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2017/05/13 02:28:47 (permalink)
 
Thanks to God, ICX cooler and fan technology available to step up for the 1080Ti. All who have decided to wait and were hoping for this, the wait paid off, EVGA as always surprising customers. I think EVGA is the best video card company for customer service and quality of products. Tell us your experience with this step up. I will share my experience first. I am in the queue but reported backordered. Is that the case for everyone or someone about to have the product ship to him or her?
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/13 05:37:22 (permalink)
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    Thanks to God, ICX fan technology available to step up for the 1080Ti. All who have decided to wait and were hoping for this, the wait paid off, EVGA as always surprising customers. I think EVGA is the best video card company for customer service and quality of products. Tell us your experience with this step up. I will share my experience first. I am in the queue but reported backordered. Is that the case for everyone or someone about to have the product ship to him or her?




    With the 1080 Ti SC Black You get the iCX cooler (the metal piece that goes over the PCB). The fans in the SC Black are synchronous (they all spin at the same speed), while in the SC2 (iCX model) they are asynchronous.



     
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/13 09:15:52 (permalink)
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    Thanks to God, ICX fan technology available to step up for the 1080Ti. All who have decided to wait and were hoping for this, the wait paid off, EVGA as always surprising customers. I think EVGA is the best video card company for customer service and quality of products. Tell us your experience with this step up. I will share my experience first. I am in the queue but reported backordered. Is that the case for everyone or someone about to have the product ship to him or her?




    With the 1080 Ti SC Black You get the iCX cooler (the metal piece that goes over the PCB). The fans in the SC Black are synchronous (they all spin at the same speed), while in the SC2 (iCX model) they are asynchronous.


    I corrected to reflect ICX cooler and fan technology; we see the fans instead of HSF of the Founders Edition no obvious fans.  
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/15 13:27:21 (permalink)
    This thread is to share our step up process for the 1080 Ti SC Black Edition or anything else we wish. Is any feedback so far about the step up process?  Later on, if anyone has started step up process 2; emailed sent to make payment, share here and the rest of the steps as it has been done of the videocards that have been in the step up program before.


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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/15 15:53:07 (permalink)
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    Thanks to God, ICX fan technology available to step up for the 1080Ti. All who have decided to wait and were hoping for this, the wait paid off, EVGA as always surprising customers. I think EVGA is the best video card company for customer service and quality of products. Tell us your experience with this step up. I will share my experience first. I am in the queue but reported backordered. Is that the case for everyone or someone about to have the product ship to him or her?




    With the 1080 Ti SC Black You get the iCX cooler (the metal piece that goes over the PCB). The fans in the SC Black are synchronous (they all spin at the same speed), while in the SC2 (iCX model) they are asynchronous.


    I corrected to reflect ICX cooler and fan technology; we see the fans instead of HSF of the Founders Edition no obvious fans.  




    The fans in the SC Black are NOT iCX. iCX fans are asynchronous. Fans in the SC Black are synchronous.



     
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/15 19:16:10 (permalink)
    I saw a thread like this for the 1080 ti Founders Edition step-up program, to post how long it took from being in the queue to receiving. I was added to the queue today myself , and will post when anything changes. I also really wanted Evga to add an ICX 1080 ti card to the Step-Up program, so I was ecstatic when I saw the change.
     
    Also on the topic of the 'synchronous' fans, I personally don't care that it's not the 'true' ICX cooler, I just don't want a blower style card!
     
    Another note, this wouldn't happen to be the very first ICX card without 'asynchronous' fans, is it? I always assumed that asynchronous were part of the package...
     
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/15 19:26:01 (permalink)
    I joined the queue on Friday afternoon. Can't wait. Although I did get the hybrid kit in anticipation of settling for a founders edition. But I've found out the hybrid kit works just fine minus the backplate.

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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/15 21:26:38 (permalink)
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    Thanks to God, ICX fan technology available to step up for the 1080Ti. All who have decided to wait and were hoping for this, the wait paid off, EVGA as always surprising customers. I think EVGA is the best video card company for customer service and quality of products. Tell us your experience with this step up. I will share my experience first. I am in the queue but reported backordered. Is that the case for everyone or someone about to have the product ship to him or her?




    With the 1080 Ti SC Black You get the iCX cooler (the metal piece that goes over the PCB). The fans in the SC Black are synchronous (they all spin at the same speed), while in the SC2 (iCX model) they are asynchronous.


    I corrected to reflect ICX cooler and fan technology; we see the fans instead of HSF of the Founders Edition no obvious fans.  




    The fans in the SC Black are NOT iCX. iCX fans are asynchronous. Fans in the SC Black are synchronous.


    I am aware of the difference between Black Edition and SC2 ICX. That is why I wrote ICX cooler and fan technology. I explained what I meant by fan technology.  It is a normal fan as any video card but the fan is the same kind of fan as SC2 but no ICX technology. Their whole package for SC2 includes the nine sensors and asynchronous fans. That is full ICX technology, fans and cooler. The fan is the same; the technology of the fan is the same. The fans are alike in appearance (same build) but not the Founders Edition.  The Founders does not have the same fan technology as the Black Edition and SC2. Even the FTW3 uses the same fan as Black Edition and SC2. If you read what I said, I did not say they are the same as the Black Edition. The Black Edition lacks ICX technology on the fans.  Moreover, it lacks RGB too.  
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/15 23:03:14 (permalink)
    asynchronous vs synchronous 
     
    I have the 1070 sc2 ICX i really don't see any  major difference in temperatures vs ACX 

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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/15 23:30:01 (permalink)
    Never done a step up before but just put in one for this card.
     
    I get that it's all dependent upon stock/demand but do the step ups ever get denied or is it just that you could be waiting a while?
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/16 03:40:09 (permalink)
    Has anyone seen movement?
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/16 03:59:13 (permalink)
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    Thanks to God, ICX fan technology available to step up for the 1080Ti. All who have decided to wait and were hoping for this, the wait paid off, EVGA as always surprising customers. I think EVGA is the best video card company for customer service and quality of products. Tell us your experience with this step up. I will share my experience first. I am in the queue but reported backordered. Is that the case for everyone or someone about to have the product ship to him or her?




    With the 1080 Ti SC Black You get the iCX cooler (the metal piece that goes over the PCB). The fans in the SC Black are synchronous (they all spin at the same speed), while in the SC2 (iCX model) they are asynchronous.


    I corrected to reflect ICX cooler and fan technology; we see the fans instead of HSF of the Founders Edition no obvious fans.  




    The fans in the SC Black are NOT iCX. iCX fans are asynchronous. Fans in the SC Black are synchronous.


    I am aware of the difference between Black Edition and SC2 ICX. That is why I wrote ICX cooler and fan technology. I explained what I meant by fan technology.  It is a normal fan as any video card but the fan is the same kind of fan as SC2 but no ICX technology. Their whole package for SC2 includes the nine sensors and asynchronous fans. That is full ICX technology, fans and cooler. The fan is the same; the technology of the fan is the same. The fans are alike in appearance (same build) but not the Founders Edition.  The Founders does not have the same fan technology as the Black Edition and SC2. Even the FTW3 uses the same fan as Black Edition and SC2. If you read what I said, I did not say they are the same as the Black Edition. The Black Edition lacks ICX technology on the fans.  Moreover, it lacks RGB too.  




    Everyone knows the fans in the SC Black are not the same ones that are in the FE. You can tell just by looking at both of them.
    Saying that the SC Black has iCX fan technology can be misleading, because people can think that the SC Black has asynchronous fans (as opposed to the previous ACX 3.0 tech that had the same fans but synchronous). That's why you should make it clear in the first post.
     

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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/16 04:04:22 (permalink)
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    asynchronous vs synchronous 
     
    I have the 1070 sc2 ICX i really don't see any  major difference in temperatures vs ACX 


     
    There is no major difference. In fact, there is none if you set both fans in the SC2 iCX to run at the same speed. So, for me, it is not a very important feature. The thing is, the difference in price between a SC and a SC2 is also not very big.
    So, what I think is important is that people know what the differences are so they can decide what they want to buy knowing exactly what they are going to get.
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/16 14:03:05 (permalink)
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    asynchronous vs synchronous 
     
    I have the 1070 sc2 ICX i really don't see any  major difference in temperatures vs ACX 


     
    There is no major difference. In fact, there is none if you set both fans in the SC2 iCX to run at the same speed. So, for me, it is not a very important feature. The thing is, the difference in price between a SC and a SC2 is also not very big.
    So, what I think is important is that people know what the differences are so they can decide what they want to buy knowing exactly what they are going to get.




     it all comes down to if you want to control each fan with a separate fan control or LED RBG . which none impact its performance vs sc2 

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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/16 14:15:49 (permalink)
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    Never done a step up before but just put in one for this card.
     
    I get that it's all dependent upon stock/demand but do the step ups ever get denied or is it just that you could be waiting a while?


    As long as you are within the 90 day period I have never heard of a denial unless people were asking for a card that wasn't on the step up list. Once approved, you need to make sure your existing card arrives in the same condition you bought it (remove over clocks, no damage, etc).

    Do the step up within those parameters and you should be good to go...just note it could be a couple months before you are approved...depending on demand. The optional ICX upgrade I did took 2 months...but that was an extraordinary circumstance...so hopefully it won't take that long.
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/16 23:58:36 (permalink)
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    Thanks to God, ICX fan technology available to step up for the 1080Ti. All who have decided to wait and were hoping for this, the wait paid off, EVGA as always surprising customers. I think EVGA is the best video card company for customer service and quality of products. Tell us your experience with this step up. I will share my experience first. I am in the queue but reported backordered. Is that the case for everyone or someone about to have the product ship to him or her?




    With the 1080 Ti SC Black You get the iCX cooler (the metal piece that goes over the PCB). The fans in the SC Black are synchronous (they all spin at the same speed), while in the SC2 (iCX model) they are asynchronous.


    I corrected to reflect ICX cooler and fan technology; we see the fans instead of HSF of the Founders Edition no obvious fans.  




    The fans in the SC Black are NOT iCX. iCX fans are asynchronous. Fans in the SC Black are synchronous.


    I am aware of the difference between Black Edition and SC2 ICX. That is why I wrote ICX cooler and fan technology. I explained what I meant by fan technology.  It is a normal fan as any video card but the fan is the same kind of fan as SC2 but no ICX technology. Their whole package for SC2 includes the nine sensors and asynchronous fans. That is full ICX technology, fans and cooler. The fan is the same; the technology of the fan is the same. The fans are alike in appearance (same build) but not the Founders Edition.  The Founders does not have the same fan technology as the Black Edition and SC2. Even the FTW3 uses the same fan as Black Edition and SC2. If you read what I said, I did not say they are the same as the Black Edition. The Black Edition lacks ICX technology on the fans.  Moreover, it lacks RGB too.  




    Everyone knows the fans in the SC Black are not the same ones that are in the FE. You can tell just by looking at both of them.
    Saying that the SC Black has iCX fan technology can be misleading, because people can think that the SC Black has asynchronous fans (as opposed to the previous ACX 3.0 tech that had the same fans but synchronous). That's why you should make it clear in the first post.
     



    It was corrected. Why are you still repeating the same thing again after the correction? You have my answers and explanations afterwards.  You did not understand my explanation? Other people understood my point.
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 01:59:56 (permalink)
    Most likely going to end up shooting myself in the foot, however I went ahead and placed the step up for 2 SC2 Black Edition Ti's.

    $500 total to step up both of my EVGA 1070 FTW2's but sense its the only ICX Available upgrade... I guess I'll suck it up.




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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 02:27:37 (permalink)
    I have signed up in Europe for the SC2 1080ti stepup from my 1080ti FE. Now on the waiting list. 

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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 02:49:18 (permalink)
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    Saying that the SC Black has iCX fan technology can be misleading, because people can think that the SC Black has asynchronous fans (as opposed to the previous ACX 3.0 tech that had the same fans but synchronous). That's why you should make it clear in the first post.




    Agree.  Some will confuse this with the real ICX cards.  Honestly, I think EVGA made the mistake as well, even though it only uses maybe the same fans but obviously not the same tech. that comes with the asynchronous and the rest of the features.  

    OP, I would add to your post that it's not a full blown ICX GPU so it differentiates from the rest.  Doesn't come with asynchronous fans, sensors, etc.
     
    rjohnson11
     
    I have signed up in Europe for the SC2 1080ti stepup from my 1080ti FE. Now on the waiting list. 



    RJ, the 1080Ti SC2 is true ICX and last I've read, it isn't part of the list.   How in the world did you get that when it's only the SC Black Edition unless that's what you meant?

    Waiting for the bombardment of customers demanding the full ICX GPUs any moment now.  I can see the fiery pitch forks over the dark horizon. 

         
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 04:17:24 (permalink)
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    Never done a step up before but just put in one for this card.
     
    I get that it's all dependent upon stock/demand but do the step ups ever get denied or is it just that you could be waiting a while?


    As long as you are within the 90 day period I have never heard of a denial unless people were asking for a card that wasn't on the step up list. Once approved, you need to make sure your existing card arrives in the same condition you bought it (remove over clocks, no damage, etc).

    Do the step up within those parameters and you should be good to go...just note it could be a couple months before you are approved...depending on demand. The optional ICX upgrade I did took 2 months...but that was an extraordinary circumstance...so hopefully it won't take that long.

    I hope it's not months.  I opted for the step up to 1080Ti from 1070 in case I want to do 1440p @ 144Hz in the future.  It's more of a future-proofing thing at this point, but if it takes too long, I may just wait for Volta.
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 05:51:24 (permalink)
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    I am aware of the difference between Black Edition and SC2 ICX. That is why I wrote ICX cooler and fan technology. I explained what I meant by fan technology.  It is a normal fan as any video card but the fan is the same kind of fan as SC2 but no ICX technology. Their whole package for SC2 includes the nine sensors and asynchronous fans. That is full ICX technology, fans and cooler. The fan is the same; the technology of the fan is the same. The fans are alike in appearance (same build) but not the Founders Edition.  The Founders does not have the same fan technology as the Black Edition and SC2. Even the FTW3 uses the same fan as Black Edition and SC2. If you read what I said, I did not say they are the same as the Black Edition. The Black Edition lacks ICX technology on the fans.  Moreover, it lacks RGB too.  




    Everyone knows the fans in the SC Black are not the same ones that are in the FE. You can tell just by looking at both of them.
    Saying that the SC Black has iCX fan technology can be misleading, because people can think that the SC Black has asynchronous fans (as opposed to the previous ACX 3.0 tech that had the same fans but synchronous). That's why you should make it clear in the first post.
     



    It was corrected. Why are you still repeating the same thing again after the correction? You have my answers and explanations afterwards.  You did not understand my explanation? Other people understood my point.


     
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    Saying that the SC Black has iCX fan technology can be misleading, because people can think that the SC Black has asynchronous fans (as opposed to the previous ACX 3.0 tech that had the same fans but synchronous). That's why you should make it clear in the first post.




    Agree.  Some will confuse this with the real ICX cards.  Honestly, I think EVGA made the mistake as well, even though it only uses maybe the same fans but obviously not the same tech. that comes with the asynchronous and the rest of the features.  

    OP, I would add to your post that it's not a full blown ICX GPU so it differentiates from the rest.  Doesn't come with asynchronous fans, sensors, etc.
     

     
    ^This.



     
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 11:28:04 (permalink)
    They must be getting a new shipment by the end of the week. They are due to ship Elite cards out around Monday so hopefully some stepups get processed when the cargo arrives. Hopefully I won't be out a graphics card while sending mine back before my Elite gets here.

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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 11:38:10 (permalink)
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    I am aware of the difference between Black Edition and SC2 ICX. That is why I wrote ICX cooler and fan technology. I explained what I meant by fan technology.  It is a normal fan as any video card but the fan is the same kind of fan as SC2 but no ICX technology. Their whole package for SC2 includes the nine sensors and asynchronous fans. That is full ICX technology, fans and cooler. The fan is the same; the technology of the fan is the same. The fans are alike in appearance (same build) but not the Founders Edition.  The Founders does not have the same fan technology as the Black Edition and SC2. Even the FTW3 uses the same fan as Black Edition and SC2. If you read what I said, I did not say they are the same as the Black Edition. The Black Edition lacks ICX technology on the fans.  Moreover, it lacks RGB too.  




    Everyone knows the fans in the SC Black are not the same ones that are in the FE. You can tell just by looking at both of them.
    Saying that the SC Black has iCX fan technology can be misleading, because people can think that the SC Black has asynchronous fans (as opposed to the previous ACX 3.0 tech that had the same fans but synchronous). That's why you should make it clear in the first post.
     



    It was corrected. Why are you still repeating the same thing again after the correction? You have my answers and explanations afterwards.  You did not understand my explanation? Other people understood my point.


     
    See below.

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    Saying that the SC Black has iCX fan technology can be misleading, because people can think that the SC Black has asynchronous fans (as opposed to the previous ACX 3.0 tech that had the same fans but synchronous). That's why you should make it clear in the first post.




    Agree.  Some will confuse this with the real ICX cards.  Honestly, I think EVGA made the mistake as well, even though it only uses maybe the same fans but obviously not the same tech. that comes with the asynchronous and the rest of the features.  

    OP, I would add to your post that it's not a full blown ICX GPU so it differentiates from the rest.  Doesn't come with asynchronous fans, sensors, etc.
     

     
    ^This.


    You did not answer my question. You are not making any sense. GTXJackBauer is addressing your senseless repetition. He did not address my posts as you did. What he said does not justify your senseless repetition. Anyone knows that post #1 does not say SC Black has iCX fan technology. Only you that got stuck in something that currently is not there.    


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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 11:53:36 (permalink)
    Come on guys, give it a rest already. Mistakes happen and we all know now that the SC Black has the iCX cooler but not the sensors or independent fan control. It's immaterial in the end as the SC Black is basically a reference board with a decent air cooler that doesn't sound like a turbine. I'm just happy to have that option even though the blower style cooler might be better for my use case.

    Personally I've only owned iCX style cards that can't into the case. Even with 2 cards in my system I haven't had much trouble with temps. If these 1080Tis are really hot I'll put the hybrid kit on the SC Black. I can't wait for these stepup to start getting processed. This will be my first stepup.

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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 15:51:29 (permalink)
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    You did not answer my question. You are not making any sense. GTXJackBauer is addressing your senseless repetition. He did not address my posts as you did. What he said does not justify your senseless repetition. Anyone knows that post #1 does not say SC Black has iCX fan technology. Only you that got stuck in something that currently is not there.    


     
    Yes, it does.
    This is what your first post says:
     
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    Thanks to God, ICX cooler and fan technology available to step up for the 1080Ti.

     
    As far as I know, the SC Black is the only Ti you can step-up to right now.
     
    Anyway, I won't reply anymore since you are only making me waste time.



     
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 16:03:09 (permalink)
    look fellas , the fans on the Sc black edition are far better than the FE edition . we know they are not asynchronous  , the Cooler itself is ICX based minus the sensors .
     
    So to summarize it the SC Black edition is what ACX 3.0 should have been .
     
    can we move on now . 

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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 18:35:44 (permalink)
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    Never done a step up before but just put in one for this card.
     
    I get that it's all dependent upon stock/demand but do the step ups ever get denied or is it just that you could be waiting a while?


    As long as you are within the 90 day period I have never heard of a denial unless people were asking for a card that wasn't on the step up list. Once approved, you need to make sure your existing card arrives in the same condition you bought it (remove over clocks, no damage, etc).

    Do the step up within those parameters and you should be good to go...just note it could be a couple months before you are approved...depending on demand. The optional ICX upgrade I did took 2 months...but that was an extraordinary circumstance...so hopefully it won't take that long.



    Thanks, appreciate the response.  I'm okay with it being a few months as long as I eventually get it :P
     
    In the past, did they send you the new card before you returned the old?  I feel like I remember reading something from EVGA about how "step up is great because you never have to go without a graphics card".
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 22:18:03 (permalink)
    Powermix24, I would like to move on but I need to respond and correct inaccuracies. After, the correction, I hoped that ended there but it would not. He might respond again even that he said he would not. 
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 22:19:13 (permalink)
    redleader00, said,” Saying that the SC Black has iCX fan technology can be misleading,” Then you changed to this, “This is what your first post says: Medico-Thanks to God, ICX cooler and fan technology available to step up for the 1080Ti.” Then, you claimed that my post #1 said that I said that the Black Edition has iCX fan technology.  To say has iCX fan technology is not the same to say it has fan technology, right there you contradict yourself. It could be an issue with the English language that is why I explained in case that happened, as follow, “I corrected to reflect ICX cooler and fan technology; we see the fans instead of HSF of the Founders Edition no obvious fans.” I was hoping that explanation would be sufficed but it was not for you.      
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    Re: 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Step Up Thread 2017/05/17 22:47:06 (permalink)
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    redleader00, said,” Saying that the SC Black has iCX fan technology can be misleading,” Then you changed to this, “This is what your first post says: Medico-Thanks to God, ICX cooler and fan technology available to step up for the 1080Ti.” Then, you claimed that my post #1 said that I said that the Black Edition has iCX fan technology.  To say has iCX fan technology is not the same to say it has fan technology, right there you contradict yourself. It could be an issue with the English language that is why I explained in case that happened, as follow, “I corrected to reflect ICX cooler and fan technology; we see the fans instead of HSF of the Founders Edition no obvious fans.” I was hoping that explanation would be sufficed but it was not for you.      


    Please stop...this thread is for the step up.
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