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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 12:08:55
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Just a small update here.
This issue has been identified as an NVIDIA driver reporting issue, and is being corrected on a future NVIDIA driver update.
Sorry I don't have any ETA's or further updates at this time... will continue to update on it.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 12:13:24
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Nice.. though some would beg to differ since using a different bios fixed the issue.
But here's to hope!
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 12:37:08
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Just a small update here.
This issue has been identified as an NVIDIA driver reporting issue, and is being corrected on a future NVIDIA driver update.
Sorry I don't have any ETA's or further updates at this time... will continue to update on it.
Looking forward to seeing what the newer drivers do to this issue.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 12:47:09
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Just a small update here.
This issue has been identified as an NVIDIA driver reporting issue, and is being corrected on a future NVIDIA driver update.
Sorry I don't have any ETA's or further updates at this time... will continue to update on it.
Many thanks for the update.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 13:01:39
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Interesting. I have asked this a couple of times....does anyone else with an EVGA 1080 Ti FE typically hit 127% power target while benching or is it just me?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 15:15:59
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Interesting. I have asked this a couple of times....does anyone else with an EVGA 1080 Ti FE typically hit 127% power target while benching or is it just me?
I hit 118% regularly benching with occasional spike to 120-122% What FE do you own and what is the bios version?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 16:07:25
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Just a small update here.
This issue has been identified as an NVIDIA driver reporting issue, and is being corrected on a future NVIDIA driver update.
Sorry I don't have any ETA's or further updates at this time... will continue to update on it.
Looking forward to seeing what the newer drivers do to this issue.
About the only thing it will do is allow software to properly report the Power % (hopefully). Currently, the drivers do not allow the Power % to be displayed correctly for many people. As a result, the Power % reported in software looks lower than it actually is.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 17:48:42
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Nice.. though some would beg to differ since using a different bios fixed the issue.
But here's to hope!
That is because that particular BIOS may have some other power limits increased or removed, allowing for higher power consumption.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 17:59:18
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To confirm it's a driver issue:
Someone with FTW3, compare Kill A Watt measurement when running 8k superposition benchmark @ 118% vs 127% power target.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 18:09:12
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This issue has been identified as an NVIDIA driver reporting issue, and is being corrected on a future NVIDIA driver update.
Are you aware that Kingpin stock bios (OC & LN2) suffer from the same limit (120% = 360W instead of 130% = 390W), but the separately downloaded "extreme watercooling OC bios" works correctly (>130%), using the same driver ? https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2730043
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 18:47:18
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To confirm it's a driver issue:
Someone with FTW3, compare Kill A Watt measurement when running 8k superposition benchmark @ 118% vs 127% power target.
Just did that using my kingpin on the oc vbios. 119% = 505 watt max observed. 130% = 512 watt max observed. Extreme watercooling oc vbios @ 150% = 550w max observed.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 18:55:37
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I could try the same tonight.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 19:11:19
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This is more than a driver issue as I've stated before it is also hardware/bios related. Nice try.... but not buying it. I don't want fake drivers. Additional power consumption is exactly what we want bought and paid for.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 19:28:20
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I don't want fake drivers.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 19:58:08
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Interesting. I have asked this a couple of times....does anyone else with an EVGA 1080 Ti FE typically hit 127% power target while benching or is it just me?
I hit 118% regularly benching with occasional spike to 120-122%
What FE do you own and what is the bios version?
Well, not to sound snarky, I own the Evga 1080 Ti FE.  I previously flashed the XOC BIOS just for giggles....didn't do a thing besides make the fan speed wonky. Currently running the stock BIOS Version 86.02.39.00.90. If I set everything up for a bench run of say +200 core and +800 memory, I spike at 127% every time. Pretty much every driver version I can remember. So there may be some truth to the claim that power reporting isn't always accurate per system. Maybe I'll gain performance because it's reporting power usage higher than it actually is and the GPU is throttling prematurely for power...I can dream... 
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 22:23:49
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I ran some tests with Superposition Benchmark 8k benchmark with a Kill-a-Watt..
Cant remember the exact numbers now as it was the first tests I ran tonight.. Seemed like a 10watt difference peek between 117% and 127%.
Didn't max out the clocks on my 1080ftw3 elite.. they danced a lot and seemed to run low in the 2000Mhz ??
Anyways jumped on timespy as I know it will hold the clocks..
117% I seen like 525watt peek and 127% like 532Watts.
I will say I noticed the timespy demo pull more power then the tests that followed.
Don't know how scientific this test is.. maybe should run stock clocks and max the voltage and adjust the power per test.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/14 22:37:32
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Ok.. done like I said above defaults with just the voltage maxed..
117% top is 525watts. 127% top is 537watts.
That's in timespy demo. Just the demo not the benchmarks to follow as the wattage is lower.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/15 04:23:33
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This is more than a driver issue as I've stated before it is also hardware/bios related. Nice try.... but not buying it. I don't want fake drivers.
Additional power consumption is exactly what we want bought and paid for.
I agree and I hope EVGA would not risk fudging the numbers just to appease the mob.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/15 06:07:34
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About the only thing it will do is allow software to properly report the Power % (hopefully). Currently, the drivers do not allow the Power % to be displayed correctly for many people. As a result, the Power % reported in software looks lower than it actually is.
Sadly, this is what I was expecting to see as far as a "fix". Either way, I am going to keep my FTW3 but this has put a real sour taste in my mouth over what was advertised and what was delivered.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/15 08:33:28
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Assuming that it is just a case of incorrect reporting of power % (and the card is actually doing what is supposed to), then I want to see a before and after of the "fix/new driver" with identical power draw.
And then compare to whatever custom bios it was that does show the correct max power %. They should all draw the same power if the reply from EVGA is true.
I was hoping for a little extra grunt from my GPU with a "fix", but would rather have it be incorrect display of the power % than the card actually not doing what it is supposed to.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/15 13:03:26
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Anyone tried to see if the minimum/avg core voltage is lower on 8K superposition at 118% power target vs 127% ? Maximize the voltage slider before this test.
If there's no difference in the voltages, the issue isn't just driver-related.
More straightforward test:
Is the 8K superposition benchmark score higher @ 127% vs 118% ? Do 2-3 runs and take the average.
If there's a difference, then the higher power limit of slave bios is actually working and the issue is driver-related.
Before this test, maximize the voltage slider and make sure the highest voltage you get in 1080p superposition (which uses less power) is 1093mV (use the V/F curve if required).
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/15 14:07:49
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Have not tried your way but I did save the screen shot from both tests in superpostion and didn't notice much of s difference at all.. that and the fact thst the clocks were all over the place and not maxed at my overclock speed made me think it wasn't a large enough load and tried timespy.
Using afterburner curve since pxoc does not give me a stable overclock using the normal method.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/15 14:15:18
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13 points difference between 119% and 130%.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/15 14:23:17
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Is that for 8k or 1080?? Wondering if maybe the card was just chocking at 8k for why the clocks were all over the place.. kind of like the same at 4k benchmarks but stable at 1080.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/15 14:40:24
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Is that for 8k or 1080?? Wondering if maybe the card was just shocking at 8k for ehy the clocks were all ocer the place.. kind of like the same at 4k benchmarks but stable at 1080.
8k.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/15 15:44:59
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13 points difference between 119% and 130%.
On the FTW3 slave bios? Then the power limit is not working as the difference is <0,3%. This is not a driver reporting issue, as the performance is actually being limited.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/15 15:48:48
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I think on mine was like a 4-5 point difference but I'm not at my pc atm.. Will check later.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/15 16:06:00
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13 points difference between 119% and 130%.
On the FTW3 slave bios? Then the power limit is not working as the difference is <0,3%.
This is not a driver reporting issue, as the performance is actually being limited.
Kingpin oc vbios.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/15 16:09:57
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Kingpin oc vbios.
OK, Kingpin OC & LN2 bios suffers from the same issue so the same conclusion applies to FTW3: not a driver issue.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/15 21:04:23
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Interesting. I have asked this a couple of times....does anyone else with an EVGA 1080 Ti FE typically hit 127% power target while benching or is it just me?
I hit 118% regularly benching with occasional spike to 120-122%
What FE do you own and what is the bios version?
Well, not to sound snarky, I own the Evga 1080 Ti FE. I previously flashed the XOC BIOS just for giggles....didn't do a thing besides make the fan speed wonky. Currently running the stock BIOS Version 86.02.39.00.90. If I set everything up for a bench run of say +200 core and +800 memory, I spike at 127% every time. Pretty much every driver version I can remember. So there may be some truth to the claim that power reporting isn't always accurate per system. Maybe I'll gain performance because it's reporting power usage higher than it actually is and the GPU is throttling prematurely for power...I can dream...
Doesn't explain why I get better bench scores from OCed FE. If it's just not reporting correctly and some how actually boosting higher just not being reported then the logic is it would show in results. That is not the case for me anyhow. Doesn't really explain why your FE hits a higher power target that I can with an FTW3 with the same driver either.
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