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2019/12/05 19:13:17 (permalink)
 
So I have two fans in the left side of my case blowing air at the GPU and CPU area and one external exhaust fan.
 
Just started trying out my evga 2800 Super on Borderlands 3.   Load is a whopping 84c playing it at 1920 x 1080  with Ambient Occlusion set to low,  AA off and Fog taken down from Ultra to High.   I can see that both the card's fans are working too as is my PSU fan.
 
If the maximum safe temperature is 88c I have problems right?  And 55c with fans blowing on it at idle seems way too hot to me as well :(
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/05 20:11:01 (permalink)
I'd remove the cooler and reapply thermal compound. 55C idle is definitely not normal. 

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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/05 20:35:12 (permalink)
Thank you.  But reapply compound on a brand new card that's only had a few hours use? 
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/05 20:52:21 (permalink)
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Thank you.  But reapply compound on a brand new card that's only had a few hours use? 


It's either that or RMA it. I'd try to reapply the thermal compound so you won't have to wait for a replacement. But if that doesn't bother you then by all means RMA it, you have a valid reason. 

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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/05 22:56:08 (permalink)
 
Okay thank you for the advice I appreciate it!
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/06 00:44:49 (permalink)
I would also make sure your ambient room temp isn't too warm to start with either.

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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/06 04:25:09 (permalink)
Only 2 fans sucking in & 1 fan out might be a bit to little of airflow ?  you can make sure it is not the card by taking off your side panel for freeflow air & retest your temps .
 
What case are you using ? 
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/06 04:37:43 (permalink)
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Thank you.  But reapply compound on a brand new card that's only had a few hours use? 




It is a very common practice to reapply thermal paste on a brand new card, so many times even though the card is new the original OEM application of thermal paste is not very good. 

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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/06 06:25:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby yaggaz 2019/12/08 12:50:43
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Only 2 fans sucking in & 1 fan out might be a bit to little of airflow ?  you can make sure it is not the card by taking off your side panel for freeflow air & retest your temps .
 
What case are you using ? 
What are the rest of the system specs of parts in side the case ?


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Could be you trapped the Heat in the Case as that cooler pushes most of the GPU heat into the case --> Your case fans need to remove the heat
 
Now - if 55 C is your idle temp after the PC sits overnight - that would indicate a possible issue with the TIM application - not covering the entire GPU Die
 
Please remember: If you cause physical Damage to the card while changing the TIM - that would Void your Warranty.  If your experienced & comfortable changing the TIM - you probably think it is reasonably easy to do. 
 
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/06 09:46:51 (permalink)
Turn on vsync and post a pic of your case.
 
55C idle with fans OFF is normal.  30C or so idle with fans on.
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/06 20:44:34 (permalink)
 
Thank you again for the extra advice and comments it's very much appreciated.  When you save up for a year and drop 700 for a video card it can get pretty nail biting when you worry something might be wrong.
 
Anyway the case is nearly 12 years old.  I seem to remember buying from a company called "3D Cool"? or such.
 

 
The rest of my stuff:
 
Windows 10 home
Asus VS229 21.5 inch monitor
Evga RTX 2800 Super with 441.41 drivers.  (55c to 55c idle min/max on hardware monitor on for three hours no ames played yet tonight)
620 Watt Power Supply   (Have a evga Bronze 750 watt shipping now to replace)
Creative Labs X-Fi Sound Card
Gigabyte z270P-D3 Mb  (27c to 44c on Hardware monitor min/max idle)
i7700k  (27c to 54c on Hardware monitor min/max idle)
16 Gig Ram 2133 set to 2400 with XMP
Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm 1TB  ( 32c to 32c min/max etc)
(The DVD drive is old broken junk that's unplugged that I've been too lazy to toss lol)
 
Temp in my room is about 60 degrees f,  (It's winter here in the mountains)
 
What about one of those PCI slot fans above or below the RTX?  Also I'm willing to spend up to 150 bucks on a new case that comes with QUIET (I hate fan noise) fans already installed that would be superb for this setup? I was googling last night but I am so indecisive.  Anybody have a good recommendation on what they use?
 
Update:  Late last night When turning on vsync and limiting to 60fps  the temperature sticks around 70c, but the whole reason I got a 2800 was to prepare for 144hz gaming at 1440p with a new monitor, but if I'm stuck at 60fps why bother now?
 
 
post edited by yaggaz - 2019/12/06 20:46:57
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/06 20:56:01 (permalink)
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Thank you again for the extra advice and comments it's very much appreciated.  When you save up for a year and drop 700 for a video card it can get pretty nail biting when you worry something might be wrong.
 
Anyway the case is nearly 12 years old.  I seem to remember buying from a company called "3D Cool"? or such.
 

 

 
No offense here but as soon as I saw that image, I stopped reading the rest. (Kinda skimmed through it actually. :P)  It's really time for a new case cause these GPUs love fresh cooler ambient air and they perform faster because of it.  You could keep running till you hit the thermal wall which will result in a shutdown or restart to protect itself but that is all up to you.  Many great decent cases in the $100-$150 range to choose from or possibly even less.  I guess it all depends how much room you're looking for.

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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/06 21:15:02 (permalink)
It is time to upgrade the case my man. You are suffocating that poor card. The air flow in this case looks to be poor. Try popping off the side and see if the temps get any better. 

 
 
 
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/06 21:23:29 (permalink)
yaggaz
 
Thank you again for the extra advice and comments it's very much appreciated.  When you save up for a year and drop 700 for a video card it can get pretty nail biting when you worry something might be wrong.
 
Anyway the case is nearly 12 years old.  I seem to remember buying from a company called "3D Cool"? or such.
 

 
The rest of my stuff:
 
Windows 10 home
Asus VS229 21.5 inch monitor
Evga RTX 2800 Super with 441.41 drivers.  (55c to 55c idle min/max on hardware monitor on for three hours no ames played yet tonight)
620 Watt Power Supply   (Have a evga Bronze 750 watt shipping now to replace)
Creative Labs X-Fi Sound Card
Gigabyte z270P-D3 Mb  (27c to 44c on Hardware monitor min/max idle)
i7700k  (27c to 54c on Hardware monitor min/max idle)
16 Gig Ram 2133 set to 2400 with XMP
Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm 1TB  ( 32c to 32c min/max etc)
(The DVD drive is old broken junk that's unplugged that I've been too lazy to toss lol)
 
Temp in my room is about 60 degrees f,  (It's winter here in the mountains)
 
What about one of those PCI slot fans above or below the RTX?  Also I'm willing to spend up to 150 bucks on a new case that comes with QUIET (I hate fan noise) fans already installed that would be superb for this setup? I was googling last night but I am so indecisive.  Anybody have a good recommendation on what they use?
 
Update:  Late last night When turning on vsync and limiting to 60fps  the temperature sticks around 70c, but the whole reason I got a 2800 was to prepare for 144hz gaming at 1440p with a new monitor, but if I'm stuck at 60fps why bother now?
 
 


Holy crap....that case is a relic from a time forgotten. After seeing that I'm now thinking your thermal grease on the GPU is probably OK, you are just choking the life out of it with that case. That case has zero intake in the front and those puny fans on the side are from a time when most video cards didn't even have heatsinks on them. That case looks like it's from the late 90s early 2000s.
 
It is definitely time to buy a new case and move your gear into it. Look for something with good ventilation like the Fractal Design Meshify, Phanteks P400 or really anything at this point. SOmething with a front intake fan arrangement preferably with a mesh front. 
 
 
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/07 12:23:23 (permalink)
Haha thanks for the laughs on the case comments.   I like that one you linked, but it looks to have only one fan on the front.  Isn't ideal like two on the front, three exhausting?  Thanks.
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/07 12:30:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby yaggaz 2019/12/08 12:49:29
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Haha thanks for the laughs on the case comments.   I like that one you linked, but it looks to have only one fan on the front.  Isn't ideal like two on the front, three exhausting?  Thanks.


https://www.newegg.com/black-phanteks-eclipse-p400a-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811854086
 
This recently won the GN "case of the year" award for it's excellent air flow and overall build quality. It comes with 3 intake fans and one exhaust fan as well as a top vent for adding more fans if you want. As for "ideal" in most cases you want more intake fans than exhaust for what is known as "positive pressure". 
 
PS: If you want an idea of what it looks like with a system in it, It's the very case I'm currently using you can see pics of the inside arrangement I have on my "Mods Rigs" link in my profile. 
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/07 16:32:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby yaggaz 2019/12/08 12:49:32
Corsair, ThermalTake, NZXT and Coolermaster are other case manufacturers that design nice cases as well on top of Phanteks and Fractal Designs.  I'm sure there are more I'm missing but those are some of the common cases you see in today's builds that have nice designs.

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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/07 18:06:08 (permalink)
Wow those are some nice pics.  Amazing how the lighting can make something so effective also look so sweet, hehe.   So with that setup what type of temperature you getting on your 2080ti under load and how quiet is it?  Reasonably quiet is critical for me...
 
Oh also did some tests I think it's pretty much the nail in the coffin that my case is garbage.
 
Borderlands 3
1920x1080
Unlimited frames, vsync off, AA off, AO low,  Fog Medium:

 
Regular Closed case on

69 load CPU
84 load GPU
 

Right side of the case off
 
67 CPU
76 GPU
 
Both sides off, room fan blowing directly into case  (Idle before booting game, for the first time ever goes down to 41c from 55c)
 
68 CPU
67 GPU
 
Thanks for the case pics and those other ones named, GTXJack, time to do some review/research on these.
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/07 18:56:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby yaggaz 2019/12/08 12:49:18
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Wow those are some nice pics.  Amazing how the lighting can make something so effective also look so sweet, hehe.   So with that setup what type of temperature you getting on your 2080ti under load and how quiet is it?  Reasonably quiet is critical for me...
 
Oh also did some tests I think it's pretty much the nail in the coffin that my case is garbage.
 
Borderlands 3
1920x1080
Unlimited frames, vsync off, AA off, AO low,  Fog Medium:


Regular Closed case on

69 load CPU
84 load GPU


Right side of the case off

67 CPU
76 GPU

Both sides off, room fan blowing directly into case  (Idle before booting game, for the first time ever goes down to 41c from 55c)

68 CPU
67 GPU

Thanks for the case pics and those other ones named, GTXJack, time to do some review/research on these.

My card tops out at about 55C load at 2100Mhz give or take 50Mhz from GPU boost. I usually run my fans in their quiet profile for gaming and general use. It is quiet but not absolutely silent (nothing with fans is) but it is very quiet in general.
 
Um I don't wanna be harsh but the final nail in your case's coffin should have been about 10-15 years ago. It's time to let that one go man. I can't for the life of me fathom why you would drop $700 on a GPU and put it in a case that old and with no ventilation. 

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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/07 19:24:56 (permalink)
Have a look at this:
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/07 21:43:40 (permalink)
55? That's jawdropping for under load. Considering mine is idling at that lol!!
 
Yeah I agree, just me being ignorant of air flow and not researching it enough.   The funny thing is I watched that video and was soaking all the info in before I came back to check here.  It wasn't until he shows the two temperature comparison charts that I pleaded with my wife to net let my card die and go order a P400A asap ;)  It was a tossup between that and the Coolermaster.
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/07 22:00:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby yaggaz 2019/12/09 19:59:10
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55? That's jawdropping for under load. Considering mine is idling at that lol!!
 
Yeah I agree, just me being ignorant of air flow and not researching it enough.   The funny thing is I watched that video and was soaking all the info in before I came back to check here.  It wasn't until he shows the two temperature comparison charts that I pleaded with my wife to net let my card die and go order a P400A asap ;)  It was a tossup between that and the Coolermaster.


You made a good choice. The P400A is a very good case and if GN awards it their best case overall for the year it’s no small feat as they are very hard on their gear. let us know how it goes when you get it all up and running. 

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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/07 22:40:06 (permalink)
The P400A RGB looks amazing if that's the one you got but regardless, it's a great budget case for its design.  I can see your 2080 SUPER smiling from here.  

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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/07 23:15:28 (permalink)
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The P400A RGB looks amazing if that's the one you got but regardless, it's a great budget case for its design.  I can see your 2080 SUPER smiling from here.  


Smiling? You mean pleading for its life? 

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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/07 23:47:05 (permalink)
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The P400A RGB looks amazing if that's the one you got but regardless, it's a great budget case for its design.  I can see your 2080 SUPER smiling from here.  


Smiling? You mean pleading for its life? 




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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/08 00:22:24 (permalink)
I saw that picture and thought that you were messing around... You were really serious! HAHA. How could you know enough to buy a 2080, but not to buy a new case with better airflow?
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/08 15:18:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby yaggaz 2019/12/09 19:58:48
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55? That's jawdropping for under load. Considering mine is idling at that lol!!
 
Yeah I agree, just me being ignorant of air flow and not researching it enough.   The funny thing is I watched that video and was soaking all the info in before I came back to check here.  It wasn't until he shows the two temperature comparison charts that I pleaded with my wife to net let my card die and go order a P400A asap ;)  It was a tossup between that and the Coolermaster.




My 2080 Ti hybrid idles at 26C and games at 50-55C, but it's an optimized setup and using 4K 60Hz vsync.
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/08 16:39:08 (permalink)
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I saw that picture and thought that you were messing around... You were really serious! HAHA. How could you know enough to buy a 2080, but not to buy a new case with better airflow?




Never had a heat problem with the last 5 video cards over the 12 years or so.   For my part, Just lack of research on the 2800  I guess?  No biggie, it'll all be good (I hope) when my new case gets here.
 
On another random thought, somebody had mentioned the room temperature needing to be cool too?  I think if the day comes that we also need our house air conditioned to stop video cards from burning out we'll have reached a high level of insanity 
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/08 16:43:07 (permalink)
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My 2080 Ti hybrid idles at 26C and games at 50-55C, but it's an optimized setup and using 4K 60Hz vsync.




Wow impressive.   My next monitor will be a 1440p one but I get the sinking feeling 144hz gaming might be out of my cooling league.
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Re: 2800 Super 84c under load / 55c idle 2019/12/08 23:52:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby yaggaz 2019/12/09 19:58:30
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I saw that picture and thought that you were messing around... You were really serious! HAHA. How could you know enough to buy a 2080, but not to buy a new case with better airflow?




Never had a heat problem with the last 5 video cards over the 12 years or so.   For my part, Just lack of research on the 2800  I guess?  No biggie, it'll all be good (I hope) when my new case gets here.
 
On another random thought, somebody had mentioned the room temperature needing to be cool too?  I think if the day comes that we also need our house air conditioned to stop video cards from burning out we'll have reached a high level of insanity 


 
All depends on the GPUs you used.  They were probably lower powered GPUs while the 2080 SUPER you have here is rated @ 250w.  Basically what the high end GPUs were all those years.
 
Since you're still on 1080p, I'd make sure to cap your FPS to your screen's refresh rate which should help lower the thermals as well otherwise your GPU will be wasting energy and creating more heat for nothing.
 
Once you get the 1440p 144hz, you can unleash the beast. lol

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