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2020/07/11 23:20:41 (permalink)
I have pretty much exclusively playing Warzone the past couple of months and always sat around 62-65°C. I just installed Windows feature update 2004 and NVIDIA driver 451.67 (previously at 446.14) and all the sudden I am sitting at a solid 49°C. All my settings are the same: 1440P / 144Hz / Render resolution 100 / All settings max / RTX disabled. I have the new hardware-accelerated GPU-scheduling disabled in Windows. At first I thought the GPU read in Warzone was inaccurate but I get the same thing in Precision X1 and HWiNFO 64. 
 
Did the Windows 2004 update and new NVIDIA driver really have this big of an effect on my temps? I can't believe it could be that significant, but the actual air coming out of my PC doesn't feel as hot. I must be overlooking something...
 

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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/11 23:34:05 (permalink)
    If you're getting the same performance it really doesn't matter imo.


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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 00:10:33 (permalink)
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    If you're getting the same performance it really doesn't matter imo.




    Believe me, I am not complaining! It's just that it seems too good to be true. I just wondering if I am overlooking something because a 15°C temperature drop from just Windows & GPU driver updates is unheard of.

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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 00:29:10 (permalink)
    Custom fan curve wasn't activated, and now it is maybe?


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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 00:41:18 (permalink)
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    If you're getting the same performance it really doesn't matter imo.




    Believe me, I am not complaining! It's just that it seems too good to be true. I just wondering if I am overlooking something because a 15°C temperature drop from just Windows & GPU driver updates is unheard of.


    What are your GPU clocks and have you check your game FPS? Have you run any benchmarks? Generally speaking, a large temp drop like that means the GPU is not boosting correctly.

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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 09:00:50 (permalink)
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    What are your GPU clocks and have you check your game FPS? Have you run any benchmarks? Generally speaking, a large temp drop like that means the GPU is not boosting correctly.

    I think you are right. I ran a 3D Mark Time Spy test and compared it to results from January (all same hardware and settings): https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/12968140/spy/10398729#
     

     
    The higher score on the right from January only has the GPU clock marginally higher at 2,040 MHz (1,650 MHz) compared to the current test at 2,025 MHz (1,650 MHz). Could that be causing this? I have never overclocked in Precision X1 nor do I use any other overclocking software, I always just let the card do its thing. Should I change something in Precision X1?
     
     

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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 09:28:20 (permalink)
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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 10:36:17 (permalink)
    15 mhz isn't a problem at all. Did you have v-sync disabled when you ran the benchmark?


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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 11:01:06 (permalink)
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    15 mhz isn't a problem at all. Did you have v-sync disabled when you ran the benchmark?

    Yes V-Sync and G-Sync were disabled for just the purposes of benchmarks, I think 3D Mark requires you to do this for valid results. For all intents and purposes all my settings are the same from before. The only thing that's changed is the Windows 2004 update and the NVIDIA 451.67 driver that I'm aware of. By the way, to answer your question from before the custom fan curve has always been set the same. I actually check it every time I boot up to make sure the X1 profile loads correctly.
     
    Do you think reinstalling Precision X1 should have any affect? I can try to roll back the NVIDIA driver to see if that does anything.
     
    Thanks for your guys' help, this has definitely not happened in the 8 months of owning this card.
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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 11:04:01 (permalink)
    Don't think reinstalling x1 will do anything for you. Let us know how the older drivers work.


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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 11:18:59 (permalink)
    Guys, are you sure that 2080 super should get 11000 gpu score on default settings?
    According to precision screenshot, power limit is 100%.

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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 11:36:04 (permalink)
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    Guys, are you sure that 2080 super should get 11000 gpu score on default settings?
    According to precision screenshot, power limit is 100%.


    Is that too low, or high? Seems to line up with more of the average results of similar hardware:
     
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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 11:52:14 (permalink)
    Is your PC next to an A/C outlet .. being summer your A/C may be running more versus the Heat in January ?
     
    Room temp is an important bit of information when looking at hardware temps.
     
    If your setting & performance are the same - then yes, probably the OS & driver updates .... I've seen temp go up with new drivers.  So, its possible they could go down
     
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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 11:56:46 (permalink)
    A lot has changed between January and now with comparison. Different drivers, windows updates, the thermal paste on your GPU could be degrading, fans/coolers could be getting dust filled. Lots of variables. I have seen Nvidia drivers make a difference but that's a big difference.




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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 12:20:39 (permalink)
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    Is that too low, or high? Seems to line up with more of the average results of similar hardware:
     

    I don't know, is it low or high.
    I see that 11500 is "average".

    Same thing on 2080 ti - 14500 is "average".

     
    But I know, that 14500 could be achieved only with maxed power limit instead of default settings. And results higher than that is maxed power limit + overclock.
    And that shows that most 2080 ti users that leaved 3dmark result used that high power limit instead of default settings. And that could be same for 2080 super.
     
     
    So it could be that you just maxed out your powerlimit one day (because it is easy and kind of "must have" settings) and forgot about that. And now for some reasons your settings is lost - that could explain lower temperatures and performance.
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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 13:06:38 (permalink)
    If you're getting the same and or better performance but decrease in temps, that's a win-win in my book. 
     
    As stated it could be a lot of variables in play here.  Better ambient temps (A/C) and or improvement in optimization not needing the GPU to work as hard prior.

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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 13:15:16 (permalink)
    3dmark score went down from 11500 to 9000, so something changed in performance and thats why gpu is much colder...
     
    It seems that my theory is wrong too. I tried to run mine 2080ti on default 260w and got 14500.
    **and that is a bit strange because non overclocable rog strix had about 15000-15500 with maxed powerlimit (~330w) and little overclock. Well, that was kind of bad 2080ti (at least could not hit 2000mhz and stuck at 1950ish). But I thought that 14500 is maxed power while without it it should be around12500.
     
    You could try to run 3dmark test on maxed out powerlimit, but it feels that you will not achieve 11500 and there is something wrong in your system. But there is slight chance that touching powerlimit will fix something :)
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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 14:01:52 (permalink)
    Well... I'm not sure what happened, but I deleted my Precision X1 profile and reloaded it, then went back into Warzone and I am back to my 65°C temps. Seems like everything is back to normal.
     
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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 15:12:08 (permalink)
    Px1 issue. 😡

    Glad you fixed it.


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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 18:20:43 (permalink)
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    Well... I'm not sure what happened, but I deleted my Precision X1 profile and reloaded it, then went back into Warzone and I am back to my 65°C temps. Seems like everything is back to normal.
     
    Thank you to everyone for your input.





    If those were your settings, I can see why your temps were lower. You were limiting your power to 100% max.

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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 18:54:09 (permalink)
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    Well... I'm not sure what happened, but I deleted my Precision X1 profile and reloaded it, then went back into Warzone and I am back to my 65°C temps. Seems like everything is back to normal.
     
    Thank you to everyone for your input.





    If those were your settings, I can see why your temps were lower. You were limiting your power to 100% max.

    That wasn't the reason. Buggy px1 was the issue.


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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 21:58:09 (permalink)
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    Well... I'm not sure what happened, but I deleted my Precision X1 profile and reloaded it, then went back into Warzone and I am back to my 65°C temps. Seems like everything is back to normal.
     
    Thank you to everyone for your input.



     



    If those were your settings, I can see why your temps were lower. You were limiting your power to 100% max.

    That wasn't the reason. Buggy px1 was the issue.

    I disagree  based on the evidence posted which fits the drop. You can argue again if you like.
    "Don't think reinstalling x1 will do anything for you. Let us know how the older drivers work."
     You have a low batting average.
     
    Ho hum.
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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 22:01:40 (permalink)
    Sorry, but going from 100% power to max power doesn't add 16c to a card. I know as I had an air cooled 2080 ti. I'll just let the op inform you of that too.


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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/12 22:02:50 (permalink)
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    I disagree  based on the evidence posted which fits the drop. You can argue again if you like.
    "Don't think reinstalling x1 will do anything for you. Let us know how the older drivers work."
     You have a low batting average.
     
    Ho hum.


    Yeah, I should have known better because px1 isn't very good, and has been known to cause issues. That is why I don't run it myself.


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    Re: 2080 Super FTW3 huge temperature drop. What is happening? 2020/07/13 00:13:54 (permalink)
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    I disagree  based on the evidence posted which fits the drop.

    No, it doesn't. 3dmark score drop was ~30%, which can't be explained by lowering powerlimit from 130% to 100%: there is no linear relationship between performance and power consumption. Plus it seems that 11500 is average score for 100% 2080S.
     
     
    For example:
    66% - 13500 - -13%
    100% - 15500 - +0%
    124% - 16000 - +3% (card without overclock don't get powerlimited often in 3dmark with both 100% and 124%)
    124% OC - 16900 - +9% (and you actually need overclock to use that powerlimit, but still no linear relationship and it can't be anyway: efficiency is always less than 100% and it get worse with overclocking)
     
    So it feels like actual power limit was not 100%, but much lower. And touching it in px1 actually fixed that.
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