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Hey guys quick question. Do you think there would be any benefit in pairing my 1080 ti sc2 with my old gtx980 as a pure physics card? I have heard of sometimes negative performance even. What do you guys think? Would there be any benefits? I would just straight up try it but it’s a lot of effort lol So I thought I’d see what peoples info/opinions on the matter might be.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/04/30 17:03:11
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Why is it a lot of effort? Just pop that thing in, hook it up, go to Nvidia control panel and select it as your PhysX card and see what happens. I think the only game that benefits from it though that I have heard of was the latest Batman game, the one that ran so poorly they took it of the shelves for the PC version.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/04/30 17:24:10
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Not many games these days support PhysX via GPU. Dangerous Golf and one of the Batman games do, but most games only support Havok which only does CPU PhysX calculations. You really need to check up on the games you're interested in playing for support.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/04/30 17:48:47
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Killing Floor 2 is also a good one if you want to test dedicated PhysX.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/04/30 18:19:25
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It helps more if you had an SLI config with a dedicated PhysX card with the few games that support PhysX. It will help minimum FPS rates, but not a whole lot and there aren't many games out there for it to help. Also, when I tried mixing generations a while back, a 980 Ti with a 650 Ti for PhysX, I had random instability problems (BDODs, game crashes) that I could only attribute to running different generations of GPUs. For a time I had two 980 Tis, and with one set to PhysX I didn't have those instability problems. Edit: For clarification purposes, the 650 Ti worked just fine by itself in my backup rig for light gaming and for Folding@Home.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/04/30 19:09:34
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cyberdimensions Why is it a lot of effort? Just pop that thing in, hook it up, go to Nvidia control panel and select it as your PhysX card and see what happens. I think the only game that benefits from it though that I have heard of was the latest Batman game, the one that ran so poorly they took it of the shelves for the PC version.
Well I would have to pull my computer out from where I have it, which means unplugging everything. Then opening it up, reworking my cable management to add the modular extra power cables. Then closing it up and plugging everything back in. Bleh lol But thx for the reply, I get the feeling that it would be a waste of time then.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/04/30 19:43:57
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Modern cards have no use for a dedicated physX cards as they are more than powerful enough to handle it. You would just be using more power needlessly.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/05/01 04:11:53
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I ran some tests last year using a 1080 SC with a 960 SSC for PhysX. For titles that used hardware PhysX, the speed up was real. The only problem is that none of the games that I actually play use it. So I pulled it out. I've got the 960 back in the machine to run my 2nd monitor, so if I played a game that uses PhysX I'd see some boost again, but I don't expect to.
If you want to test it out, from the top of my head I recall that Batman Arkham Knight used it. There's also a Chinese benchmark called PLA or something like that that shows a substantial boost with a PhysX card. I don't play benchmarks, though.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/05/01 06:15:07
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buster126 Hey guys quick question. Do you think there would be any benefit in pairing my 1080 ti sc2 with my old gtx980 as a pure physics card? I have heard of sometimes negative performance even. What do you guys think? Would there be any benefits? I would just straight up try it but it’s a lot of effort lol So I thought I’d see what peoples info/opinions on the matter might be.
There should not be any games were it hurts performance. Testing where performance was hurt by a PhysX Accelerator card has only really occurred with very slow cards used a accelerators like GT 710/730. So it should not hurt, but it if was me there would be much more value in selling the 980 card. I think that with the 1080 Ti will allow you will see a great performance improvement without any need for the 980 to help.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/05/01 15:06:17
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buster126 Hey guys quick question. Do you think there would be any benefit in pairing my 1080 ti sc2 with my old gtx980 as a pure physics card? I have heard of sometimes negative performance even. What do you guys think? Would there be any benefits? I would just straight up try it but it’s a lot of effort lol So I thought I’d see what peoples info/opinions on the matter might be.
Test and see for yourself. Use the pla benchmark for testing. Get a fps score with just the 1080 ti then add in the 980 as a dedicated physx card and rerun the test to see the difference in fps. Make sure PhysX is set to highest setting inside the pla benchmark. http://www.geforce.com/wh...11-and-physx-benchmark
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/05/02 10:27:27
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Look up "PhysX Cards - 10 years later do they still suck??" by Linus Tech Tips. They used a 1080, which is close enough. I debated about it for well over a year when I thought about upgrading to the 1080 to improve performance with Borderlands 2 along with a 750 Ti as a dedicated PPU. I guess it doesn't matter anymore with the 1080 Ti especially when maxed out at 4k. :)
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/05/02 11:39:16
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Ok, just for kicks I redownloaded the PLA benchmark and ran two simple tests.
1) 1080ti as primary display card with 960 SSC used as PhysX card Avg: 119.4 fps Max: 164.4 fps
2) 1080ti as both primary display card and hardware PhysX Avg: 79.6 fps Max: 103.8 fps
I used a 960 as PhysX card, while the OP asked about a 980, so we would expect better results with his setup than with mine.
So the answer is yes, if you can find a game that uses hardware PhysX you'll probably see some benefit from using the 980 to offload PhysX work. If you can't find a game that uses hardware PhysX then you can run this benchmark over and over and go "oooooh, ahhhh!" at how much better it does with hardware PhysX kicked out to a secondary card, until you've had your fill, then uninstall it and go on with your life.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/05/02 11:46:20
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LOL that sums it up. The only games I can think of is Borderlands and Batman. When I had the i7-870 and GTX 970 SSC the game would hang when there's too much PhysX action going on with certain weapons. It's not nearly as bad once I moved over to the 6700K. I've not had the chance to do much testing with the 1080 Ti and Borderlands 2 with PhysX maxed out, and it's superb at 4k. I'm struggling in Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode, so I've not played the game as much.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/05/02 11:47:00
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sethleigh Ok, just for kicks I redownloaded the PLA benchmark and ran two simple tests.
1) 1080ti as primary display card with 960 SSC used as PhysX card Avg: 119.4 fps Max: 164.4 fps
2) 1080ti as both primary display card and hardware PhysX Avg: 79.6 fps Max: 103.8 fps
I used a 960 as PhysX card, while the OP asked about a 980, so we would expect better results with his setup than with mine.
So the answer is yes, if you can find a game that uses hardware PhysX you'll probably see some benefit from using the 980 to offload PhysX work. If you can't find a game that uses hardware PhysX then you can run this benchmark over and over and go "oooooh, ahhhh!" at how much better it does with hardware PhysX kicked out to a secondary card, until you've had your fill, then uninstall it and go on with your life.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/05/02 11:51:16
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sethleigh If you can't find a game that uses hardware PhysX then you can run this benchmark over and over and go "oooooh, ahhhh!" at how much better it does with hardware PhysX kicked out to a secondary card, until you've had your fill, then uninstall it and go on with your life.
Like you said in the other thread... great for those that think with the e-peen? LOL
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/05/02 11:55:14
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I've seen people comment that using the GPU as a PPU also doubles as a cheap space heater.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/05/02 12:07:11
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buster126 Hey guys quick question. Do you think there would be any benefit in pairing my 1080 ti sc2 with my old gtx980 as a pure physics card? I have heard of sometimes negative performance even. What do you guys think? Would there be any benefits? I would just straight up try it but it’s a lot of effort lol So I thought I’d see what peoples info/opinions on the matter might be.
There should not be any games were it hurts performance. Testing where performance was hurt by a PhysX Accelerator card has only really occurred with very slow cards used a accelerators like GT 710/730. So it should not hurt, but it if was me there would be much more value in selling the 980 card. I think that with the 1080 Ti will allow you will see a great performance improvement without any need for the 980 to help.
+1 on this statement.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/05/02 12:09:57
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sethleigh If you can't find a game that uses hardware PhysX then you can run this benchmark over and over and go "oooooh, ahhhh!" at how much better it does with hardware PhysX kicked out to a secondary card, until you've had your fill, then uninstall it and go on with your life. Like you said in the other thread... great for those that think with the e-peen? LOL
Hey, I ran the tests, so what does that say about me? In my case I have the 960 already in there to drive my 2nd monitor without impacting performance of my primary monitor, but in the past I've seen people actually go out and buy a card to use for PhysX, which seems like a waste of money, or keep a card they would otherwise have sold, which seems like a wasted opportunity.
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Re: 1080 ti sc2 + physics dedicated card?
2017/05/02 12:48:04
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sethleigh
Hey, I ran the tests, so what does that say about me? In my case I have the 960 already in there to drive my 2nd monitor without impacting performance of my primary monitor, but in the past I've seen people actually go out and buy a card to use for PhysX, which seems like a waste of money, or keep a card they would otherwise have sold, which seems like a wasted opportunity.
Heh... agree with you on both.
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