non-blower GPUs.

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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 22:15:07 (permalink)
Sure, I can hack something to work around what I consider a design flaw, but I shouldn't need to. Honestly I'll just return the card at this rate, or I'll need to stop using that m.2 slot. The heatsink is obviously burning hot to the touch. Removing the heatsink should help quite a bit because it's just wicking the heat back into the drive. Sucks because the integrated heatsink looks nice.
 
Start temps

 
 
A few minutes of gaming - you can see the GPU in a steady thermal state, but SSD temps slowly increasing

 
 
Longer gaming session

 
 
These temps are lower than previously.. There are two sensors on the SSD and the controller temps are about 15C higher. 
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 22:20:51 (permalink)
Yes, the AIO is pulling cool air in. Back and top fans are exhaust. Temps look good for everything except the SSD, really. At least IMO
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 22:27:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby voodoodrul 2020/11/23 22:39:25
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Yes, the AIO is pulling cool air in. Back and top fans are exhaust. Temps look good for everything except the SSD, really. At least IMO


Well, if you don't have a case with side panel intake fans (they really, really help (yes, beating a dead horse)) - you can always hook up a random 120mm fan to the motherboard and stand it up on the back of the GPU blowing over the m.2 heatsink. Any airflow over it will cool it down considerably.
 
You might also consider trying without the heatsink. Who knows, maybe there is enough airflow to cool it better without the heatsink on it (which I've read can sometimes make the m.2 drive hotter) if you don't want to try the random fan method.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 22:44:52 (permalink)
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Yes, the AIO is pulling cool air in. Back and top fans are exhaust. Temps look good for everything except the SSD, really. At least IMO




 
Mine doesn't have that issue, but then I have an AORUS Z390 Master MB (Has the M.2 covers also) and I am air cooling (NH-D15) and have better airflow in the case because of it. And the case has excellent airflow to begin with.
 
It also helps that my CPU cooler is right over top of the M.2 Drive.
 
Would help YOU to move the CPU Radiator to the top of the case and run clean front intake fans that would blow cool air right over that area.
 
 
 
 

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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 22:54:15 (permalink)
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Yes, the AIO is pulling cool air in. Back and top fans are exhaust. Temps look good for everything except the SSD, really. At least IMO




 
Mine doesn't have that issue, but then I have an AORUS Z390 Master MB (Has the M.2 covers also) and I am air cooling (NH-D15) and have better airflow in the case because of it. And the case has excellent airflow to begin with.
 
It also helps that my CPU cooler is right over top of the M.2 Drive.
 
Would help YOU to move the CPU Radiator to the top of the case and run clean front intake fans that would blow cool air right over that area.
 
 
 
 




The NZXT H500i doesn't support top mounted rads. 
 
Also, I lied. Found out the motherboard heatsinks are "active" cooled, with the paltry, tiny fans they use. I think that's doing more harm than good honestly since that fan sits directly behind the hottest part of the GPU. 
 
I've removed all heatsinks from the mobo and I'm running more tests
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 22:58:37 (permalink)
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Yes, the AIO is pulling cool air in. Back and top fans are exhaust. Temps look good for everything except the SSD, really. At least IMO




 
Mine doesn't have that issue, but then I have an AORUS Z390 Master MB (Has the M.2 covers also) and I am air cooling (NH-D15) and have better airflow in the case because of it. And the case has excellent airflow to begin with.
 
It also helps that my CPU cooler is right over top of the M.2 Drive.
 
Would help YOU to move the CPU Radiator to the top of the case and run clean front intake fans that would blow cool air right over that area.
 
 
 
 




The NZXT H500i doesn't support top mounted rads. 
 
Also, I lied. Found out the motherboard heatsinks are "active" cooled, with the paltry, tiny fans they use. I think that's doing more harm than good honestly since that fan sits directly behind the hottest part of the GPU. 
 
I've removed all heatsinks from the mobo and I'm running more tests




You aren't really getting any cool air blowing across the GPU area etc, that is the main problem.
 
The fans on the RAD aren't doing you any favors here, your intake airflow is greatly reduced and warm from going through the RAD.
 
That's a lot of the issue with front mounted RADs, really cuts down the airflow a lot.
 
 

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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 23:05:22 (permalink)
Another problem is that the chipset sits directly behind the GPU and just gets roasted. Even with the side panel off completely, the chipset being just a fraction of an inch away from the GPU means it gets crazy hot. I'm not sure any amount of airflow will help the chipset due to proximity. It reaches 80c with the side panel off. It's slowly increasing
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 23:18:49 (permalink)
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Another problem is that the chipset sits directly behind the GPU and just gets roasted. Even with the side panel off completely, the chipset being just a fraction of an inch away from the GPU means it gets crazy hot. I'm not sure any amount of airflow will help the chipset due to proximity. It reaches 80c with the side panel off. It's slowly increasing




 
AIRFLOW helps, just taking the side panel off won't do much, you need cool air flowing over those areas.....
 
IF you have a fan, like a desk fan or something use that and blow air into the case using that, you would see a difference. And the air flow issue with your case using an AIO.
 
 
 
 

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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 23:33:38 (permalink)
Case open, M.2 heatsinks removed. The amount of heat blowing up from the back of the GPU is other worldy. Poor chipset.. With the case open, I opened my window to let cool air in. Barely moved the chipset temp and the others stayed the same. 
 

 
So I said screw it, open the case, add a fan blowing directly on the SSD. Chipset isn't going to get much help but whatever. 
 
Still, abysmal thermals due to the inferno GPU. You can see the drop in drive temps from the fan. The chipset continues to rise. SSD temps remain stable at this point, never dropping. 

 
 
For the lulz - wide open case, fan just sitting there, but spinning about 2000 rpm

 
 
I would need to do a bunch of changes I think. First, I need to swap cases to something like an H710i to top mount the rad. Second, to make a shroud that blocks the air from the back of the gpu and routes it somewhere safer. Third, consider water cooling. I'll need to look for a blower-style card. Getting the air out of the case and not blowing it all over the other components makes things a lot more practical. 
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 23:45:57 (permalink)
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Case open, M.2 heatsinks removed. The amount of heat blowing up from the back of the GPU is other worldy. Poor chipset.. With the case open, I opened my window to let cool air in. Barely moved the chipset temp and the others stayed the same. 
 

 
So I said screw it, open the case, add a fan blowing directly on the SSD. Chipset isn't going to get much help but whatever. 
 
Still, abysmal thermals due to the inferno GPU. You can see the drop in drive temps from the fan. The chipset continues to rise. SSD temps remain stable at this point, never dropping. 

 
 
For the lulz - wide open case, fan just sitting there, but spinning about 2000 rpm

 
 
I would need to do a bunch of changes I think. First, I need to swap cases to something like an H710i to top mount the rad. Second, to make a shroud that blocks the air from the back of the gpu and routes it somewhere safer. Third, consider water cooling. I'll need to look for a blower-style card. Getting the air out of the case and not blowing it all over the other components makes things a lot more practical. 




 
 
Yeah, that CHIPSET shouldn't be anywhere near 80C.
 
As for the rest just a new case would solve a lot of it.
 
Maybe a new MB, higher tiered MB than what you have now would be better.
 
Just a new case and MB would solve all of your issues.
 
Just top mount the RAD in the new case and you be done.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 23:53:20 (permalink)
I wouldn't consider the Asus X570-E a low-end board. It's just got an uphill battle with the fact a furnace is blowing directly on it. Pretty much all the x570 boards I see would be prone to the same problem. The chipset is in the same general location and almost all of them have the same kind of active cooling.
 
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 23:55:20 (permalink)
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I wouldn't consider the Asus X570-E a low-end board. It's just got an uphill battle with the fact a furnace is blowing directly on it. Pretty much all the x570 boards I see would be prone to the same problem. The chipset is in the same general location and almost all of them have the same kind of active cooling.
 




 
You would cry if I told you what my temps are on my AORUS Master Z390 MB. 

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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/23 23:56:12 (permalink)
me too, it makes m2 and chipset hot. unfortunately Asus has put the heatsink of the chipset turned upside down and draws air from the GPU.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 00:04:20 (permalink)
Bonjour j'ai moi un chipset X570 ASUS TUF qui Chauffe énormément ( il as son ventilateur qui tourne a 4000 bpm ) Tu est pas le seul le mien tourne a 85 dégrée et j'ai aussi un SSD Samsung en NVME qui chauffe 85 dégrée prévue pour 70 a la base , sans parler de la carte graphique l'ordi était un vrais chauf****e d'appoint , les SSD Samsung chauffe énormément même en le mettant sur le slot NVME le plus frais avec un dissipateur dessus il est toujours en surchauffe a 71 dégrée 
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 00:20:22 (permalink)
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I wouldn't consider the Asus X570-E a low-end board. It's just got an uphill battle with the fact a furnace is blowing directly on it. Pretty much all the x570 boards I see would be prone to the same problem. The chipset is in the same general location and almost all of them have the same kind of active cooling.
 




 
You would cry if I told you what my temps are on my AORUS Master Z390 MB. 




Perhaps, but ultimately it's not the component that is producing heat, it's receiving heat. Replacing the component won't matter much, other than layout and luck. There are two ways to handle the heat- make it shed far more heat than the component could ever produce (by orders of magnitude) or reduce the heat it receives. A blower style card would solve that. Otherwise I'd need to find some perfect combination of layout that just happens to dump heat onto the board in a location that has no components that matter.
 
In the end, I'll be selling/returning this card. 
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 08:35:22 (permalink)
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I wouldn't consider the Asus X570-E a low-end board. It's just got an uphill battle with the fact a furnace is blowing directly on it. Pretty much all the x570 boards I see would be prone to the same problem. The chipset is in the same general location and almost all of them have the same kind of active cooling.
 




 
You would cry if I told you what my temps are on my AORUS Master Z390 MB. 




Perhaps, but ultimately it's not the component that is producing heat, it's receiving heat. Replacing the component won't matter much, other than layout and luck. There are two ways to handle the heat- make it shed far more heat than the component could ever produce (by orders of magnitude) or reduce the heat it receives. A blower style card would solve that. Otherwise I'd need to find some perfect combination of layout that just happens to dump heat onto the board in a location that has no components that matter.
 
In the end, I'll be selling/returning this card. 




That's a standard layout, the chipset on most boards is in the same exact area no matter if it's Intel or AMD.
 
The GPU being there has nothing to do your chipset temp, it's poor MB design that is the issue.
 
Call ASUS and see what they say, maybe there is an issue with your MB.

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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 09:19:17 (permalink)
Could grab a hybrid kit or a water loop for just the gpu.


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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 09:41:30 (permalink)
What's the problem?
No problem!
 
NAND likes to run hot.  It lasts longer when it is able to maintain above 60c.  Leave it alone.  It's not too hot.
 
Somewhere between 60c and 80c is optimal for SSD NAND life.
 

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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 09:43:21 (permalink)
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What's the problem?
No problem!
 
NAND likes to run hot.  It lasts longer when it is able to be hot.  Leave it alone.


NAND does, but the controller does NOT. It’ll thermal throttle and then it won’t matter if the NAND likes being hot or not.


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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 09:46:05 (permalink)
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NAND does, but the controller does NOT. It’ll thermal throttle and then it won’t matter if the NAND likes being hot or not.

Is the controller thermal throttling?  He didn't say that it is.
 
His controller will thermal throttle around 80c.  Is his?  He didn't say so.
 
Like I said, 60c to 80c is optimal for his drive.  For NAND lifetime; and it is still cool enough to not throttle.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 09:49:24 (permalink)
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NAND does, but the controller does NOT. It’ll thermal throttle and then it won’t matter if the NAND likes being hot or not.

Is the controller thermal throttling?  He didn't say that it is.


 
His 970 evo has an operating temp from 0 to 70C, so I would assume yes.

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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 09:51:11 (permalink)
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NAND does, but the controller does NOT. It’ll thermal throttle and then it won’t matter if the NAND likes being hot or not.

Is the controller thermal throttling?  He didn't say that it is.


 
His 970 evo has an operating temp from 0 to 70C, so I would assume yes.




 
YUP...
 
Mine runs in the 38C to 40C normally.
 
970 EVO Plus here.

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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 09:54:22 (permalink)
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NAND does, but the controller does NOT. It’ll thermal throttle and then it won’t matter if the NAND likes being hot or not.

Is the controller thermal throttling?  He didn't say that it is.


 
His 970 evo has an operating temp from 0 to 70C, so I would assume yes.


That's weird that they advertise 0 to 70c.  His controller throttles at 79c.  And his NAND has the best endurance near 80c.  Why do they advertise 70c?  Very weird.
 
Don't assume.  It is has been tested to throttle at 79c.
 
He didn't say that it is throttling.
 
His SSD is running at 65c after a long session.  This is no problem!  This is optimal.  Leave it alone.  It's great!
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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 09:56:53 (permalink)
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NAND does, but the controller does NOT. It’ll thermal throttle and then it won’t matter if the NAND likes being hot or not.

Is the controller thermal throttling?  He didn't say that it is.


 
His 970 evo has an operating temp from 0 to 70C, so I would assume yes.


That's weird that they advertise 0 to 70c.  His controller throttles at 79c.  And his NAND has the best endurance near 80c.  Why do they advertise 70c?  Very weird.
 
Don't assume.  It is has been tested to throttle at 79c.
 
He didn't say that it is throttling.




 
What they say is they aren't temp sensitive in the specs.

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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 10:01:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby voodoodrul 2020/11/24 14:20:38
Quit invalidating his concern, if he wants it to run cooler, he should be able to. He's literally single digits away from throttling, I'd be more concerned about that than adding years on top of my already lengthy lifespan of the drive. We don't need all this pedantic positioning on this board.
 
OP, there's a few methods to reduce the temp, but without changing the cooler maybe relocate the drive to another slot.


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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 10:34:25 (permalink)
My 3090 vents hot air toward the side of the case..  Because of that, it was blowing the hot air back into the card's cooling fans and making it hotter.  I had to change my system around so the hot air was pulled up and out and I opened the PCIe slot covers to leave an opening for ambient air to flow over the cooling fans, which also cools the M.2 drive.  I would think your board design is a lot like the Z490 board..
 
I did not realize where the air was going until I removed the side of the case and felt it blowing outward..  Having the side of the case off may help but the cooling fans will still pull some of it down and in if there is not a cooling air source available.

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Re: 3080 FTW3 Ultra overheats my M.2 drive - 75C+ 2020/11/24 10:42:05 (permalink)
Doesn't that mb have a lower slot m.2 .Can't use that ? i'm pretty noob about this stuff.
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