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2016/10/13 01:10:42 (permalink)
Dear members of Crunching @EVGA,

For Nov 16th to Nov 22th 2016 SETI.Germany is arranging a challenge at World Community Grid on the occasion of the grids 12th birthday:




We would like to invite Crunching@EVGA to participate in the challenge and hope that your team and many members of your team will be joining and participting this event.
!!Be aware, only your WCG-Team-Captain can join your team to the challenge!!
https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/challenge/viewTeamChallenge.do?challengeId=8127

More information and statistics regarding the challenge can be found here.http://www.seti-germany.de/wcg/1_en_Welcome.html


Your participation is very much appreciated.


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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 06:24:29 (permalink)
    Thanks Setifan!
     
    Guy's I think we should sign up for this. We average about 100k ppd as a team, without trying. Never hurts to put the teams name out there no matter how we do. (a chance to flex those new HW guns too)
     
    Certainly overlaps the next PG Challenge and most probably much of the TZC, but those are GPU heavy. I think we can fit it in.
     
    Weigh in here with your thoughts pro and con.


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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 08:00:03 (permalink)
    The PG challenge ends the 23rd and GPU are the best way to do those WUs. few days overlap.
    The Timezone challenge starts the first of November, 16 days before the WCG challenge. Not sure if the TZC will be over. Should be close.
    But I bet there will be a challenge to break the record for monthly production once the TZC nears its end.
    I suppose we should join in, WCG seems to be a team favorite project, it is my favorite.Why not, we just do the best we can. Hate to be spread thin though.
    Although I am invested in PG this year, trying to crush those challenges.
    The Nov is a GPU, you guys with the big gun GPUs will do well next one.
     
     
     
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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 08:04:59 (permalink)
    I run WCG regardless - so I'm in!

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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 08:14:48 (permalink)
    I am setting myself up with both Folding and Crunching.
     
    Bring on the challenge, I will be there..

     


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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 08:46:38 (permalink)
    Pros: contribute to science, team camaraderie, friendly competition
    Cons: minus one CPU thread to keep GPU fed for TZC/PG
     
    I'm in 

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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 08:55:50 (permalink)
    We are now singed up.
    Current Teams that have singed up.
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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 10:15:29 (permalink)
    Awesome,
    Is this one of the Challenges that you can bunker??

     


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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 10:37:54 (permalink)
    HK-Steve
    Awesome,
    Is this one of the Challenges that you can bunker??


    Remember out team is not the bunker Type.
    You will have to read the Rules and post back here to let us know.
    Myself I will no longer bunker.
    (The challenge's aim is to get as much points as possible in the given time frame.)
    With this I would think any task download before the time frame would not count.
    Also WCG task come in sets sometimes and you may get your limit but not enough to make a real difference.
    So you rig could sit for a few days with no running tasks.
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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 10:45:03 (permalink)
    Understand, and Agree, Time Challenge is a Time Challenge,..

     


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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 11:02:36 (permalink)
    WCG I am pretty sure they will bunker. They say they can not do a set time. They are not setup for that.
     
    PG is always a set time with no bunkering.
     
    Bunkering is part of the challenge, if we do not bunker they will have a 48-72 hour head start.
    It is a PITA to bunker but it is not all that hard to do. I my self have no problem with bunkering. It is not cheating if it is part of the strategy.
    Bunkering is not going to go away, they have been doing it for years. So we go into every challenge with a huge handy cap.

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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 11:39:50 (permalink)
    Hmmm, Damned if you do, damned if you don't........
     
    I am on the fence now.....I see the point of a timed challenge, but others are going for the head start win, toe over the line before the gun goes off...

     


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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 11:43:19 (permalink)
    Everyone will do it anyway so no need to ponder on it

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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 14:09:17 (permalink)
    Thanks for signing us up bcav.
     
    I see the PG overlap being 4.5 days but it won't matter unless the multi P's want to run PG CPU.


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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 14:20:12 (permalink)
    You're right yodap, fixed it.

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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 19:44:37 (permalink)
    I'm not against bunkering given the inability to prevent it. How easy is it to bunker? I might try it if it helps the team. I'm gonna go all in for challenges in November as the TZC is already going to tap out my power draw. Setting the other cores to wcg is easy enough. It's my favorite project anyway.


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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 20:08:06 (permalink)
    This is right in the middle of the Crunching@EVGA five year mark, how can we not participate?
     
    I am in 

     
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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 20:15:08 (permalink)
    Afterburner
    This is right in the middle of the Crunching@EVGA five year mark, how can we not participate?
     
    I am in 


    When or What Date is our 5th Year Anniversary>?

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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 20:48:37 (permalink)
    11/15/2011 was the "team creation date" but most of us signed up from the 16th through the end of the month.
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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 21:12:33 (permalink)
    Thanks Punchy

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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/13 22:53:19 (permalink)
    Awwww yeah!
    CPU's to WCG and GPUs for folding and PG.  Gonna be a good month.

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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/14 14:37:36 (permalink)
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    Awesome,
    Is this one of the Challenges that you can bunker??


    Remember out team is not the bunker Type.
    You will have to read the Rules and post back here to let us know.
    Myself I will no longer bunker.
    (The challenge's aim is to get as much points as possible in the given time frame.)
    With this I would think any task download before the time frame would not count.
    Also WCG task come in sets sometimes and you may get your limit but not enough to make a real difference.
    So you rig could sit for a few days with no running tasks.


    Kinda. When it comes to the art of bunkering, there are ways to get more work than typically allowed. At WCG they do limit the amount of work that can be cached which means you normally can't actually stock up 10 full days worth. However, if you use the cc_config.xml file and use the line to tell the client that you have more cpu's than it actually has, BOINC will act like it has that many CPU's  and thus download enough work for that many. After filling up that cache, you can remove the line. The only thing you have to worry about is task deadlines. Most will have around 10 days but some resends may only give you 4 days to turn them in. So, yes some work may not meet the deadline. Odds are that the majority will work. If you are serious about bunkering do a dry run in advance.
     
    Also, you can load up VM's, cache them up and sit on them as long as the deadlines are long enough. Again, resends are the only real problematic ones. By using VM's, you can bunkering ~2-4 days on each one and then process until they are dry. Start next VM...process until dry. Then on day one, unload bunker from VM1, then VM2, etc...
     
    One thing to be cautioned about is if you care about how your computer is rated with WCG. What I mean is that PC's that are verified reliable and quick returns are typically devices that are given things like BETA work. If you aren't returning work consistently within 4 days, it may take a little while to re-establish that rating. I do not recall how long that takes. Been too long.
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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/14 14:43:43 (permalink)
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    Awesome,
    Is this one of the Challenges that you can bunker??


    Remember out team is not the bunker Type.
    You will have to read the Rules and post back here to let us know.
    Myself I will no longer bunker.
    (The challenge's aim is to get as much points as possible in the given time frame.)
    With this I would think any task download before the time frame would not count.
    Also WCG task come in sets sometimes and you may get your limit but not enough to make a real difference.
    So you rig could sit for a few days with no running tasks.


    Kinda. When it comes to the art of bunkering, there are ways to get more work than typically allowed. At WCG they do limit the amount of work that can be cached which means you normally can't actually stock up 10 full days worth. However, if you use the cc_config.xml file and use the line to tell the client that you have more cpu's than it actually has, BOINC will act like it has that many CPU's  and thus download enough work for that many. After filling up that cache, you can remove the line. The only thing you have to worry about is task deadlines. Most will have around 10 days but some resends may only give you 4 days to turn them in. So, yes some work may not meet the deadline. Odds are that the majority will work. If you are serious about bunkering do a dry run in advance.
     
    Also, you can load up VM's, cache them up and sit on them as long as the deadlines are long enough. Again, resends are the only real problematic ones. By using VM's, you can bunkering ~2-4 days on each one and then process until they are dry. Start next VM...process until dry. Then on day one, unload bunker from VM1, then VM2, etc...


    As I said above "Everyone will do it anyway so no need to ponder on it" But Thank You cuarc001
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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/14 14:49:45 (permalink)
    Not a problem. This technique is also used by some to get BETA work units when they are being released. They set their VM's profile to only request work from the sub projects with little or limited work, use an app_config to limit total number of work units to run of that kind from WCG and then attempt to download 1 beta work unit per core you designated in your cc_config. While everyone else struggles to get 1-12 or so work units... others have one VM trying to claim like 80 even though the box doesn't have but maybe 4 cores in it. Very shady biz, but that is how some are gobbling them up.
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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/14 14:59:03 (permalink)
    Well for me all Challenges and Events that our Team Participate in are all great and I enjoy being in them.
    But for me it is the Inner Team Participation Between Team Member within a Challenge or an Event.
    Most if not all Pie Charts are of our Team Members and not between Teams them selves.

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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/14 15:17:54 (permalink)
    I bunkered a couple times, I used spare drives with the folding appliance and got as many WUs, crunched them and swapped drives.
    VM would be easier.
     
    I don't like doing it. We really do not go in to win but to crunch for fun and to fins a cure.
    There are big crunching teams out there, kinda like EVGA is to folding.
    Now with PG, this year I want to do well just for my own competitiveness, well and to help the team keep 5th place.
    The GPU PG challenges are my weakness since I am CPU bound more or less. Will see how the next one goes. I think we can do 5th place.
     
    Its all in good fun either way.

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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/14 17:39:53 (permalink)
    I wasn't thinking of that crazy bunkering strategy.
    I was thinking if having the client request 3 days of work about 2.5 days before the event starts and turning off the network connectivity till the contest starts. No way am I messing with that config file, I couldn't figure it out earlier on my quest to exclude specific gpus.


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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/14 18:31:20 (permalink)
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    I bunkered a couple times, I used spare drives with the folding appliance and got as many WUs, crunched them and swapped drives.
    VM would be easier.
     
    I don't like doing it. We really do not go in to win but to crunch for fun and to fins a cure.
    There are big crunching teams out there, kinda like EVGA is to folding.
    Now with PG, this year I want to do well just for my own competitiveness, well and to help the team keep 5th place.
    The GPU PG challenges are my weakness since I am CPU bound more or less. Will see how the next one goes. I think we can do 5th place.
     
    Its all in good fun either way.


    Yeah I'll bunker a day or 2 if I remember and I'm not crunching other projects.
     
    I think we can get 5th unless fastgeek and Scott Brown have a lot of gpu's also.


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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/14 19:33:08 (permalink)
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    I bunkered a couple times, I used spare drives with the folding appliance and got as many WUs, crunched them and swapped drives.
    VM would be easier.
     
    I don't like doing it. We really do not go in to win but to crunch for fun and to fins a cure.
    There are big crunching teams out there, kinda like EVGA is to folding.
    Now with PG, this year I want to do well just for my own competitiveness, well and to help the team keep 5th place.
    The GPU PG challenges are my weakness since I am CPU bound more or less. Will see how the next one goes. I think we can do 5th place.
     
    Its all in good fun either way.


    Yeah I'll bunker a day or 2 if I remember and I'm not crunching other projects.
     
    I think we can get 5th unless fastgeek and Scott Brown have a lot of gpu's also.


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    Re: 12th WCG Birthday Challenge 2016/10/15 15:03:52 (permalink)
    Umm, that's cpus for wcg tasks. But they both have a ton of those too. Here's hoping they are occupied with other work during this contest.


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