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2011/11/22 09:13:06 (permalink)
I run bf3 with everything on ultra etc etc except msaa off. When msaa is on I get in the 40s sometimes. I would love to get another 580 because I am a technology junkie like most people here, and the thought of seeing 2 580s next to each other on my mobo kind of makes me drool , but its really hard for me to justify dropping another 500 for 4Xmsaa. If BF3 is the future of graphics, and a 580 handles it with flying colors, shouldn't it be able to handle games at highest settings for a looooong time? Lets face it, most PC games are console ports anyways and are a joke to run on a 580 (cept the metro people) and even companys like dice who take the time to maximize the eye candy as much as possible, the 580 still cuts through it like butter. I guess the most logical way of thinking is that most companies wont update the graphics to really test a 580 until the new consoles are released, but even then I feel like a 580 will still be better then the next version of 360/ps3. Keep in mind I am only talking about the 580 @1920x1080p and I have no plans on getting a higher res monitor or using 2 for gaming.
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:15:19 (permalink)
so you have 1 580 or 2?

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:18:00 (permalink)
I have 1 but I lust for another


 
 
 
 
 
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:18:26 (permalink)
1 580 will handle most all games. 2 580s would be prefered to own any game in sli. one thing to note is that you may want the 3gb version, since alot of games seem to be pushing the vram max past 1.5gb now. I would say get as many 580 3gb gpus you can and have fun junkie.
 
teaser...lol  :)  and there all 3gb gpus

I say go for it, they look so damn pretty :)

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:19:10 (permalink)
Overkill is in the eye of the beholder IMHO.  I run 2 580s myself, and they do great.  If you are playing CS 1.6, then yeah, thats just "because I can" however that should get your settings up to where you want them in BF3.  I think it will give you the performance you want, but I can't tell you if it is worth the money for you.  I can say it was for me, and no regrets here.
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:19:40 (permalink)
in bf3 having 2x580s in sli is night and day compared to just 1...with the single card with everything maxed i dip into the 30-40s during heavy fighting...and with 2 it never goes under 70 normally around 90-120 since i run with vsync on my 120hz monitor and this is on a 1920x1080 screen
 
so for me the 2nd 580 was definitely worth the extra cash

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:21:16 (permalink)
I think were all just limited by money...lol otherwise overkill or not, we would all run the max number of gpus just because we can.

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:23:20 (permalink)
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1 580 will handle most all games. 2 580s would be prefered to own any game in sli. one thing to note is that you may want the 3gb version, since alot of games seem to be pushing the vram max past 1.5gb now. I would say get as many 580 3gb gpus you can and have fun junkie.

teaser...lol  :)  and there all 3gb gpus

I say go for it, they look so damn pretty :)

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:23:55 (permalink)
Little Sister 

one thing to note is that you may want the 3gb version, since alot of games seem to be pushing the vram max past 1.5gb now. I would say get as many 580 3gb

 
I have the 1.5 gb version. You do make a valid point about the vram issue. So if I get another, and lets pretend that a game need 2 gb of vram for ultra settings, will 2 580s cover that ammount of vram? Like will one cover 1gb of it and the other handle the other gb of it?


 
 
 
 
 
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:32:36 (permalink)
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in bf3 having 2x580s in sli is night and day compared to just 1...with the single card with everything maxed i dip into the 30-40s during heavy fighting...and with 2 it never goes under 70 normally around 90-120 since i run with vsync on my 120hz monitor and this is on a 1920x1080 screen

so for me the 2nd 580 was definitely worth the extra cash


Yea I get 30-40 sometimes with 4xMSAA. If i turn it off and just use the FXAA i am always above 60. I just look at it like getting another 580 just for 1 setting which I dont even really notice a difference with it on.


 
 
 
 
 
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:32:56 (permalink)
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one thing to note is that you may want the 3gb version, since alot of games seem to be pushing the vram max past 1.5gb now. I would say get as many 580 3gb


I have the 1.5 gb version. You do make a valid point about the vram issue. So if I get another, and lets pretend that a game need 2 gb of vram for ultra settings, will 2 580s cover that ammount of vram? Like will one cover 1gb of it and the other handle the other gb of it?


a 1.5gb gpu will only ever be 1.5gb no matter that fact you have 2 gpus at 1.5gb or not. im sure you will be fine with 1.5gb 580's, but many of us have seen issues with vram limitations lightly with them. SLI does not scale the vram, so you would not have 3gb of vram in sli.

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:35:42 (permalink)
also i think 2 580's murder any game tbh. 3 is overkill...lol  but i have my personal reason for the 3 way. im skipping kelper gpus so i wanted to tank up on my gpu horse power for future games. if you were to get another 580 1.5gb i think again you will be fine. my old 480 sc 1.5gb gpus handled every game perfect. i did notice in crysis 2 though a small bit of lag with the ultra setting and hd textures and i know know why. with the 3gb gpus i have now i see crysis 2 scales to 1.6-1.8gb of vram. i assume the same issue with BF3 in most cases, but it will not really render any game unplayable.

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:36:42 (permalink)
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1 580 will handle most all games. 2 580s would be prefered to own any game in sli. one thing to note is that you may want the 3gb version, since alot of games seem to be pushing the vram max past 1.5gb now. I would say get as many 580 3gb gpus you can and have fun junkie.

teaser...lol  :)  and there all 3gb gpus

I say go for it, they look so damn pretty :)

not as pretty as u are Lil sis ;)


off topic, but TY

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:43:44 (permalink)
im not the best at the details for gpus, but other will chime in with there opinions and specs as well im sure.

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:49:06 (permalink)
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Little Sister 

one thing to note is that you may want the 3gb version, since alot of games seem to be pushing the vram max past 1.5gb now. I would say get as many 580 3gb


I have the 1.5 gb version. You do make a valid point about the vram issue. So if I get another, and lets pretend that a game need 2 gb of vram for ultra settings, will 2 580s cover that ammount of vram? Like will one cover 1gb of it and the other handle the other gb of it?


a 1.5gb gpu will only ever be 1.5gb no matter that fact you have 2 gpus at 1.5gb or not. im sure you will be fine with 1.5gb 580's, but many of us have seen issues with vram limitations lightly with them. SLI does not scale the vram, so you would not have 3gb of vram in sli.

 
nVidia will optimize the drivers to work with the game regardless the amount of vram.  That is why many are not having a issue with two 550's in SLI @ 1080p on BF3.  I am running two 580's 1.5gb versions nVidia drivers never made use of the vram above 1.5 @ 2560X1600 which is close to double 1080p.  It was steady between 1.3 and 1.4 vram usage.  Ran butter smooth on highest game settings (not nVidia Control panel settings).  Many with 550's, 560's 570's in SLI's are not having any issues. 
 
That said, SLI is the sweet spot for smoothness.
 
Go with 3gb version only is you are going to have 3 monitors in nVidia Surround or doing 3D gaming.  That is where the 3gb is really needed as nVidia will optimize the drivers for the game in question.
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:51:31 (permalink)
that is also very true. 3gb gpus should be best used with tripple monitors and 3d vision ect.

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 09:56:59 (permalink)
go for an another 1.5g,  3gb is overkill for 1200p or 1080p
 
bf3 run at max ultra and 4*msaa as the 3gb version , exact gameplay, graphics ... no benefits from the 3gb just more e penis :)
and 1.5gb is a little faster compared to 3gb at 1080p
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 10:02:41 (permalink)
kalyyy

go for an another 1.5g,  3gb is overkill for 1200p or 1080p

bf3 run at max ultra and 4*msaa as the 3gb version , exact gameplay, graphics ... no benefits from the 3gb just more e penis :)
and 1.5gb is a little faster compared to 3gb at 1080p


not e penis...lol (which dont apply to me, hmmmm wont what mine would be :P)
if you run 3 monitors then its a must.

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 10:05:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Ya, the only 'trend' I have been noticing in games is from the game developer themselves.  They will 'not allow' certain graphic settings including resolutions if you have such-n-such graphic card installed (like a 512mb 8800gt).  They may downsize due to speed, other features and/or vram.  This is a good thing as it prevents the user from having a miserable experience with the game, but just something to beware of when considering what level of graphic card you want to invest in.  I haven't heard any games that downsize in-game graphic settings from the 3gb to 1.5gb version though, but could be some day.  I think I would probably have a Kepler before at GTX 580 1.5gb needed settings turned off by the game developer.

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 10:22:04 (permalink)
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kalyyy

go for an another 1.5g,  3gb is overkill for 1200p or 1080p

bf3 run at max ultra and 4*msaa as the 3gb version , exact gameplay, graphics ... no benefits from the 3gb just more e penis :)
and 1.5gb is a little faster compared to 3gb at 1080p


not e penis...lol (which dont apply to me, hmmmm wont what mine would be :P)
if you run 3 monitors then its a must.

 
Ironically you have one of the biggest **DELETED** here :)
 
post edited by Afterburner - 2011/11/22 11:30:57
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 10:26:11 (permalink)
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kalyyy

go for an another 1.5g,  3gb is overkill for 1200p or 1080p

bf3 run at max ultra and 4*msaa as the 3gb version , exact gameplay, graphics ... no benefits from the 3gb just more **DELETED** :)
and 1.5gb is a little faster compared to 3gb at 1080p


not e penis...lol (which dont apply to me, hmmmm wont what mine would be :P)
if you run 3 monitors then its a must.


Ironically you have one of the biggest **DELETED** here :)




post edited by Afterburner - 2011/11/22 11:30:24

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 11:01:14 (permalink)
Oh hell naw. Mine is MUCH bigger. (Zohan accent) It's the biggest!
 
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 11:09:27 (permalink)
nothing is overkill, in 2-3 years it will barely be enough to play games at medium

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 11:18:07 (permalink)
This has kind of been gone over in a few other threads. Ans a few folks refuse to allow themselves to understand how all of it works.
 
Here is a little read of one of my responses trying to help...
 
http://forums.evga.com/fb.ashx?m=1333989
 
As many have mentioned... overkill is up to the user. All of us have different needs.
 
I think any high end single card is overkill for most. SLI is the same in my mind. But for those looking to get the most out of "Their" experience and system abilities... What they spend they $$ is dictated by their own pocketbook and wants... Not ours.
 
It is a fact that more Vram is the future. Pay a little more now... Or pay a lot more later. Each user has to make that choice...

 
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 11:19:19 (permalink)
And folks... Keep it clean. Some of you need to read the TOS again

 
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 11:29:43 (permalink)
yes but  it's not the case for 1080p or 1200p.
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 11:41:41 (permalink)
kalyyy

yes but  it's not the case for 1080p or 1200p.

Sorry man. You are not correct in this comment. I have tried to help. Everyone can have a difference of opinions. Facts on the others hand are facts...
 
 

 
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 11:44:09 (permalink)
hmmm..... let's see... Think I'll take my advice from the one with more experience.
 

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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 11:57:16 (permalink)
ok i said i will take a screenshot of BF3 (ultra + 4*MSAA) with a 1.5gb version and a 3gb version we will see if there are some graphics differences. But when a 1.5gb max his vram (around 1500mo not 1536mo) on BF3 and a 3gb hit 1600-1700mo at the same place i will take a screen and ask the bf3 dev Rep on twitter ;) It's just a memory leak, no real benefits from the 3gb and the settings will not be reduced (we will see on the screens..)
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Re:2 580s in sli overkill for 1080p? 2011/11/22 12:07:01 (permalink)
bf3 on ultra on my gtx 480 sli easily puts me at 1450+ vram usage. So instead of buying another card with the same vram, I would wait for either the next gen, or pick up a 3gb 580 and go from there

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