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2020/02/24 04:15:31 (permalink)
I'm kind of disgusted that partners are still power limiting GPUs.

What's more disgusting is they're doing it on a XC Ultra, what's the point of getting a pre binned GPU, having a custom pcb and power... And then nurfing it in to the ground with limits?

There is legit people with 2070 supers at £50 less getting over 2.1ghz and I struggle to maintain 2ghz.

What's the deal? Because support doesn't give a crap, which isn't looking promising for future EvGA purchases.
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 05:09:40 (permalink)
    Clock speed isn't everything.

    A RTX 2070 at 2100 MHz is still slower than a RTX 2070 Super at 2000 MHz.

    So don't get too carried away and return your RTX 2070 Super and exchange it for a RTX 2070; you will probably be unhappy in the end.
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 06:00:41 (permalink)
    Get a kingpin .
    You'll be fine then .

    Mainly a bit of exotic cooling using an ice bucket 
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 07:16:02 (permalink)
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    I'm kind of disgusted that partners are still power limiting GPUs.

    What's more disgusting is they're doing it on a XC Ultra, what's the point of getting a pre binned GPU, having a custom pcb and power... And then nurfing it in to the ground with limits?

    There is legit people with 2070 supers at £50 less getting over 2.1ghz and I struggle to maintain 2ghz.

    What's the deal? Because support doesn't give a crap, which isn't looking promising for future EvGA purchases.



    A few things. 
     
    1.  2070 SUPERs aren't bined or on custom PCBs UNLESS it's a FTW3 as the FTW3s are on custom PCBs otherwise, you're on a standard reference PCB with a beefed up cooler and possibly slightly higher advertised clocker than the some of the others.  What are the other 2070s SUPERs are you basing it on?
     
    2.  Are your temps holding you back?  Nvidia Boost calls the shots.  The cooler the better till diminishing returns but you won't know the full capabilities until you try and even than, it might not be what you expected.  
     
    3.  It could be silicon lottery and the other GPUs are just lucky.  That's how it works, yes.  EVGA won't replace a current GPU when it's working as advertised.  Anything after that is all luck and that goes with ALL brands of GPUs here including the 2080 Ti.

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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 07:38:29 (permalink)
    You're missing the point somewhat.

    The point was its got restricted / reduced power limits which restricts the OC.

    The only solution to that is the BIOS which is why he suggested it.
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 07:44:06 (permalink)
    On to your points:
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 08:11:26 (permalink)
    OC is Never Guaranteed - Just the advertised speed
     
    Are you looking at the GPU-Z sensor tab while testing ? (shows what your card is "limited by")

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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 08:20:28 (permalink)
    I've only built PC's for over 24 years, I know nothing at all about GPUs or overclocking them or PC's for that matter.

    What I really wanted in life was someone posting something as silly as "ocs aunt guaranteed"

    When we're talking about restricted power limits, like it's some welfare blower card from some Chinese maker.
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 08:24:06 (permalink)
    NVidia has to approve the power limits in the bios for every partner, so NVidia may be limiting the partners.

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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 09:14:43 (permalink)
    That would be related if they didn't sell ones with the same limits as the founders edition already.

    And partners should straight out refuse to sell their cards if they can't have the same power limits as the founders.
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 13:06:19 (permalink)
    1) Nvidia dictates what max power limit their GPU is allowed
    2) Nvidia has to sign off on every BIOS a AIB creates for a Nvidia chip product in their lineup
    3) Nvidia encrypts the BIOS they approved so it cannot be modified by the end consumer
    4) Nvidia specified AIBs can only up max power limit past Nvidia specified on cards denoted as over clocked versions and then only to the limit Nvidia approves during BIOS validation
    5) Any AIB Nvidia partner that refuses to sell Nvidia product because they do not agree with Nvidia rules or goes against Nvidia's rules will no longer be an Nvidia partner..............
     
    See the pattern here? Nvidia is the only one to blame and complain about here. Has really nothing to do with EVGA, their hands are tied by contractual obligation.
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 13:16:12 (permalink)
    You're clueless, evga sells gpus at the founders edition power limits.

    They have neglected to do it for this one.

    If EVERY partner stands up to them they'd have no one making GPUs for them.
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 13:28:42 (permalink)
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    You're clueless, evga sells gpus at the founders edition power limits.

    They have neglected to do it for this one.

    If EVERY partner stands up to them they'd have no one making GPUs for them.



    Nope, actually you're clueless. 
     
    Read everything he just stated 10 more times.  Maybe that'll get through.
     
    I hope the increase in size and bold font helps.
     
    jonkrmr
     
    1) Nvidia dictates what max power limit their GPU is allowed
    2) Nvidia has to sign off on every BIOS a AIB creates for a Nvidia chip product in their lineup
    3) Nvidia encrypts the BIOS they approved so it cannot be modified by the end consumer
    4) Nvidia specified AIBs can only up max power limit past Nvidia specified on cards denoted as over clocked versions and then only to the limit Nvidia approves during BIOS validation
    5) Any AIB Nvidia partner that refuses to sell Nvidia product because they do not agree with Nvidia rules or goes against Nvidia's rules will no longer be an Nvidia partner..............
     
    See the pattern here? Nvidia is the only one to blame and complain about here. Has really nothing to do with EVGA, their hands are tied by contractual obligation.


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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 13:31:47 (permalink)
    They sell a 2070 Super with the FE power limits not the gimped one like mine, so do many other partners.

    It think you need to brush up on what you *think* you know.
    post edited by Sajin - 2020/02/24 13:36:06
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 13:46:52 (permalink)
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    I've only built PC's for over 24 years, I know nothing at all about GPUs or overclocking them or PC's for that matter.

    And you failed to realize that Turing is temp and power dependent.........?
    And you failed to check the power limit of the card you bought before you bought it.............?

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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 13:49:57 (permalink)
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 13:54:38 (permalink)
    They do not state power limits on GPUs.

    If you had bothered to read Gamers Nexus states this is a pre binned chip with a custom pcb and power delivery.
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 14:00:36 (permalink)
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    You're clueless, evga sells gpus at the founders edition power limits.

    They have neglected to do it for this one.

    If EVERY partner stands up to them they'd have no one making GPUs for them.


    EVGA and all other AIB's sell Nvidia GPUs at Nvidia founders edition power limits, and over Nvidia founders edition power limits, and under Nvidia founders edition power limits. Not sure what your point is here.
     
    EVGA decided, not neglected to set the power limit where they did on that model card for what reason? Who knows but I am sure they had a valid business reason to.
     
    LOL, keep hoping but will never happen as the Nvidia partners are businesses and businesses are in business to make money. Committing manufacture suicide by alienating a huge GPU manufacture like Nvidia is not the best way to make money, let alone stay in business.
     
    Really, where can they go if they do not want to deal with Nvidia? AMD? Intel? Good luck with that.
     
    Sounds to me like you are bitter because you failed to do your homework\research on the model of card you bought before you ran out and bought it........
     
     

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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 14:01:06 (permalink)
    If you wanted a high powered card , why didn't you buy a RTX ti ?
    A kingpin or FTW3 .
    You are expecting the performance of a Ferrari in a mini

    Mainly a bit of exotic cooling using an ice bucket 
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 14:10:36 (permalink)
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    They do not state power limits on GPUs.

    If you had bothered to read Gamers Nexus states this is a pre binned chip with a custom pcb and power delivery.

     
    The manufacture does not but you can find a listing of BIOSes on techpowerup that you can look at the the power limit of. Yours is there along with many others from many manufactures including Nvidia founders edition BIOSes
     
    THEY are not really pre-binned chips! They are only A variant chips which Nvidia has validated as fully functioning chips off the best part of the silicon wafer. Nvidia has made no claim or validated these "A" chips will overclock better than non "A" chips. They are not "binned" in the fashion you use the term as.
     
    The XC Ultra IS a reference PCB design. The only reason it might be said not to be is because there is an extra fan and RGB header on the PCB that is not reference and could cause a fitting issue with aftermarket coolers\water blocks.
     
    The XC Ultra has a reference VRM design, reference layout PCB.

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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 14:11:09 (permalink)
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 15:13:25 (permalink)
    Again you know nothing.

    The 2070 Super XC Ultra doesn't have an "extra fan", it's a 2 fan unit.

    @spit are you delusional? How am I expecting the performance of a ferrari from a mini?

    My GPU is the 2nd Highest spec 2070 Super EVGA sells. You realise there's like 4 or 5 sub models to this right??

    Expecting any form of intelligence here is a joke, it's worse than LTT forums.

    And yes, it's had to do ones homework when EVGA has such little information on their website, and Partners should be forced to state power limits in the description.
    post edited by IonstormEU - 2020/02/24 15:16:18
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 15:42:28 (permalink)
    I'm sorry, but can I butt in for just a second. Please feel free to ignore me and continue arguing if you want......

    If every bios has to be signed off on by Nvidia, what does it mean for me to have an "unverified" bios, as per techpowerup site? Is it just them having not verified it yet?

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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 15:45:52 (permalink)
    I would assume not verified by someone at TPU.

    Also BIOSs can be edited anyway so this whole cry about them being locked is a joke anyway.
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 16:02:49 (permalink)
    Correct, the BIOS can be edited but you cannot flash an edited BIOS to the card. This is where the encryption on the BIOS comes in.......
     
    This is why users flash BIOSes from other cards to their card on Turing based products to get a higher power limit.
     
    If you don't believe me, try editing your BIOS and then try flashing your edited BIOS to your card...............

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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 16:22:55 (permalink)
    It's a 2070 what did you expect .

    Mainly a bit of exotic cooling using an ice bucket 
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 17:46:15 (permalink)
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    Also BIOSs can be edited anyway so this whole cry about them being locked is a joke anyway.

    Yes you can edit the BIOS with the tools available to the general user base but you cannot flash a modded BIOS to the card.
     
    Nvidia's encryption on the BIOS which they do when they validate a BIOS for their own or AIB cards will not allow the modded BIOS to be flashed to a card.
     
    But as you stated previously, I know nothing..........

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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 17:49:12 (permalink)
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Mainly a bit of exotic cooling using an ice bucket 
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 18:05:09 (permalink)
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    That sounds like a challenge.

    Good luck!  It's been 4 years, and no one has been able to do it.
     
    Err, to clarify, you can modify the BIOS, you can fix the checksum, it CAN work, but you can't use NVFlash to flash it to your video card.  You have to use a hardware programmer to reprogram the EEPROM to get around the NVFlash encryption issue.
     
    Good read in this readme:
    https://github.com/LaneLyng/MobilePascalTDPTweaker/releases
     
    I use a minipro tl866 programmer.  I haven't flashed EEPROMs with it, but I know that it would work for that too, with the correct adapters and/or probes.  Instead, I use it for programming micocontrollers.
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    Video about the programmer:
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    ^^ Definitely worth the watch.  He knows his stuff and is very thorough.  Not just your standard review.
     
    If you do buy the minipro programmer, make sure that you download the updated software from the website.  More than likely, the software which comes with it will be out of date.  At least mine was out of date, and so was Dave's in the video above. I got it from autoelectric's website.  Something like autoelectric.cn or something, I think.  I can't remember... Anyway, if you don't download the updated software, you will run into issues (like he did in the video).  I watched his video first and that's how I knew that I also needed the updated program.  Version 6.50 is what I have.  In Dave's video above, his came with version 5.80 of the software (so did mine), and that version 5.80 has a lot fewer chips it was compatible with and some pretty serious bugs.  Again, he covers it in his video.
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    Re: 2070 Super XC Ultra Power Limit 2020/02/24 18:08:00 (permalink)
    Sounds interesting.
    I'll have a go .

    Mainly a bit of exotic cooling using an ice bucket 
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