Def makes me think they are clearing the shelves for a newer technology, but that's just the cynic in me probably.

I just wish there was a easier less time consuming way to move to a new system drive.
 

 To bad the same is not true for the overpriced graphics cards.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/278109-manufacturers-struggle-to-improve-qlc-nand-as-yields-sit-below-50-percent

These ultra cheap SSD’s are a disaster waiting to happen. The reliability of these devices goes down exponentially the closer you pack in storage on that matrix. You will literally have more reliability with a spin disk over QLC.

While SLC is overkill for most (the Military *insists* on SLC storage) 2-bit is still very good (see: Samsung Pro series).

I would place reliability of storage (and speed) at the very top of my priorities in a system. Others may differ...

Just an fyi. There are tradeoffs.

veganfanatic

MasterMiner
These ultra cheap SSD’s are a disaster waiting to happen. The reliability of these devices goes down exponentially the closer you pack in storage on that matrix. You will literally have more reliability with a spin disk over QLC.

While SLC is overkill for most (the Military *insists* on SLC storage) 2-bit is still very good (see: Samsung Pro series).

I would place reliability of storage (and speed) at the very top of my priorities in a system. Others may differ...

QLC have been vetted in data centers and they work better than expected so a consumer can be confident that Intel is able to offer an SSD that works, the QLC makes the bill of materials lower which everyone likes
 
The controller is sophisticated and the 660p have more logic than many rivals to secure data and boost speed
 
 

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/278109-manufacturers-struggle-to-improve-qlc-nand-as-yields-sit-below-50-percent

“...Low yields would explain why Micron launched enterprise QLC drives before its consumer counterparts. Because there’s a trade-off between how many bits of data you store per cell of NAND flash and the durability of the drive, TLC NAND debuted in consumer systems first, before making its way towards higher-end markets. When we spoke to Intel at the launch, the company stated that it was able to put QLC into enterprise products because better NAND flash profiling and the sheer capacity of higher-end products made it possible to deal with the reduced number of P/E (program/erase) cycles without compromising enterprise-class reliability. Both of these statements are likely true, but poor yields could still have made an enterprise launch more financially attractive...”

Datacenters include multiple levels of real time time back-up and mirroring. Your workstation or laptop doesn’t.

Yes, you could RAID 0 / 1 your drives... but if they’re both crappy?

veganfanatic
Intel worked with SMI to come up with a solution to poor performance with QLC. It works and it can get some speed to boot windows fast. Most of the work is making writes faster.

I agree there is a market. And I am sure speeds have come up. But no way around lower lifecycles.

Would recommend people be aware of trade-offs depending on use case.

No reason to go below 1TB. But price of bigger is higher.
Now is available and WD Black NVMe 1TB, better than Samsung 970 EVO I think.
230 euro is for now in my region.
 
I would like to know is it possible to show up some models with 5000/4000 speed, not 3500/2800 as now.
Or that's not possible with technology at the moment?

Vlada011
No reason to go below 1TB. But price of bigger is higher.
Now is available and WD Black NVMe 1TB, better than Samsung 970 EVO I think.
230 euro is for now in my region.
 
I would like to know is it possible to show up some models with 5000/4000 speed, not 3500/2800 as now.
Or that's not possible with technology at the moment?

I went with a 512 970 pro. All my long term storage is across 10g network to a raid 5 nas. I only store applications locally.

Hopefully this means we will see the size of SSD drives increasing and 1TB or 512GB become the starting point. It’s still not uncommon to see 128GB SSD for which is just too small.

awalleyeguy
 To bad the same is not true for the overpriced graphics cards.

Graphics cards are an ever changing market of improvements. While prices don’t drop 50% in a year the improvements have been close to 50% improvements per generation.

wmmills
Def makes me think they are clearing the shelves for a newer technology, but that's just the cynic in me probably.

It's not being a cynic, it's a realization that the world is out to get you and this is just one of the attack vectors lol.  Not trying to flame ya as I'm every bit the cynic.  I get paranoid when  things like this happen.

 
Some brands have certainly dropped prices hugely, but you get what you pay for with quality. A few years back I purchased some cheap SSDs, and of course both crapped out, plus were much slower than advertised. They were some sort of OCZ rebranded generic crap. I stick with more reputable brands since then - mostly Samsung. Having said that, I purchased a 1TB Samsung 860 EVO (2.5") a couple of weeks ago for just under $150 at Amazon, that's a lot cheaper than it used to be.
 
 

I went with two M.2 970 pro this upgrade period.  I'm pleased with how fast things work.   Took some older ssds and put them into older computers to give them some pep and retired the hard drives as backups.    I remember saying to a buddy in 1997 that someday we would have solid state hard drives of large capacity.   Exciting times. 

Unfortunately, I feel after say 6-12 months, lots of products are sold out or just out of stock with only the snake oil scalpers selling them at a gouged price.
 
I will jump in once 2 TB SSDs are in the $100 range.

wmmills

Holdolin

wmmills
Def makes me think they are clearing the shelves for a newer technology, but that's just the cynic in me probably.

It's not being a cynic, it's a realization that the world is out to get you and this is just one of the attack vectors lol.  Not trying to flame ya as I'm every bit the cynic.  I get paranoid when  things like this happen.

Lol, flame away!! After watching the soap opera that the pc industry has become in the last 30 years sometimes you just get a hunch when you see stuff like that.

Totally agree with ya there.  Honestly it's a lesson I've tried to teach each of my kids.  Not paranoia perhaps, but when a deal is "too good to pass up" it should warrant a closer look.  Maybe it's a good deal maybe it's not, but for the love of all things good just look and research.