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2019/07/09 10:07:52 (permalink)
Hi guys, so I pulled the trigger and got me one of these bad boys. I was like the Agent Smith when I installed it a few days ago, while everyone was talking about AMD and Super. Was really excited untill benching and oc'ing. So just to start the x1 oc scanner gave me a +34?!? A ftw3? Did it again, +34. Ive gotten thru benchmarks with +100 core and +1000 mem. But Shadow of the TR would crash when playing maxed out in 4k.
Also bios is in oc mode. Switched from normal and oc mode with the actual switch, no difference. The one fan is still always on. But i notice regardless of which setting, at 100% fan speed there is a dip and slight whine while the oc scanner is testing/scanning. Is this normal? Isnt this pretty much the best air card? How would i know for sure with what test to show if this card is good or not? Thanks for any incite into this.
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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/09 10:10:07 (permalink)
    Don't forget, that '+34' is added on a already high clock.  It's completely different if it were a base model with say +50-+100 and higher.  Your model will still clock higher.
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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/09 10:14:38 (permalink)
    Thanks for replying. With +34 and +1000 mem, im playing SOTR at about 2025 everything maxed out. Runs cool, (with personal fan curve going to 100% at 60°) but im reading alot of threads of 2100 and everyone getting at least +100. Granted as you said some of them are not Ftw3 but you would figure the better 2080ti of the bunch would oc better no? Just looking for answer to my situation, love this card, just wanna make sure its not a bad apple.
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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/12 09:01:28 (permalink)
    silicon lottery works in different ways, check to see what is limiting you in benchmarks using a tool like gpu-z. For example, mine gets limited on voltage and i usually play games in the 205-2070 range on the core and +1350 on the memory. I have plenty of thermal and power headroom but it doesn't make a difference 
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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/12 09:38:36 (permalink)
    Get the room cold.. run the air conditioning.

    Set all 3 fans to 100% in px1. You can only control all 3 fans with px1. (Afterburner can only co trol the single left GPU fan) Then close it px1.. the fans will continue to use those settings.

    Then open afterburner.. max the power/temp/voltage sliders. Hit the little curve picture to the left of the clock slider. Select the white dot for 1.093v and raise it to desired clock. Try 2160mhz. Then hit control L.. then hit apply to set.

    Test it 3dmark.

    Tweak the core clock up or down by 15mhz and test again. Make sure to leave the memory clock alone till you find the max clock..

    Then raise the mem clock to 2200mhz and then try to climb 50-100 till you see issues. Back the mem off 50-100 for stability.

    The cooler the card the higher the overclocks.

    The best overclocks are possible with a custom water cooled card.. temps down to under 40c

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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/22 17:58:16 (permalink)
    Hey guys just got on here, thank you for the responses.
    Its a FTW3 Ultra, 2487-KR sku. Eventually i want to get into water cooling...
    Ive have the usual suspects 3DMark, Unigine: Heaven and Superpostition, but i was really trying to get a solid 60 fps on SOTR completely maxed out with all the glory in 4k. Im obssesed with this bench. Is 60fps just not possible with out extreme cooling? Mind you im ocd and its right about 56-57fps. 
    I am however playing on a 4k sony tv with hdr 60hertz, no gsync. But you dont bench with it right? Maybe i need a gsync monitor...
    Regardless i got a 13817 on superposition 4k optimized with high textures, and full screen, dof, and motion blur enabled.
    I notice the difference in px1 and msi ab, took me a while to figure out. But i will try your tweak AH.
    Im happy for the most part, this is it when it comes to top of the line at the moment, however.
    When fans go about 90 to 100% there is a rise and a fall rhythm that is audibly noticeable, and i feel its pushing it.
    Just want to make sure this was nothing to worry about.
    Safely where i can game and not crash, with a flow as best as possible on my tv.. my best achievement is 80+ core and 1000+ memory.
    I notice my benchmarks do better when i oc the cpu as well.
    In any case im not worried, i have the 10year extension and arma. 
    I dont even game really, i mean i do, but i do everything. I take components and gear very seriously, and i just love this stuff..
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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/22 20:11:50 (permalink)
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    In any case im not worried, i have the 10year extension and arma. 
    I dont even game really, i mean i do, but i do everything. I take components and gear very seriously, and i just love this stuff..




    I'm the same way.  It's fun stuff. 
     
    Also, you'll want Gsync disabled or any frame limiter when benching.
     
     

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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/22 22:11:29 (permalink)
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    Get the room cold.. run the air conditioning.

    Set all 3 fans to 100% in px1. You can only control all 3 fans with px1. (Afterburner can only co trol the single left GPU fan) Then close it px1.. the fans will continue to use those settings.

    Then open afterburner.. max the power/temp/voltage sliders. Hit the little curve picture to the left of the clock slider. Select the white dot for 1.093v and raise it to desired clock. Try 2160mhz. Then hit control L.. then hit apply to set.

    Test it 3dmark.

    Tweak the core clock up or down by 15mhz and test again. Make sure to leave the memory clock alone till you find the max clock..

    Then raise the mem clock to 2200mhz and then try to climb 50-100 till you see issues. Back the mem off 50-100 for stability.

    The cooler the card the higher the overclocks.

    The best overclocks are possible with a custom water cooled card.. temps down to under 40c


    Can you please stop suggesting people just 'set it via afterburner curve locking voltage', it's bad for the card and gives you no beneficial gains over setting the slider manually, I already told you that before.
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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/23 06:40:12 (permalink)
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    Hi guys, so I pulled the trigger and got me one of these bad boys. I was like the Agent Smith when I installed it a few days ago, while everyone was talking about AMD and Super. Was really excited untill benching and oc'ing. So just to start the x1 oc scanner gave me a +34?!? A ftw3? Did it again, +34. Ive gotten thru benchmarks with +100 core and +1000 mem. But Shadow of the TR would crash when playing maxed out in 4k.
    Also bios is in oc mode. Switched from normal and oc mode with the actual switch, no difference. The one fan is still always on. But i notice regardless of which setting, at 100% fan speed there is a dip and slight whine while the oc scanner is testing/scanning. Is this normal? Isnt this pretty much the best air card? How would i know for sure with what test to show if this card is good or not? Thanks for any incite into this.



    Did you max out both the power limit and voltage limit sliders?  The card usually needs more power to hit higher clocks.  The power limit is the big one.  The voltage slider has a minimal impact, but it does allow the card to get up in to the 1.050+ range sometimes..
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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/23 14:30:00 (permalink)
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    Hi guys, so I pulled the trigger and got me one of these bad boys. I was like the Agent Smith when I installed it a few days ago, while everyone was talking about AMD and Super. Was really excited untill benching and oc'ing. So just to start the x1 oc scanner gave me a +34?!? A ftw3? Did it again, +34. Ive gotten thru benchmarks with +100 core and +1000 mem. But Shadow of the TR would crash when playing maxed out in 4k.
    Also bios is in oc mode. Switched from normal and oc mode with the actual switch, no difference. The one fan is still always on. But i notice regardless of which setting, at 100% fan speed there is a dip and slight whine while the oc scanner is testing/scanning. Is this normal? Isnt this pretty much the best air card? How would i know for sure with what test to show if this card is good or not? Thanks for any incite into this.



    Did you max out both the power limit and voltage limit sliders?  The card usually needs more power to hit higher clocks.  The power limit is the big one.  The voltage slider has a minimal impact, but it does allow the card to get up in to the 1.050+ range sometimes..


    Not the voltage because ive done alot of testing and personally i saw no difference. But i will try and test again to be 100%. Even when switching the bios switch, from normal to oc i really didnt notice much. I leave it on oc mode btw. Im leaning toward the silicon lottery as well as the tim job as far as my clocks and temps. The fans i just dont know if anyone else notices what i hear at 100%. And Frosty can you please elaborate on what your saying in regards to setting a fan curve in msi ab? Or locking the voltage? Im strictly using px1 at the moment even tho its a little buggy at times. I like that it controls the 3 fans which is why i have this card. But the trick with setting it in px1 and then using msi ab is something ive been playing around with now, what is the problem with that? Mostly just use it cause of the riva tuner which i think is a way better osd.
     
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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/23 15:06:11 (permalink)
    Obvious question: are you using two separate gpu power cables and are they good cables?
     
    When you run the OC scan, how far up the V/Freq curve is it when it hits power limit, and where is it when it stops the scan?  On your monitoring window graphs it shows it hitting 124% power?
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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/23 16:44:11 (permalink)
    Ok just did some tests. First is yes i have two seperate cables, they are the ones that came with the 850w power supply from tt. But im using the extra connectors (as in the second one if i only used one cable) not sure if thats an issue.. So using just px1, test 1: maxed out voltage and power% and fan speed to 100%. Ran the vf curve test. I used HWinfo64 to monitor alongside. test 2: same except i left fans on auto. Before i put the differences down i do want to point out what i saw during the tests. HW started with a perfromance limit on for utilization. As the test went on it switched back and forth from that and performance limit for power. And i notice during both tests the power % fluctuates.
    Results
    with 100 %fan = +31 with auto +32
    During i watched the max voltage go to 1,019 and max watts hit 378.
    I do want to point out that the fans sounded better on auto but they never went past 71% and temp was around 70 degrees
    About a 5-10 degree difference with each test. 
    First what is +32 and how would i apply it? +32 to core? that cant be right.
    I need to get a job with EVGA...
     
     
     
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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/23 17:50:14 (permalink)
    So i changed the cables setup. Lol... Voltage was increased. Saw 1.038 to 1.044 at times. So HW only shows two fans and there speeds one was 100% and the other was 61% but on px1 it says all three are at 100%.. so thats off. Also the fans sound horrible. The problem i described before with the fans at 100% is there along with coil whine probably from one fan that doesnt want to cooperate. When its on auto or with/when all three at 70% no problem. So it could be a software issue. Regardless ran the same two tests as before and the results were Auto = +31 and fans at 100% which doesnt sound good at all = +34 this time +2!!! So i got nowhere with changing the cables with the additional .030ish increase in voltage. And im back at the drawing board unless a mod or someone can give any insight. Otherwise my main suspects are the tim job, silicon lottery, the software or maybe i got a defect. I will find out! lol    
     
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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/23 23:04:35 (permalink)
    Its all in how the card handles stuff, can't get stable folding on mine if I bump it up over 50.  So I just leave it stock.  So folding clock is 1930.  But when I play allot of games it is running 2050 to 2070 since they are not hitting the card as hard as folding core 22 does.
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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/24 05:55:51 (permalink)
    Lots of good testing info, sound like you've gotten as much as you're going to out of the scanner.  Maybe just manually clock it to +50 and hit some of the more demanding benchmarks.  Otherwise, you're not the first to get a large OC out of FTW3 cards.
     
    Oh yeah, did you have your memory OC'd when scanning....?
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    Re: 2080 ti ftw3 help 2019/07/30 17:54:24 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone for their feedback. I havent replied for a little because i think i was too excited and have been just posting and going on without exactly knowing everything. 
    Long story short nothing is wrong with the card, not checking the tim till i watercool it or something. Im in the average batch, i can get +100 +1000 in most games. Seeing 2100+. but actual is 2025-2080 depending on the game or benchmark. 80% heavy custom curve. 4k everything maxed out 68* max is all i ever saw in temps. All cables are not created equal and how you use the cable exactly has a part to play in it. Whatever bad assumption about connecting the cables. My benchmarks were better after the adjustment. However there is still something going on when i put all 3 fans at 100%. It kinda works, but not consistent and you can hear it in a wave fashion. Im not assuming anymore, i dont know. But if i had to guess, im guessing max or lack of power or software and that one fan always spinning. One of those things or something is preventing it from being normal like when they are at 80. Regardless, very happy camper atm.
     
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