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Hi all, My EK water blocks and other gear for my water loop are arriving. I have a question for all you experienced water loop guys. I ordered some extra hard tubing and a few extra fittings so I could practice bending and fitting, ect.... I assembled a small test loop and it doesn't leak but it doesn't seem it takes too much force to pull the tubes out of the compression fittings, is that the norm? Both the tube and fittings are 16mm OD btw. Just want to make sure that is how it is supposed to be before I spray liquid all over my PC gear. Thanks for any info
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/17 20:29:21
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Hello, did you purchase fittings designed for hard tubing?
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/17 20:35:10
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EVGATech_MDecker Hello, did you purchase fittings designed for hard tubing?
Yes, I used the EK loop configurator and they are the fittings they put in my cart
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/17 20:36:27
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What is the brand of fittings and what is the chemical composition of the tubing? It makes a difference. In general, yes, I would say that it is rather normal for the tubing to pull out rather easily. It shouldn't fall out, but, it can be pulled out. Try to design your loop in ways that will make it harder or less likely for the tubing to pull out. Also, in my experience, the tubing becomes harder to be pulled out as time passes. At least for PETG. Acrylic maybe not. But, you really shouldn't be using acrylic in the first place due to fatigue cracking and poor lifespan. ASSUMING that you are using PETG tubing, tighten up the fitting and leave it for a day or two. Then, check again. Harder to pull out after a couple days? In my experience, after some time has passed, the PETG tubing slowly collapses where the o-ring is pressing in, and the tubing becomes hard to pull out once that occurs.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/17 20:58:53
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ty_ger07 What is the brand of fittings and what is the chemical composition of the tubing? It makes a difference. In general, yes, I would say that it is rather normal for the tubing to pull out rather easily. It shouldn't fall out, but, it can be pulled out. Try to design your loop in ways that will make it harder or less likely for the tubing to pull out. Also, in my experience, the tubing becomes harder to be pulled out as time passes. At least for PETG. Acrylic maybe not. But, you really shouldn't be using acrylic in the first place due to fatigue cracking and poor lifespan. ASSUMING that you are using PETG tubing, tighten up the fitting and leave it for a day or two. Then, check again. Harder to pull out after a couple days? In my experience, after some time has passed, the PETG tubing slowly collapses where the o-ring is pressing in, and the tubing becomes hard to pull out once that occurs.
Thanks, they are EK fittings and I am using the petg tubing that I purchased from them. In fact, I purchased everything from them other than fans and fluid since there were out of the pastel white I want to use. The tube is snug and takes some force to pull out, just wanted to make sure that was the norm since I never used them before.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/20 09:32:08
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ty_ger07 What is the brand of fittings and what is the chemical composition of the tubing? It makes a difference. In general, yes, I would say that it is rather normal for the tubing to pull out rather easily. It shouldn't fall out, but, it can be pulled out. Try to design your loop in ways that will make it harder or less likely for the tubing to pull out. Also, in my experience, the tubing becomes harder to be pulled out as time passes. At least for PETG. Acrylic maybe not. But, you really shouldn't be using acrylic in the first place due to fatigue cracking and poor lifespan. ASSUMING that you are using PETG tubing, tighten up the fitting and leave it for a day or two. Then, check again. Harder to pull out after a couple days? In my experience, after some time has passed, the PETG tubing slowly collapses where the o-ring is pressing in, and the tubing becomes hard to pull out once that occurs.
I didn't know that about acrylic tube Ty_ger. Great info! SHow us your handy work when your done AngryAce, with a Mods rig profile.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/20 09:42:45
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One day, I still want to create an PETG or Acrylic Tube Based Cooling Rig. Maybe next year with the new X299 Platform I will give it a shot. Keep us Posted AngryAce on your Build or as some call it Assembly.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/20 10:21:39
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I like PETG as well. The acrylic fractures and fatigues like Ty_ger mentioned.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/24 11:39:17
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Dumb question time.... Can you flip the fans to the top of rad? Which rad did you go with??
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/24 21:36:58
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notfordman Dumb question time.... Can you flip the fans to the top of rad? Which rad did you go with??
Well, after writing a nasty gram to EK, they politely informed me that the fans are supposed to go on the top and the front of the case, which was backed up by a very nice diagram. So I had to eat crow and admit my ignorance. While they can go up there, I have some Corsair RGB fans I want to use and I would like to be able to have the lightning effects inside the case. I will have to exchange them for their PE series radiators.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/27 17:27:16
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If that's what you want, it sounds and looks like you will definitely need a slimmer radiator. How much space do you have for total clearance up top?
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/28 14:45:50
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rlb9682 If that's what you want, it sounds and looks like you will definitely need a slimmer radiator. How much space do you have for total clearance up top?
The max clearance is about 65mm or so. I could have used their PE series which are 38mm plus 25mm fans would have been 63mm but I opted for their slim series and I like the way it sits in the case with the fans. The other problem is, I am a novice at this. I used the EK custom loop configurator which it seems gives you just the bare bones parts you need. I am finding that I am needing to order other fittings. The tube coming off the cpu block isn't long enough to reach the radiator on the front of the case because of the bends needed. I am having to order some additional fittings, a few 90 degree fittings and a drain valve system. I am having to figure out how to mount the combo pump/reservoir as the c-clamps wont work with it. Just a bunch of little issues that an experienced water loop guy would have known about is delaying my build not to mention, I have to order everything online as I live in a smaller town in Nebraska which takes several days to arrive.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/28 15:02:50
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the pump rez combos used to ship with the radiator mounting bracket but i have not ordered one from EK in about a year. Check the box for it if so you can mount it to the front rad or fans. whichever is on the inside. I have in the past used those c clamps in some weird places by drilling holes for the screws and nuts in the tray to the right of the mobo or sometime just to the left of the GPU on the rear wall inside. you can also use these to mount to the floor of the case for horizontal. maybe even the rear outside of the case. What case are you using? i cant tell from the picks but maybe a fractal define Series. i have built loops in a lot of common cases.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/28 15:05:29
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I live in seattle and I still have to order everything online as well. i feel your pain on this. Frys electronics has starting stocking thermaltake water cooling parts. if there is one near you. I do not recommend many of these parts, Radiators or fluid especially because they are junk and made of aluminum and fluids are glycol based. but can get you by with a bracket or something from them in a pinch.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/04/28 17:25:02
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ragevirusqq the pump rez combos used to ship with the radiator mounting bracket but i have not ordered one from EK in about a year. Check the box for it if so you can mount it to the front rad or fans. whichever is on the inside. I have in the past used those c clamps in some weird places by drilling holes for the screws and nuts in the tray to the right of the mobo or sometime just to the left of the GPU on the rear wall inside. you can also use these to mount to the floor of the case for horizontal. maybe even the rear outside of the case. What case are you using? i cant tell from the picks but maybe a fractal define Series. i have built loops in a lot of common cases.
ragevirusqq I live in seattle and I still have to order everything online as well. i feel your pain on this. Frys electronics has starting stocking thermaltake water cooling parts. if there is one near you. I do not recommend many of these parts, Radiators or fluid especially because they are junk and made of aluminum and fluids are glycol based. but can get you by with a bracket or something from them in a pinch.
It is a EVGA DG-86 case and it has a reservoir mounting rail but the combo pump/reservoir bracket doesn't fit correctly on it as the mounting holes are wider then the rail. I can make it work by laser cutting a Plexiglas extension or removing the rail and just mounting it directly on the back tray, just haven't decided what I want to do yet. Also, you cannot install or remove that mounting rail because the top radiator is in the way so I am leaning towards mounting to back tray. I live 45-mins from either Omaha or Lincoln but unfortunately, no Fry's Electronics or Microcenter in either city. Best Buy is about all we got and they have a very limited selection of components in general so water cooling gear is out of the question...lol Some days I am excited about getting into water cooling and other days, I wish I could just return all this gear, sell the 2 1080 Ti FE cards, slap the H115i back on the cpu, purchase 2 1080ti FTW3s and be done with it as I still have to bend the dam tubing which I am certain will be a frustrating ordeal since I haven't done it before.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/05/01 20:12:18
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rlb9682 If that's what you want, it sounds and looks like you will definitely need a slimmer radiator. How much space do you have for total clearance up top?
The max clearance is about 65mm or so. I could have used their PE series which are 38mm plus 25mm fans would have been 63mm but I opted for their slim series and I like the way it sits in the case with the fans. The other problem is, I am a novice at this. I used the EK custom loop configurator which it seems gives you just the bare bones parts you need. I am finding that I am needing to order other fittings. The tube coming off the cpu block isn't long enough to reach the radiator on the front of the case because of the bends needed. I am having to order some additional fittings, a few 90 degree fittings and a drain valve system. I am having to figure out how to mount the combo pump/reservoir as the c-clamps wont work with it. Just a bunch of little issues that an experienced water loop guy would have known about is delaying my build not to mention, I have to order everything online as I live in a smaller town in Nebraska which takes several days to arrive.
Looks really good with the slimmer radiator and it gives you the space you need. Don't sweat not knowing how to do it; it's learning experience. I think I spent about 30 hours all told just figuring out and doing the PETG tubing the first time I did it and still wasn't happy. I never am after I'm done and always look for ways to do things better. But sometimes it's a compromise between free time and convenience. I think a lot of us are in the same boat for ordering parts, I know there's no stores by me that carry anything other than basic parts so all of mine have been ordered online. Good work so far and keep at it!
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/05/01 20:15:29
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It is a EVGA DG-86 case and it has a reservoir mounting rail but the combo pump/reservoir bracket doesn't fit correctly on it as the mounting holes are wider then the rail. I can make it work by laser cutting a Plexiglas extension or removing the rail and just mounting it directly on the back tray, just haven't decided what I want to do yet. Also, you cannot install or remove that mounting rail because the top radiator is in the way so I am leaning towards mounting to back tray. I live 45-mins from either Omaha or Lincoln but unfortunately, no Fry's Electronics or Microcenter in either city. Best Buy is about all we got and they have a very limited selection of components in general so water cooling gear is out of the question...lol Some days I am excited about getting into water cooling and other days, I wish I could just return all this gear, sell the 2 1080 Ti FE cards, slap the H115i back on the cpu, purchase 2 1080ti FTW3s and be done with it as I still have to bend the dam tubing which I am certain will be a frustrating ordeal since I haven't done it before.
Seriously, if this is getting to be a big concern, just go with the soft tubing for now. It's waaay easier to build a soft tubing loop. You'll still have to work out the reservoir mounting issue but the tubing and fittings for soft tubing are much quicker to set up and get running if that's your goal.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/05/02 13:44:09
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It is a EVGA DG-86 case and it has a reservoir mounting rail but the combo pump/reservoir bracket doesn't fit correctly on it as the mounting holes are wider then the rail. I can make it work by laser cutting a Plexiglas extension or removing the rail and just mounting it directly on the back tray, just haven't decided what I want to do yet. Also, you cannot install or remove that mounting rail because the top radiator is in the way so I am leaning towards mounting to back tray. I live 45-mins from either Omaha or Lincoln but unfortunately, no Fry's Electronics or Microcenter in either city. Best Buy is about all we got and they have a very limited selection of components in general so water cooling gear is out of the question...lol Some days I am excited about getting into water cooling and other days, I wish I could just return all this gear, sell the 2 1080 Ti FE cards, slap the H115i back on the cpu, purchase 2 1080ti FTW3s and be done with it as I still have to bend the dam tubing which I am certain will be a frustrating ordeal since I haven't done it before.
Seriously, if this is getting to be a big concern, just go with the soft tubing for now. It's waaay easier to build a soft tubing loop. You'll still have to work out the reservoir mounting issue but the tubing and fittings for soft tubing are much quicker to set up and get running if that's your goal.
I'm getting it but still running into small issues. Ram is in the way for one inlet/outlet on the radiator. Bending a tube so it fits prevents the fitting being slipped on. Got the pump bracket mounted on the rail only to have the arm that goes around the pump to hold it snap in half when I tried to put the pump in. It still holds it in place so it's not that big of a deal other than I know it's broken which will bother me. So, I ordered some 45, 90 and dual 45 degree fittings to help get around that tight spot. Should arrive tomorrow or Thursday then I should be able to get this going by this weekend. I thought I stripped one of the terminal blocks on the GPU so I fashioned a loop between the 2 graphics cards and the pump. I got to practice bending tube and check for leaks :D
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/05/02 13:59:26
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i have done probably 20 or 30 Hard tube builds over the past couple of years. If you look at my mods rigs page https://forums.evga.com/photos-of-my-current-build-and-setupcaselabs-SM8-with-and-wo-pedestal-WIP-m2500319.aspx you can see the progression and multiple setups of just this one personal rig of mine. i have all the fittings rads and gear to a hard tube loop but i still decided to go mostly soft tube in this one in the end. sometimes well run soft tube looks better, its is easier to work with and easier for future upgrades. dont get put off by the bumps in the road its worth it in the end if you like the way it looks and and enjoyed your time building it. its mostly a personal achievement and aesthetics anyway. i occasionally will look through craigslist or offer up and find someone selling several hundred dollars worth of fittings for cheap because they gave up or decided to do something different etc. Also, I have used Barrow fittings in the past modmymods.com has a good selection and they are every bit as good as bitspower but a lot cheaper. Keep up the good fight!
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/05/02 19:18:21
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I have to agree about the Barrow fittings. They are very high quality and quite a bit cheaper than the competition. ModMyMods.com has a limited supply of the different styles and colors available in their store. PCCoolings on EBay also carry Barrow and you can find even more on FormulaMod via aliexpress.com. Although the wait time importing from China may be unacceptable.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
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Well, it turns out I did end up stripping the terminal on one of the GPU blocks and somehow I lost one of the O-rings for it. Everything that can go wrong is...lol. I decided to go with the 3-way terminal block instead, will all be here Friday so hopefully no more issues! ragevirusqq i have done probably 20 or 30 Hard tube builds over the past couple of years. If you look at my mods rigs page https://forums.evga.com/photos-of-my-current-build-and-setupcaselabs-SM8-with-and-wo-pedestal-WIP-m2500319.aspx
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/05/09 10:20:16
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Looks great! And yeah, you can never have too much tubing. That is a fantastic job right there, you should be proud of that. Any chance of pics with the side panel off? I'm a voyeur, what can I say?
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rlb9682 Looks great! And yeah, you can never have too much tubing. That is a fantastic job right there, you should be proud of that. Any chance of pics with the side panel off? I'm a voyeur, what can I say?
Yeah, I already fixed a few bends and still need to do a better job on the tube that is currently covered by the panel... I post new pics when I make that one better. Been several weeks with this rig up and running so I am just enjoying it for now... :D
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/05/10 10:42:47
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I hear you; once it's up and running I don't have any desire to mess with the rigid tubing for while after that :) I'm glad you're enjoying it now that everything's in place.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/05/10 19:57:42
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rlb9682 I hear you; once it's up and running I don't have any desire to mess with the rigid tubing for while after that :) I'm glad you're enjoying it now that everything's in place.
I am probably going to need to drain the system sooner than later anyway, the upper card is running hotter than the lower. During benchmarking, it hits 70c degrees under load while lower card is at 45c. I dunno if I have air bubbles trapped in it still or the thermal paste didn't spread well enough or I was to conservative with it. I'll work on some new tubes when I check that issue out.
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
2017/05/11 10:36:08
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I have zero experience water cooling in SLI so I hope you get it figured out. Please update when you do!
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Re: 18 years of building experience but 1st time full custom water loop!
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Dude, you should be pretty proud of your first attempt. That looks really nice. Yes the CPU line could use a tweak,but that's very good for a virgin run. Hope you figure out the GPU issue, and it's an easy fix.
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