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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op 2018/03/14 11:09:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cool GTX 2018/10/20 21:03:44
Yes they pull more power. Always remember that 100% Power Target on an EVGA FTW3 card is much higher than 100% on an FE card. The percentage number (%) has no meaning on the power consumption in terms of watts. The question in this thread has always been about setting higher power targets via overclocking, and the card not reaching them.


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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op 2018/03/14 11:13:38 (permalink)
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Yes they pull more power. Always remember that 100% Power Target on an EVGA FTW3 card is much higher than 100% on an FE card. The percentage number (%) has no meaning on the power consumption in terms of watts. The question in this thread has always been about setting higher power targets via overclocking, and the card not reaching them.


Ok. So your saying 130% power spike reported on a fe card is less then 117% of the power draw on a ftw3?

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op 2018/03/14 11:15:21 (permalink)
Yup, in terms of actual wattage and actual power, yes.


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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op 2018/03/14 11:19:47 (permalink)
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Yup, in terms of actual wattage and actual power, yes.


Ok makes sense.. was my original thoughts long ago.

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op 2018/03/14 11:27:02 (permalink)
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There are several rules/guidelines that need to be followed on the way that NVIDIA graphics cards both read and use the power available on the card. This becomes even more complicated when you have multiple power inputs both drawing different amounts of power, and we are not permitted to ship a card and/or BIOS that goes around these rules or breaks them.
 
Over the last few months we have been working with NVIDIA on an alternate way to read the power consumption/power target levels but I do not have any updates at this time unfortunately as it is still ongoing.
 
Will continue to post updates as they are available.




So, per EVGA this issue is not fixed. Then the issue has been fixed, see op needs to be removed. And we all know the mighty Kingpin works for EVGA, but until EVGA posts an official fix this is not resolved.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op 2018/03/14 11:34:40 (permalink)
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There are several rules/guidelines that need to be followed on the way that NVIDIA graphics cards both read and use the power available on the card. This becomes even more complicated when you have multiple power inputs both drawing different amounts of power, and we are not permitted to ship a card and/or BIOS that goes around these rules or breaks them.
 
Over the last few months we have been working with NVIDIA on an alternate way to read the power consumption/power target levels but I do not have any updates at this time unfortunately as it is still ongoing.
 
Will continue to post updates as they are available.


Thank you for the clarity Jacob. I suspected this was the issue from the beginning from my experience in modifying Maxwell BIOS. However, I don't have to operate under the constraints that Nvidia puts on AIBS. If I understand correctly, you cannot *officially support the BIOS from Vince because of said restrictions. It makes sense in that  context.

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op 2018/03/14 12:29:17 (permalink)
Rules are rules. Glad Vince responded, or everyone would still be stuck at 117%.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op 2018/03/14 16:10:15 (permalink)
So there we have it.
It's a non-oficial fix from Vince.

Thanks for the update Jacob.

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op 2018/03/14 17:43:10 (permalink)
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So there we have it.
It's a non-oficial fix from Vince.

Thanks for the update Jacob.


To me it's an official fix that evga can't endorse because of nvidias rules.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op 2018/03/14 18:03:08 (permalink)
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There are several rules/guidelines that need to be followed on the way that NVIDIA graphics cards both read and use the power available on the card. This becomes even more complicated when you have multiple power inputs both drawing different amounts of power, and we are not permitted to ship a card and/or BIOS that goes around these rules or breaks them.
 
Over the last few months we have been working with NVIDIA on an alternate way to read the power consumption/power target levels but I do not have any updates at this time unfortunately as it is still ongoing.
 
Will continue to post updates as they are available.


It makes no sense EVGA would engineer a card that wouldn't conform to the rules. I'm not saying you did or didn't but it seems to me you should have been talking to Nvidia before releasing the card when proving the concept. I think no one here doubts the complexity of what you were trying to achieve. Apparently, the relationship with Nvidia isn't perfect if they can't get to a resolution for you by now or release you to release a fix that Sajin has illuminated. At the very least it seems the support they are giving EVGA for your aftermarket cards is overly complicated. It was my understanding EVGA is a preferred partner meaning you have a closer relationship than some others, but this has gone a long way to proving that to be a myth. I understand Nvidia has to support many board partners with hundreds of aftermarket cards out there, but it seems some are getting more love than you are or they just built better cards. I understand your hands are tied, but given these facts, I cannot see making a future aftermarket EVGA GPU purchase unless we have assurance this will change in the future, and that's not because you won't make significant cards instead there will be very little difference between them and the reference edition.

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/14 20:34:18 (permalink)
6796 bios just posted by Kingpin!
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/14 21:06:17 (permalink)

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/14 21:11:46 (permalink)
Looks like it's for 6699, and not 6796.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/14 21:12:39 (permalink)
maxed out everything turned up tops like 250-260w from the wall dude. something like that I think...

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/14 23:33:02 (permalink)
I can use a bios for the ftw3 elite!!

6797-K1 and K2.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 06:36:32 (permalink)
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6796 bios just posted by Kingpin!

Where did he post ist - is there a link?
Edit: Ok found it.
post edited by JohnathanSeagul - 2018/03/15 06:40:25
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 06:43:56 (permalink)
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6796 bios just posted by Kingpin!

Where did he post ist - is there a link?
Edit: Ok found it.



Doesn't hurt to post it here:
http://forum.kingpincooling.com/showthread.php?t=3979
 

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 07:00:16 (permalink)
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Sajin, by the way, please give big thanks for all the guys involved in finding a way around. I can only imagine how many where involved considering the risks of this move.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 13:11:03 (permalink)
Big thanks to the community we have here for doing the work.  Vince for the bios.
We had to push EVGA for over 6 months to even tell us the real deal behind this issue.  No thanks there.  I mean, this thread has 31 pages and this page contains the final response from EVGA.

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 13:12:00 (permalink)
Yup! Finally get some clarity.. nice for a change isint it.

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 13:56:15 (permalink)
Following the guide provided everything work's wonderfully up until the last part,
When I go to install the Secondary bios at the last steps, and I type y to proceed
with the flash, it just freezes and doesn't do anything, after a while I proceed to restart,
all is well nothing is broken, but still on FTW3Slave.rom, anybody else run into this issue?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 14:04:27 (permalink)
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Following the guide provided everything work's wonderfully up until the last part,
When I go to install the Secondary bios at the last steps, and I type y to proceed
with the flash, it just freezes and doesn't do anything, after a while I proceed to restart,
all is well nothing is broken, but still on FTW3Slave.rom, anybody else run into this issue?


Are you running the secondary.exe as admin?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 14:07:23 (permalink)
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Following the guide provided everything work's wonderfully up until the last part,
When I go to install the Secondary bios at the last steps, and I type y to proceed
with the flash, it just freezes and doesn't do anything, after a while I proceed to restart,
all is well nothing is broken, but still on FTW3Slave.rom, anybody else run into this issue?


Are you running the secondary.exe as admin?


Can confirm that I am, I tried to research the issues, only one other person has had it on amd platform,
I'm intel, write protection is off, I'm stumped, should I just try again?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 14:08:50 (permalink)
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Following the guide provided everything work's wonderfully up until the last part,
When I go to install the Secondary bios at the last steps, and I type y to proceed
with the flash, it just freezes and doesn't do anything, after a while I proceed to restart,
all is well nothing is broken, but still on FTW3Slave.rom, anybody else run into this issue?


Are you running the secondary.exe as admin?


Can confirm that I am, I tried to research the issues, only one other person has had it on amd platform,
I'm intel, write protection is off, I'm stumped, should I just try again?


Yes, try again. Make sure your antivirus is disabled too.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 14:11:20 (permalink)
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DeathSentinels
Following the guide provided everything work's wonderfully up until the last part,
When I go to install the Secondary bios at the last steps, and I type y to proceed
with the flash, it just freezes and doesn't do anything, after a while I proceed to restart,
all is well nothing is broken, but still on FTW3Slave.rom, anybody else run into this issue?


Are you running the secondary.exe as admin?


Can confirm that I am, I tried to research the issues, only one other person has had it on amd platform,
I'm intel, write protection is off, I'm stumped, should I just try again?


Yes, try again. Make sure your antivirus is disabled too.


You are 100% right! disabling windows defender resulted in a successful flash, appreciate it!
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 14:12:02 (permalink)

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 16:40:08 (permalink)
Anyone know if a FTW3 Elite bios fix will be released?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 17:11:03 (permalink)
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Anyone know if a FTW3 Elite bios fix will be released?



A few posts above..

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/15 17:23:57 (permalink)
Those aren't Elite bios. I want to see if 12GHz will work correctly now on my FTW3 Hybrid without touching any settings. 
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2018/03/16 04:21:45 (permalink)
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Those aren't Elite bios. I want to see if 12GHz will work correctly now on my FTW3 Hybrid without touching any settings. 


Yup.
Sorry
My mistake.
I thought the 12Ghz were supposed to be used with the Elite cards because of the mem. band.
6699 is for Hydro Copper ICX correct?
 

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