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If you have a 2080ti upgrading to a 3080 gets you a 30% boost. That's just not that exciting.
I was planning to get the 3090 because that would be a 50% boost. But does paying double for that extra 20% make sense? Do we evever need 24GB of VRAM?
If I sell my 2080ti for $300 or $400 the 3080 costs me $400 or $300 and I get a 30% boost.
Should 2080ti owners just wait for a 3080ti?
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 09:28:35
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Correction, 3080 gets you at 25% boost which shrinks to 10-15% when you run 2080 Ti at the same power draw as the 3080: https://youtu.be/oTeXh9x0sUc?t=1423 With that 330W on the 2080 Ti OC the 3080 @ 330w was 10-15% ahead" - Steve @ GN The only upgrade path is the $1500 3090. This is basically Turing all over again with the most expensive card the only upgrade path. Jim is correct, the 3090 is basically a 2080 Ti all over again +$300. They did it again yet are cheerleaded by the mindless masses. See: https://www.overclock.net/threads/nvidias-dumbest-decision-adoredtv.1773304/
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 09:33:23
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I wouldn't even bother with a 3090.
Seeing as the 3080 FE is already so bottlenecked by the CPU, there is no way the 3090 is worth that $1500 asking price.
It's likely only useful for ML and probably rendering.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 09:39:41
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I wouldn't even bother with a 3090.
Seeing as the 3080 FE is already so bottlenecked by the CPU, there is no way the 3090 is worth that $1500 asking price.
It's likely only useful for ML and probably rendering.
Bottlenecked by the CPU? In what games outside of MFS 2020? 3090 will be roughly 20% faster than the 3080. I have no CPU bottleneck problems in VR nor at 3440x1440 with the 2080 Ti and this 2080 Ti is only 6.6% slower than a 3080 at factory clocks: 16,700 Timespy GPU vs 17,800 = 6.6% And I'm running 8700k @ 5.1 GHz, DX12 and Vulkan take advantage of additional cores but yeah, considering no real IPC uplift between Coffee Lake and Comet Lake this is as good as it gets outside of DX12 and Vulkan titles. I hardly have any games that present a CPU bottleneck. The only ones that do are: Assassins Creed: Odyssey (no longer playing) XCOM 2 (certain maps) Rage 2 engine games (i.e. The Evil Within 2, no longer playing)
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 09:43:25
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I'm grabbing mostly for hdmi 2.1 specs and im going put my 2080ti in another system. I know its not that great of an upgrade but i have LG CX so i wanna take advantage of the hdr 4k 120hz.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 09:46:57
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I think I will be dumping my 2080 Ti for a 3090 at this point. While the 20% increase is good enough to push 60fps @ 4k in pretty much every benchmark I saw, it's just barely there. If a 3090 will get over 60fps for the next 1-2 years then it's worth it to me. The biggest question that lingers for me is getting a reference board version like the Zotac, just doing air cooling with the FE or an AIB water cooled card.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 09:49:24
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It's sad but it's the only upgrade path.
$1500 (before taxes for FE if you can get one, roughly $1750 after taxes for a FTW3 if it releases at $1650 or so, including the 5% associates code discount) for ~35% bump in rasterization up and over overclocked 2080 Ti @ the same TDP.
Golf clap.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 09:51:00
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The way I see it is that I am going from a 2080TI to a 3080. The reason I am doing that is because I was lucky enough to bail out of my card and make a profit on it. However, would I have been stuck with the 2080 TI and still own it at its current value, I would absolutely keep it and wait for the next series. So my personal conclusion for any TI owner is absolutely wait for at the very least a SUPER to come out and make it worth the investment. Once you get AMD in the mix, you may see a accelerated launch.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 09:56:45
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I wouldn't even bother with a 3090.
Seeing as the 3080 FE is already so bottlenecked by the CPU, there is no way the 3090 is worth that $1500 asking price.
It's likely only useful for ML and probably rendering.
@1080p maybe lol. But if you are getting 3080/3090 for 1080p gaming you should evaluate your sanity 😂.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 10:01:43
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The way I see it is that I am going from a 2080TI to a 3080. The reason I am doing that is because I was lucky enough to bail out of my card and make a profit on it.
However, would I have been stuck with the 2080 TI and still own it at its current value, I would absolutely keep it and wait for the next series.
So my personal conclusion for any TI owner is absolutely wait for at the very least a SUPER to come out and make it worth the investment.
Once you get AMD in the mix, you may see a accelerated launch.
I agree with this! Everyone should wait so I can get my hand on the card first 😂😂😂😂
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 10:07:01
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The way I see it is that I am going from a 2080TI to a 3080. The reason I am doing that is because I was lucky enough to bail out of my card and make a profit on it.
However, would I have been stuck with the 2080 TI and still own it at its current value, I would absolutely keep it and wait for the next series.
So my personal conclusion for any TI owner is absolutely wait for at the very least a SUPER to come out and make it worth the investment.
Once you get AMD in the mix, you may see a accelerated launch.
How is upgrading from 2080 Ti to 3080 any different than paying $800 to "upgrade" from 1080 Ti to the 2080? The 3080 is really only an upgrade for someone with a 1080 Ti or 2080. 2080S is pushing it.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 10:14:37
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I7GTX
The way I see it is that I am going from a 2080TI to a 3080. The reason I am doing that is because I was lucky enough to bail out of my card and make a profit on it.
However, would I have been stuck with the 2080 TI and still own it at its current value, I would absolutely keep it and wait for the next series.
So my personal conclusion for any TI owner is absolutely wait for at the very least a SUPER to come out and make it worth the investment.
Once you get AMD in the mix, you may see a accelerated launch.
How is upgrading from 2080 Ti to 3080 any different than paying $800 to "upgrade" from 1080 Ti to the 2080?
The 3080 is really only an upgrade for someone with a 1080 Ti or 2080. 2080S is pushing it.
You are correct. My post was more intended for anyone on a 2080TI not necessarily a 1080 to 2080 per-say, I should have clarified. I was justifying why I was going from a 2080 TI to a 3080 and that was because I made profit from the transition. (very rare occasion) and I don't have a video card at the moment lol!. Certainly anyone struggling on a 1080 or 2080 could see this as a huge upgrade as it is. Certainly if you're gaming at 4K or above this would be ideal as well. Going from a 2080TI to a 3080 ehhh is it worth it? That's where I'm at.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 10:19:48
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I hardly have any games that present a CPU bottleneck. The only ones that do are:
Assassins Creed: Odyssey (no longer playing)
XCOM 2 (certain maps)
Rage 2 engine games (i.e. The Evil Within 2, no longer playing)
Digital foundry said in his benchmark video that we have reached a point where "advances in GPU performance are outstripping the CPU. IPC boosts from AMD and Intel would be nice..." I'm not just making this up. The 3080 right now is going to be held back by the CPU. He's running with a 10900k, so I'm sorry to say, but your 8700k is definitely going to be bottlenecking a 3080. A 3090 isn't even worth purchasing at this point other than trying to have a big 3D mark score. Game engines need to be better optimized at this point.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 10:31:35
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Should 2080ti owners just wait for a 3080ti?
I'm further optimizing my 2080 Ti and sitting tight for the 3080 Ti and an LG OLED.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 10:37:28
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My 2080ti is 5-10% slower than a 3080 and only pulls 290-300w. Not worth the upgrade.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 10:40:13
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2080Ti owners can probably still get ~ $999. on selling at EBAY , if you hurry.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 10:42:09
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vulcan1978
I hardly have any games that present a CPU bottleneck. The only ones that do are:
Assassins Creed: Odyssey (no longer playing)
XCOM 2 (certain maps)
Rage 2 engine games (i.e. The Evil Within 2, no longer playing)
Digital foundry said in his benchmark video that we have reached a point where "advances in GPU performance are outstripping the CPU. IPC boosts from AMD and Intel would be nice..."
I'm not just making this up. The 3080 right now is going to be held back by the CPU. He's running with a 10900k, so I'm sorry to say, but your 8700k is definitely going to be bottlenecking a 3080. A 3090 isn't even worth purchasing at this point other than trying to have a big 3D mark score.
Game engines need to be better optimized at this point.
"Digital Foundry".
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 10:47:04
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 11:18:53
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 11:24:43
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☼ Best Answerby MowTin 2020/09/16 13:45:10
I mean, I always had the intention to buy the 3090 so..... seems like a fantastic upgrade.
The 2080ti hydrocopper was $1,600. I'm not shaken at all by the price of the 3090. I figure it will be a lil more once you buy a ftw3 and slap a block on it, but the performance will be more than the standard 30% you would expect gen over gen so.... All good here
Dont care about watt per watt. I want to pull maximum power regardless and just get total max performance. Should be at least 50% improvement in 4k which is huge
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 11:31:08
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 11:38:42
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vulcan1978
I hardly have any games that present a CPU bottleneck. The only ones that do are:
Assassins Creed: Odyssey (no longer playing)
XCOM 2 (certain maps)
Rage 2 engine games (i.e. The Evil Within 2, no longer playing)
Digital foundry said in his benchmark video that we have reached a point where "advances in GPU performance are outstripping the CPU. IPC boosts from AMD and Intel would be nice..."
I'm not just making this up. The 3080 right now is going to be held back by the CPU. He's running with a 10900k, so I'm sorry to say, but your 8700k is definitely going to be bottlenecking a 3080. A 3090 isn't even worth purchasing at this point other than trying to have a big 3D mark score.
Game engines need to be better optimized at this point.
Digital Foundry is probably owned by NV at this point. They were the only outlet to have permission to release specially curated benchmarks two weeks early that all showed the 3080 ~70-90% faster than the 2080 (45-65% faster than 2080 Ti). DF had most definitely done the 3DMark benchmarks, the Port Royal benchmarks that everyone did today showing that no, actually the 3080 is only ~25% faster than 2080 Ti and that disparity shrinks to 10-15% when you run 2080 Ti at the same power draw (ON AIR). That's the way the business world works, Nvidia is a multi-trillion dollar company, they can easily buy out a tech-tuber. Anyhow, that's funny that youre telling me that because DF said the 3080 was held back by 10900k that that is a factual statement. No-one else has made this statement, GN, LTT, Hardware Unboxed, literally no-one has pointed out any kind of CPU bottleneck in their testing. And that's interesting, youre going to tell me that my 2080 Ti under full water block at 2100 MHz, 7900 MHz memory @ 1.055v @ 375w that is 7% slower than the 3080 at default clocks has a CPU bottleneck problem and I'm playing at 3440x1440, not even 4K. 8700k has the same IPC as 10900k. This 8700k @ 5.1 GHz 0 AVX with Spectre and Meltdown mitigations disabled (you can't disable these mitigations on an Intel CPU beyond late 2017 as they are at the BIOS level) is good for another 100 MHz. So basically I have a 6 core equivalent of 10900k @ 5.2 GHz. https://youtu.be/irWFrYd3lDA I already told you what titles I see a CPU bottleneck in. I play on avg. 6 different titles a month, I have probably played 30-50 titles since owning my 2080 Ti. A CPU bottleneck is present in 4 titles. Hmmmm, let's see, GPU that is 7% slower and I have a CPU bottleneck in 4 titles out of at least 100. So lets be fair and say 5% of games are unoptimized and present this problem. The internet is interesting, if someone has an opinion based on something a paid sponsor said that overrides the first hand account of someone else who say has a GPU that is roughly equivalent of the GPU in question. Is this reddit or EVGA forum? It's hard to tell them apart anymore. Good lord the imbeciles are everywhere! You literally don't know what youre talking about.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 11:47:46
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Gamers Nexus - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTeXh9x0sUc
Digital Foundry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7FlXu9dAMU
Watch some reviews and make up your own mind. Don't take other people's word for it that are not trusted reviewers themselves and may or may not be carrying a bias.
"Try to find reviews that confirm your own bias and be sure to tell others who have proved statements made 24 hours ago before reviews went live that 3080 is only 10-15% faster than 2080 Ti at the same power draw that they are suffering from confirmation bias" Here, the best part of the GN review that you keep alluding to as though this challenges anything I stated yesterday here: https://www.overclock.net/threads/nvidias-dumbest-decision-adoredtv.1773304/ https://youtu.be/oTeXh9x0sUc?t=1423 With that 330W on the 2080 Ti OC the 3080 @ 330w was 10-15% ahead" - Steve @ GN The only upgrade path is the $1500 3090. This is basically Turing all over again with the most expensive card the only upgrade path. Jim is correct, the 3090 is basically a 2080 Ti all over again +$300. They did it again yet are cheerleaded by the mindless masses. What part of the GN review do you want us to focus on? The fact that the 3080 does 1923 MHz @ 320w? You fail to understand that this is because NV has clocked Ampere so aggressively that there remains only 7-10% overclocking headroom, unlike TU-102 which has a massive 30% headroom. Guess what happens if you run 2080 Ti FE @ 320w and turn the fan up to keep the core at the same temperature? You have ~1900 MHz! Whoa! Wow, like this is so complicated, it's like rocket science! You basically have no argument, you haven't and can't refute anything I stated, and you are resorting to ad hominem "youre suffering from confirmation bias" attacks. Digital Foundry is dead to me, they clearly sold out to NV (exclusive benchmark vids 2 weeks early, yeah NV didn't partner with them for this nor compensate them for it). Nothing from DF should be trusted at this point.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 12:11:36
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I’m getting 195k on geekbench 5 compute with a 2080ti and the 3080 is getting 210k. That’s about 5-10% improvement.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 12:29:18
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Upgrading every generation is never worth it imo. Unless you can't run a game on a 2080 Ti, then just skip this gen. If you want to upgrade something, upgrade your CPU and/or RAM instead.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 12:38:07
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No path for me and my 2080ti Kingpin. Spent over 2k total after adding the copper block. No chance I'll be selling it below $1000.
I'm fine where I'm at with my ultra wide 1440 130hz screen.
Upgrade later on if I can score a 120+ hz 4k gsync monitor.
That will prob be a full system upgrade along with it.
Hopefully a 3090 kingpin will be an option then or a 3080ti.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 12:57:42
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No path for me and my 2080ti Kingpin. Spent over 2k total after adding the copper block. No chance I'll be selling it below $1000.
I'm fine where I'm at with my ultra wide 1440 130hz screen.
Upgrade later on if I can score a 120+ hz 4k gsync monitor.
That will prob be a full system upgrade along with it.
Hopefully a 3090 kingpin will be an option then or a 3080ti.
I agree with you...I just sold my Kingpin with block for 1100...I go on EVGA's website and they are now selling the Brand New Kingpin for 1050...So it was a painful sale...however moving forward the most they are going to be worth is yesterday lol. I have a couple of back up cards so I am going to most likely wait to see what the options are for the 3090 hydro (I don't think I am taking the dive for the Kingpin again)
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FCooley
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 13:15:58
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I was disappointed in today's benchmarks that the RTX 3080 FE is only about 15-25% over the 2080 Ti and I have an RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra so the difference will be even less. All the website benchmarks I viewed today just helped me decide to go ahead and get the RTX 3090. Also, I was surprised that RTX games did not show that much of an improvement over the 2080 Ti either; I was hoping that it would be a greater increase in RTX performance than the rasterization but I guess its not from what I've seen so far.
CPU: Intel i9-12900K Mainboard: EVGA Z690 Classified GPU: EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR5 - 32GB PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1600 T2 OS: Windows 11
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 13:33:30
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kevinc313
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Digital Foundry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7FlXu9dAMU
That review is absolute trash. He just sits there and runs random benchmarks for a half hour.
Whoa. You really don't know who digital foundry is, and you're going to say that. You're so ignorant, it's kind of sad.
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Re: 2080ti owner upgrade path
2020/09/16 13:36:16
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vulcan1978
Digital Foundry is probably owned by NV at this point.
A publicly traded company would have to disclose every bit of this. We would know if Nvidia owns them. They don't if you simply did research instead of spouting nonsense. To quote yourself. vulcan1978
You literally don't know what youre talking about.
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