Spirit_Rises
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Hi guys i am deciding to buy an Evga RTX 2080 or 2080 TI black edition.I am going to pair with my ryzen 2700x. Does it worth paying more for 2080 TI black edition over RTX 2080 XC Gaming? and does my ryzen 2700x bottleneck any of those cards? thanks in advance. EDIT: i am upgrading from Evga GTX 980 TI classified i am playing at 1440p monitor.
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/17 01:21:00
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What GPU are you upgrading from?
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/17 01:26:08
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Based on your system configuration the RTX 2080ti would give you slightly better performance especially at higher resolutions. If you're only gaming on a 1080p resolution then the RTX 2080XC would be more than enough in my personal opinion.
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/17 01:39:27
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icslowmo What GPU are you upgrading from?
i am upgrading from Evga GTX 980 TI classified i am playing at 1440p monitor.
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/17 02:03:35
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rjohnson11 Based on your system configuration the RTX 2080ti would give you slightly better performance especially at higher resolutions. If you're only gaming on a 1080p resolution then the RTX 2080XC would be more than enough in my personal opinion.
i am playing at 144HZ 1440p monitor. Acer ED323QUR
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/17 04:07:32
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Went from a 980Ti classified to a 2080 Ti FTW3 on a 1700 @ 4ghz for 4k, does great.
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/17 05:37:37
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I started off with a evga 2080 xc and stepped up to the 2080ti XC Black. Depending on what quality of playback and visual display you are looking for, and can afford, you can easily max out a 2080 xc. That said, the card performed great but not at max settings. You are using a 2k monitor at 144hz so I'm assuming display quality is important. The 2080 will be at its max with this display mode and game max settings. I had to scale back some settings on the 2080 xc to maintain the best play and quality. With my 2080ti XC Black I have everything at max/ultra settings (every setting at max-all of them) and still have room to go on the card, but my ancient CPU cant handle anything more (I've limited frame rates to either 60 or less than 120 depending on the game). I could not do this with the 2080 xc. One other consideration to take into account. Not sure how much RAM you have, but the 2080 series and game software will allocate system memory to the video card if needed. Ram is always allocated to some extent but at high demands the allocation can become rather large. The extra 3GB of RAM in the 2080ti will help considerably. I replaced my 12GB sticks with 24GB sticks and I no longer have the system RAM drained of resources during high demands. You will be more disappointed having a 2080 and great performance than with a 2080ti and super performance with headroom for future innovations.
post edited by dc8flyer - 2019/02/17 05:39:44
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/17 05:41:22
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dc8flyer I started off with a evga 2080 xc and stepped up to the 2080ti XC Black. Depending on what quality of playback and visual display you are looking for, and can afford, you can easily max out a 2080 xc. That said, the card performed great but not at max settings. You are using a 2k monitor at 144hz so I'm assuming display quality is important. The 2080 will be at its max with this display mode and game max settings. I had to scale back some settings on the 2080 xc to maintain the best play and quality. With my 2080ti XC Black I have everything at max/ultra settings (every setting at max-all of them) and still have room to go on the card, but my ancient CPU cant handle anything more (I've limited frame rates to either 60 or less than 120 depending on the game). I could not do this with the 2080 xc. One other consideration to take into account. Not sure how much RAM you have, but the 2080 series and game software will allocate system memory to the video card if needed. Ram is always allocated to some extent but at high demands the allocation can become rather large. The extra 3GB of RAM in the 2080ti will help considerably. I replaced my 12GB sticks with 24GB sticks and I no longer have the system RAM drained of resources during high demands. You will be more disappointed having a 2080 and great performance than with a 2080ti and super performance with headroom for future innovations.
i have 32gb of system ram.So what about the difference between the other 2080 TIs like ftw3 etc. Do they really make a difference? at which gpu clock speeds are you using your 2080 TI Black?
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/17 07:02:28
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Spirit_Rises i have 32gb of system ram.So what about the difference between the other 2080 TIs like ftw3 etc. Do they really make a difference? at which gpu clock speeds are you using your 2080 TI Black?
I game on a 1440p monitor at 120hz. I also have a Ryzen 2700x and 32GB RAM. With that said, I've been juggling around graphics cards quite a bit since upgrading to the 20 series about a month ago. I started off with a 2080 XC Ultra and while it performed just fine and OCed well, it ran hot (reaching over 84 Celsius during longer BF5 sessions) and I had to max out the fans to keeps temps low. It was obnoxiously loud and I found it very distracting. I returned that card and picked up a 2080 FTW3 Hybrid liquid cooled card from EVGA. This card has been great as far as staying cool and quiet. However, as dc8flyer explained very well, after spending this much on an upgraded GPU I've found it a bit disappointing to have to turn down graphics settings to "high", and some settings even down to "medium", in order to keep performance at it's maximum level. Especially with new big titles getting released that are quite GPU demanding, such as Metro Exodus, Far Cry New Dawn and Anthem. Because of this disappointment, I went and picked up a 2080 ti Black. However, like my first 2080 XC Ultra, this card got very hot and the fans were loud, trying to keep it cool. So I returned that one within a day with the initial plan to remain content with the 2080 Hybrid. But, as I started to get into Metro Exodus yesterday and found that I've got to turn some big graphics settings down to get a perfectly smooth experience, I decided that it's just silly to spend as much money as I have, building this new rig, just to skimp out on the the GPU. So as soon as Microcenter opens today, I'm taking the plunge on a 2080 ti FTW3 Ultra and returning the 2080 Hybrid. The 2080 ti FTW3 Ultra is the most pricey of the 2080 ti options. However, it has the most efficient air cooling setup with huge heat sink and 3 fans. I've read/seen great things about it's cooling capabilities while remaining quiet and since it's a FTW3, it has excellent overclocking abilities to boot. Aside from running hot, even in stock form, the 2080 ti Black has the non-"A" chip and is very limited in it's OCing abilities compared to a FTW3 card. So take from that what you will and everyone's financial situation is different. But my conclusion is to stop trying to beat around the bush and save money on arguably the most crucial system component and just go for the one I know I wanted all along, anyway. A couple solid videos on the 2080 ti FTW3 Ultra... JayzTwoCents: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEo99mdKh7wGamers Nexus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhmryCQAqiE
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/17 07:44:06
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Spirit_Rises
dc8flyer I started off with a evga 2080 xc and stepped up to the 2080ti XC Black. Depending on what quality of playback and visual display you are looking for, and can afford, you can easily max out a 2080 xc. That said, the card performed great but not at max settings. You are using a 2k monitor at 144hz so I'm assuming display quality is important. The 2080 will be at its max with this display mode and game max settings. I had to scale back some settings on the 2080 xc to maintain the best play and quality. With my 2080ti XC Black I have everything at max/ultra settings (every setting at max-all of them) and still have room to go on the card, but my ancient CPU cant handle anything more (I've limited frame rates to either 60 or less than 120 depending on the game). I could not do this with the 2080 xc. One other consideration to take into account. Not sure how much RAM you have, but the 2080 series and game software will allocate system memory to the video card if needed. Ram is always allocated to some extent but at high demands the allocation can become rather large. The extra 3GB of RAM in the 2080ti will help considerably. I replaced my 12GB sticks with 24GB sticks and I no longer have the system RAM drained of resources during high demands. You will be more disappointed having a 2080 and great performance than with a 2080ti and super performance with headroom for future innovations.
i have 32gb of system ram.So what about the difference between the other 2080 TIs like ftw3 etc. Do they really make a difference? at which gpu clock speeds are you using your 2080 TI Black?
If you are looking at the Black edition just be aware that there is a 2080ti Black and a 2080ti XC Black. The XC model has the 300A chip that you can better overclock. Differences between 2080ti's of course vary in HxWxL so pay attention to what your case can't accommodate. My personal opinion is that the higher end cards will perform better especially with benchmarking but practical gaming use any 2080ti will give all you need. If you are constantly looking at the performance stats as opposed to enjoying the game, then go for the most expense card on the market, buy water cooling, etc.., so you wont be disappointed. If you want to enjoy the great graphics and smooth play with RTX DXR and all that, any 2080ti will be fine. The recent DLSS release is also card dependent and unless you are running 4k you wont have access to DLSS using a 2080ti card. Not a big deal as the 2080ti can use the more demanding settings that provide better quality than DLSS. DLSS will help lower tier cards increase fps so that they can up their display quality settings. Everyone OC's to get the best they can out of the card they have, but you can run the 2080ti at stock speeds and not see the difference. Some will of course disagree as everyone's perception is different. I definitely get a better display image doing what you are doing and that is running the monitor at a higher refresh rate. That takes a bit more effort on the 2080ti but it can handle it without overclocking. I have had my card OC'd with these settings. Memory +1400 (((1250))) for BF5 Clock +170 Voltage 100 Power +120 It is stable with most games except Battlefield 5 so I dropped the card down to what is in parenthesis above. Setting PrecisionX1 to max settings and hoping for the best does, or for me did not produce the best mix. I saw better performance varying each setting over a period of a few weeks while tweaking other stuff. I have also dropped the voltage as low as 80 and power to 100 and saw no quality degradation while gaming. Lower settings from there started to affect fps. The 2080ti xc Black is the lower end as far as stock settings but you can easily OC it to a FTW stock settings and save money and you wont be disappointed. In fact you will be happy you did not spend the extra money. You will be much more satisfied with the 2080ti model. If you are familiar with EVGA's Step-up program you would have noticed the three month delay due to the high demand from 2080 owners stepping up to the 2080ti. EDIT: Final tweak as of today now gives me a graphics score of 15,454 and a Core Clock of 2,115 MHz up there with the FTW3 and beyond. GPU-z also had a GPU Core Clock of 2130 MHZ. nice
post edited by dc8flyer - 2019/02/18 11:47:17
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/17 07:50:11
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i want to ask one more thing.When i look at the clock speeds, i see that the boost gpu clock speed of the black edition is 1560mhz.When i google about this card everyone is talking about that they achived 1900-2100mhz clock speeds.Is that possible? at least 1850mhz? can i get at least 1800mhz or more with a simple overclocking? for example +160mhz does this will be added to the boost clock which is indicated as 1560mhz? is it going to be 1720mhz?
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/17 09:02:41
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Spirit_Rises i want to ask one more thing.When i look at the clock speeds, i see that the boost gpu clock speed of the black edition is 1560mhz.When i google about this card everyone is talking about that they achived 1900-2100mhz clock speeds.Is that possible? at least 1850mhz?
can i get at least 1800mhz or more with a simple overclocking?
for example +160mhz does this will be added to the boost clock which is indicated as 1560mhz? is it going to be 1720mhz?
You would have 1800MHz even without Oc'ing once gaming and the load on the card increases. We are talking about "BASE" speeds, not the maximum ability of the card. The 1900-2100MHz is during game play and GPU clock speed registered on PX1 or MSI software. So no, no one is adding 440MHz to the base clock for a 2100 Boost that I'm aware of. You would crash immediately. For me anything nearing 200MHz on the GPU would not work. +170 on the GPU base clock gets me to 2115MHz briefly at times playing BF5 looking at PX1 with the speeds I posted earlier. What displays on GPU-Z is just the sum total of the base clock of the card and any additional MHz you add. Doesn't mean it is stable or would work at all. I don't have my card maxed out on the PX1 settings since that mix did not work for me and you don't really have to max the card out to get the same quality of play. Each card will OC differently but yes, you will easily get to 1800. The 2080ti XC Black base clock is 1560 plus the 170 additional MHz added by me for a base Boost of 1730. The FTW is base at 1755 I believe so anything added to that would give you a new base Boost clock speed for the FTW. The FTW will OC better but again for the money you wont notice any difference in game play but will have better benchmarks. If all you want is at least 1800MHz for the new base clock the 2080ti XC Black wont work. That would be adding 240MHz and I have not seen anyone doing that. For the FTW base to get to 1800MHz base you would only have to add 45Mhz to the 1755 to get there. So the FTW is a better card, more expensive, can achieve a higher base clock, but visually while playing games wont do anything more for you. And this is just my opinion based on enjoying the game and not so much for enjoying higher benchmarks. https://forums.evga.com/RTX-2080-TI-FTW3-Owners-Post-your-performance-results-m2872352-p5.aspx#2920296
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/17 20:46:38
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I bought the evga 2080ti black and the accompanying waterblock. Runs dead cool and the precision X1 app provides significant overclocking of memory and gpu. It’s probably the best low priced option out there right now.
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/18 05:37:50
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rossterman2016 I bought the evga 2080ti black and the accompanying waterblock. Runs dead cool and the precision X1 app provides significant overclocking of memory and gpu. It’s probably the best low priced option out there right now.
can you please share the overclocking details like how much gpu core mhz did you add and which water block did you buy? thanks in advance
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Re: 2080 or 2080 TI for Ryzen 2700x
2019/02/18 12:23:53
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And the most important thing is that does it worth paying that much money upgrading from 980 ti classified to 2080 ti Black edition in terms of performance?
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