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2020/10/26 10:02:22 (permalink)
Thread to discuss the anarchy and salt of the upcoming 3070 launch.  IMHO they will be botted for cryptomining and resale, they will go for about $1000 on ebay well into 2021.
 
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/26 10:05:56 (permalink)
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/26 10:23:02 (permalink)
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/26 11:18:22 (permalink)
    I think 3070s will be more readily in supply vs the 3080/3090 only because they can just disable CUs in bad yield 3080s. Since they seem to be having a pretty hard time producing enough of those, got to feel all the ones that haven't been up to snuff are just going to be labeled as 3070s.


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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/26 11:26:54 (permalink)
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    I think 3070s will be more readily in supply vs the 3080/3090 only because they can just disable CUs in bad yield 3080s. Since they seem to be having a pretty hard time producing enough of those, got to feel all the ones that haven't been up to snuff are just going to be labeled as 3070s.




    The 3070 uses a GA104 with the same number of cores as a 2080.  Thus it is reasonable to think the chip is also a 23/24th's cut down.  There will eventually be a full chip Quadro and 3070 Super/Ti.
     
    You might be right though about GA102 taking a ~40% cut down to be used in 3070's.  We'll see what the chips say.  That is a huge waste of silicon though and it should take them many months of fab to get enough bad chips where it would be worth producing a variant to dispose of them (see TU104 2060 KO).
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/26 12:43:48 (permalink)

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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/26 13:51:52 (permalink)
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/26 14:59:49 (permalink)
    It's just speculation, but my bet is that we'll see more significant numbers for the 3070- about 5 times more. It's been over a month for the 3080 and 3090, and we're still struggling to get them, but I bet most who really want a 3070 will have one within a month after launch.
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/26 18:44:36 (permalink)
     
    These hardware threads should go in Hardware IMO.   ;)

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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 05:05:25 (permalink)
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    These hardware threads should go in Hardware IMO.   ;)




    LOL.  I posted it in the 30xx forum originally.
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 07:25:25 (permalink)
    Reviews are out.  Nearly as strong as a reference 2080 Ti, no word on OC'ing capability.  
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbZDERlshbQ
     
    The reddit salt is going to be ALL TIME when these are scalped HARD for the next 6+ months.
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 07:50:05 (permalink)
    Bots don't discriminate - so I think the availability will be the same.  * near zero *

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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 08:06:43 (permalink)
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    Bots don't discriminate - so I think the availability will be the same.  * near zero *




    I think it will be worse, these are going to be BEASTS for crypto due to the performance/power ratio and low hardware cost.  What do you want to bet every cryptomimer has their bots lined up to buy these?  Big time.
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 10:04:30 (permalink)
    As a miner on slush since 2010. I left video cards for ASICs in 2018 due to stability and higher heat tolerances, auto restart etc you dont find in Video Cards.

    Also in the long run they cost less and take up less space and have approx 3x the efficiency in hash vs watt.

    Now ETH has been gpu profitable, especially on AMD cards running custom firmware, but but couldn't compete with an antminer E3. With ETH moving the 2.0, and Z coins having dedicated ASICs, only a handful of primary coins like Monero are worth GPU mining.

    With that said I only see a ha fully of gamers dual purposing mining and gaming. I may be wrong but large scale operations are all ASICs theses days. 2017/2018 was a different world.
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 10:32:33 (permalink)
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    As a miner on slush since 2010. I left video cards for ASICs in 2018 due to stability and higher heat tolerances, auto restart etc you dont find in Video Cards.

    Also in the long run they cost less and take up less space and have approx 3x the efficiency in hash vs watt.

    Now ETH has been gpu profitable, especially on AMD cards running custom firmware, but but couldn't compete with an antminer E3. With ETH moving the 2.0, and Z coins having dedicated ASICs, only a handful of primary coins like Monero are worth GPU mining.

    With that said I only see a ha fully of gamers dual purposing mining and gaming. I may be wrong but large scale operations are all ASICs theses days. 2017/2018 was a different world.

    This is also my understanding of the current mining landscape. Speaking with a few friends who used to GPU mine, they too have all since moved over to ASIC for any serious mining. Sure, there will be the odd person that's either just getting into mining or just seeing what it's all about that may still GPU mine but it's not going to really ever be anything like it was back in 2017 and into early 2018. At least not with anyone that wants to make a decent amount of money on it anyway. I too don't see crypto miners even caring about GPUs anymore with the widespread availability of ASIC that are more reliable and more profitable. 

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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 10:53:42 (permalink)
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    As a miner on slush since 2010. I left video cards for ASICs in 2018 due to stability and higher heat tolerances, auto restart etc you dont find in Video Cards.

    Also in the long run they cost less and take up less space and have approx 3x the efficiency in hash vs watt.

    Now ETH has been gpu profitable, especially on AMD cards running custom firmware, but but couldn't compete with an antminer E3. With ETH moving the 2.0, and Z coins having dedicated ASICs, only a handful of primary coins like Monero are worth GPU mining.

    With that said I only see a ha fully of gamers dual purposing mining and gaming. I may be wrong but large scale operations are all ASICs theses days. 2017/2018 was a different world.

    This is also my understanding of the current mining landscape. Speaking with a few friends who used to GPU mine, they too have all since moved over to ASIC for any serious mining. Sure, there will be the odd person that's either just getting into mining or just seeing what it's all about that may still GPU mine but it's not going to really ever be anything like it was back in 2017 and into early 2018. At least not with anyone that wants to make a decent amount of money on it anyway. I too don't see crypto miners even caring about GPUs anymore with the widespread availability of ASIC that are more reliable and more profitable. 




    Great insights, thanks.  I'm just going off the media reports:
     
    https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/geforce-rtx-3080-cryptomining-frenzy-ampere
     
    The 3070 would be even better.  But who knows.
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 11:19:25 (permalink)
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    As a miner on slush since 2010. I left video cards for ASICs in 2018 due to stability and higher heat tolerances, auto restart etc you dont find in Video Cards.

    Also in the long run they cost less and take up less space and have approx 3x the efficiency in hash vs watt.

    Now ETH has been gpu profitable, especially on AMD cards running custom firmware, but but couldn't compete with an antminer E3. With ETH moving the 2.0, and Z coins having dedicated ASICs, only a handful of primary coins like Monero are worth GPU mining.

    With that said I only see a ha fully of gamers dual purposing mining and gaming. I may be wrong but large scale operations are all ASICs theses days. 2017/2018 was a different world.

    This is also my understanding of the current mining landscape. Speaking with a few friends who used to GPU mine, they too have all since moved over to ASIC for any serious mining. Sure, there will be the odd person that's either just getting into mining or just seeing what it's all about that may still GPU mine but it's not going to really ever be anything like it was back in 2017 and into early 2018. At least not with anyone that wants to make a decent amount of money on it anyway. I too don't see crypto miners even caring about GPUs anymore with the widespread availability of ASIC that are more reliable and more profitable. 




    Great insights, thanks.  I'm just going off the media reports:
     
    https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/geforce-rtx-3080-cryptomining-frenzy-ampere
     
    The 3070 would be even better.  But who knows.


    That's just uninformed theory crafting from a source that has no real understanding of the material they are talking about. That article was just click bait. 

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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 16:52:29 (permalink)
    Even AI and deep learning have ASICs now. Even so the current 3070 doesnt have enough ram to warrant its use...come the 14gb 3070 ti...maybe.

    I've said this before. The 70 series is the best gaming bang for the buck. The people. Using them will be system builders that want to advertise a 30 series card, or gamers that dont currently own any RTX card or dont own a 1080ti... those with a 1080ti are looking at the 3080 or magical 20gb 3080ti coming next year.
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 16:56:05 (permalink)
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    Even AI and deep learning have ASICs now. Even so the current 3070 doesnt have enough ram to warrant its use...come the 14gb 3070 ti...maybe.

    I've said this before. The 70 series is the best gaming bang for the buck. The people. Using them will be system builders that want to advertise a 30 series card, or gamers that dont currently own any RTX card or dont own a 1080ti... those with a 1080ti are looking at the 3080 or magical 20gb 3080ti coming next year.



    There's clearly pent up demand.
     
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 17:11:12 (permalink)
    I wasnt saying there isnt demand...like I said, the 70 series is always the best bang for the buck. But there wont be huge demand from mining, ai, deep learning or anyone currently with a 1080ti or RTX card. The step from an rtx 2060 to an rtx 3070 is just wasting money. AND anyone that dropped 1080ti money that didnt buy a 2080 is buying a 3080+.

    There is a huge group though with 1050ti, 1060, 1070ti that didnt get an rtx, that are due for an upgrade and the 3070 is a perfect option.
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 17:21:13 (permalink)
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    I wasnt saying there isnt demand



    I was agreeing with you and supporting your point.  For 90%+ of Steam users a 3070 is a huge upgrade.
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 18:10:43 (permalink)
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    I wasnt saying there isnt demand



    I was agreeing with you and supporting your point.  For 90%+ of Steam users a 3070 is a huge upgrade.


    It will be but the demand curve will change you will see.

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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 18:24:28 (permalink)
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    Classic!!!  


     

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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 18:37:36 (permalink)
    So is there any idea when 3070 cards will be available in the EVGA store? 10/29? 12am Pacific? Eastern?
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 18:40:03 (permalink)
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 18:44:35 (permalink)
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    So is there any idea when 3070 cards will be available in the EVGA store? 10/29? 12am Pacific? Eastern?

    10/29, 6am PST.  You'll only be able to get in the notification queue system.  There won't be a way to buy one outright per what Jacob said the plan was.  Pricing will also be available at the same time. 

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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/27 19:08:02 (permalink)
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    So is there any idea when 3070 cards will be available in the EVGA store? 10/29? 12am Pacific? Eastern?

    10/29, 6am PST.  You'll only be able to get in the notification queue system.  There won't be a way to buy one outright per what Jacob said the plan was.  Pricing will also be available at the same time. 


    Hey, that's fine by me. Thanks for the info.
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/28 00:06:12 (permalink)
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    These hardware threads should go in Hardware IMO.   ;)




    LOL.  I posted it in the 30xx forum originally.




    Damn. I would have probably kept it there. LOL!    

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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/28 00:44:45 (permalink)
    I wonder how this will figure into AMD's announcement, one day before the 3070 release? (AMD chose that date intentionally?)
     
    Also still a question on supply I'm wondering about, will the 3070 have any improvements in regards to supply, or will it be in the exact same boat as other 30 series cards? (I'm expecting it to be bad either way, but possibly not quite as bad)


     
     
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    Re: 3070 Launch Anarchy Thread 2020/10/29 13:04:28 (permalink)
    10/10 would launch again. 
     
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