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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/11 19:15:58
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It's not fixed, and this thread should not be marked as such peroid. Glad the OP is happy, but if I started another thread with the same issue what would you do? We all know you would close the thread, which is why it is wrong.
Some of us are waiting for a response to our ticket with EVGA issuing a fix. That hasn't happened so; THERE IS NO OFFICIAL EVGA SUPPORTED FIX Unless I missed an answer in my inbox.
I'm glad some were helped, but the bios in the OP won't flash to my FTW3. My problem remains, and you have closed the issue that still exists for me, and I suspect other.
I don't think you understand that sweeping this under the rug is only making it all worse. Look at the number of views of this thread and consider how many people could be disgusted with the way we have been treated. We are customers seeking help from the manufacturer who has been forgotten, ignored, and dropped our tickets like a hot potato.
Sadly, it's going to be accurate as I predicted long ago. We won't see a fix before 1180 comes out in the hope it will all be forgotten then.
Spare me more excuses and lame rebuttals have EVGA answer my ticket with a fix.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/11 20:25:20
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I'm glad some were helped, but the bios in the OP won't flash to my FTW3.
What error are you receiving?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/12 06:54:46
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Sadly, we have came to the day when speaking with your wallet is the only way you are heard. I personally have owned 3 evga cards, 2 motherboards, 2 or 3 power supplies, 2 cases, etc etc. My next card will be straight from Nvidia, not only for more waterblocks to be available but more to the point that when someone spends this kind of hard earned money on a "hobby for most of us" they are to be taken care of and not lied to. Terrible to see things like this happen, this is what loses you customers.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/12 06:55:38
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And a bios from an outside source is a band-aid and not an official fix. Remember this thread when the next gens come out,
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2018/06/12 08:46:58
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I have a problem with it. Other people have a problem with it. The OP is long gone. That is the worst stance you could take. Just because the author has no voice, opinion, or stake in the matter doesn't mean that this community has no voice, opinion, or stake in the matter. Quit making excuses. You never had permission to edit the OP in the first place. It is not a matter of discussion. You have exceeded the bounds of your role far beyond what anyone here would consider acceptable. If you quit looking it as a means to an end and start looking at it at face value, you altered someone's perfectly legitimate post with the sole intent of disseminating your view in a way no other person on this forum is able. It is an egregious abuse of power which no one should stand for. If the solution you present is so important to you, split your view from the OP, create a new thread, and sticky it. That's what EVGA employees and responsible representatives of EVGA do.
Well, this is too bad. I guess EVGA has decided to be a coward and let moderators do whatever they want because it is just way easier than fessing up about the issue and creating more unwanted publicity in a sticky post. Cowards. Down with EVGA. Down with power-hungry moderators who abuse their power. Moderators, from now on, please edit every one of my posts to reflect some conclusion which I didn't make. While you're at it, you should add as one of the terms for forum usage. "Moderators may change your post at any time for any reason, without warning, and make it appear that you have any opinion or view which suits their desires. In order to opt-out of this 'service', you must catch them in the act and explicitly, as the author, request that they remove their own words or opinions from your post." It's bad for business, it makes customers mad, but what do you care? It makes one customer happy while angering three others. I am sure you'll figure it out eventually.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/12 11:00:05
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☄ Helpfulby Cool GTX 2018/10/20 20:58:32
Please see the following message that was posted on March 14th. This still applies today and unfortunately we are not able to provide an OFFICIAL BIOS that goes around the rules that are in place. This is not an EVGA only rule, ALL manufacturers must follow this: There are several rules/guidelines that need to be followed on the way that NVIDIA graphics cards both read and use the power available on the card. This becomes even more complicated when you have multiple power inputs both drawing different amounts of power, and we are not permitted to ship a card and/or BIOS that goes around these rules or breaks them.
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1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op)
2018/06/12 11:16:52
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I have a problem with it. Other people have a problem with it. The OP is long gone. That is the worst stance you could take. Just because the author has no voice, opinion, or stake in the matter doesn't mean that this community has no voice, opinion, or stake in the matter. Quit making excuses. You never had permission to edit the OP in the first place. It is not a matter of discussion. You have exceeded the bounds of your role far beyond what anyone here would consider acceptable. If you quit looking it as a means to an end and start looking at it at face value, you altered someone's perfectly legitimate post with the sole intent of disseminating your view in a way no other person on this forum is able. It is an egregious abuse of power which no one should stand for. If the solution you present is so important to you, split your view from the OP, create a new thread, and sticky it. That's what EVGA employees and responsible representatives of EVGA do.
Well, this is too bad. I guess EVGA has decided to be a coward and let moderators do whatever they want because it is just way easier than fessing up about the issue and creating more unwanted publicity in a sticky post. Cowards.
Down with EVGA. Down with power-hungry moderators who abuse their power.
Moderators, from now on, please edit every one of my posts to reflect some conclusion which I didn't make. While you're at it, you should add as one of the terms for forum usage. "Moderators may change your post at any time for any reason, without warning, and make it appear that you have any opinion or view which suits their desires. In order to opt-out of this 'service', you must catch them in the act and explicitly, as the author, request that they remove their own words or opinions from your post."
It's bad for business, it makes customers mad, but what do you care? It makes one customer happy while angering three others. I am sure you'll figure it out eventually.
I received a private message from the op, and he said he was fine with the changes I made, and would like to keep the op the way it is.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/12 11:47:44
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Please see the following message that was posted on March 14th. This still applies today and unfortunately we are not able to provide an OFFICIAL BIOS that goes around the rules that are in place. This is not an EVGA only rule, ALL manufacturers must follow this:
There are several rules/guidelines that need to be followed on the way that NVIDIA graphics cards both read and use the power available on the card. This becomes even more complicated when you have multiple power inputs both drawing different amounts of power, and we are not permitted to ship a card and/or BIOS that goes around these rules or breaks them.
Then why market a FTW card or any other card that has an option to have power limits up to 127%? That is misleading and utter BS for buyers who spend hard earned money expecting a top of the line 1080 Ti to be gimped from the get go! Shouldn't I just get a refund for the price difference from a basic card since it basically performs like a standard card?
post edited by mark_thaddeus - 2018/06/12 11:49:55
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/12 11:50:43
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EVGA_JacobF
Please see the following message that was posted on March 14th. This still applies today and unfortunately we are not able to provide an OFFICIAL BIOS that goes around the rules that are in place. This is not an EVGA only rule, ALL manufacturers must follow this:
There are several rules/guidelines that need to be followed on the way that NVIDIA graphics cards both read and use the power available on the card. This becomes even more complicated when you have multiple power inputs both drawing different amounts of power, and we are not permitted to ship a card and/or BIOS that goes around these rules or breaks them.
So, the card is defective due to an engineering mistake? Or is it falsely advertised? Neither is good.
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2018/06/12 11:54:35
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I have a problem with it. Other people have a problem with it. The OP is long gone. That is the worst stance you could take. Just because the author has no voice, opinion, or stake in the matter doesn't mean that this community has no voice, opinion, or stake in the matter. Quit making excuses. You never had permission to edit the OP in the first place. It is not a matter of discussion. You have exceeded the bounds of your role far beyond what anyone here would consider acceptable. If you quit looking it as a means to an end and start looking at it at face value, you altered someone's perfectly legitimate post with the sole intent of disseminating your view in a way no other person on this forum is able. It is an egregious abuse of power which no one should stand for. If the solution you present is so important to you, split your view from the OP, create a new thread, and sticky it. That's what EVGA employees and responsible representatives of EVGA do.
Well, this is too bad. I guess EVGA has decided to be a coward and let moderators do whatever they want because it is just way easier than fessing up about the issue and creating more unwanted publicity in a sticky post. Cowards.
Down with EVGA. Down with power-hungry moderators who abuse their power.
Moderators, from now on, please edit every one of my posts to reflect some conclusion which I didn't make. While you're at it, you should add as one of the terms for forum usage. "Moderators may change your post at any time for any reason, without warning, and make it appear that you have any opinion or view which suits their desires. In order to opt-out of this 'service', you must catch them in the act and explicitly, as the author, request that they remove their own words or opinions from your post."
It's bad for business, it makes customers mad, but what do you care? It makes one customer happy while angering three others. I am sure you'll figure it out eventually.
I received a private message from the op, and he said he was fine with the changes I made, and would like to keep the op the way it is.
Months later. Oh, congratulations. Good thing the OP is so clueless and empathetic. Everyone else knows what you did was wrong. In case you didn't know, the problem is not fixed. An unapproved hack which technically can void your video card's warranty is a poor solution for a card which is either defective or falsely advertised.
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2018/06/12 11:56:01
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Flashing the video card with the fixed vbios won't void the warranty as long as the main vbios isn't altered. The FTW3 comes with dual vbios, so flashing the slave with the fix won't void the warranty.
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2018/06/12 12:00:59
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Flashing the video card with the fixed vbios won't void the warranty as long as the main vbios isn't altered. The FTW3 comes with dual vbios, so flashing the slave with the fix won't void the warranty.
Duh. And if you already flashed the other BIOS with something else? Or you flash both BIOS positions? Or don't know what you are doing? Or don't read thoroughly? As stated "can void" and "is either defective or falsely advertised" in the words of EVGA.
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For the record, I had no issue with what Sajin did. I'm actually grateful. It fixed my power limit issue. Thanks again Sajin.
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2018/06/12 12:01:29
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For the record, I had no issue with what Sajin did. I'm actually grateful. It fixed my power limit issue.
Thanks again Sajin.
No problem.
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2018/06/12 12:22:10
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Flashing the video card with the fixed vbios won't void the warranty as long as the main vbios isn't altered. The FTW3 comes with dual vbios, so flashing the slave with the fix won't void the warranty.
Duh. And if you already flashed the other BIOS with something else? Or you flash both BIOS positions? Or don't know what you are doing? Or don't read thoroughly? As stated "can void" and "is either defective or falsely advertised" in the words of EVGA.
If you've already flashed the master with another vbios that isn't the original it's suggested you restore the master back to its original condition. If you accidentally flash both vbioses just make sure you flash the master vbios back to the original before sending it in for service. If the user already flashed the master with another vbios before reading this thread surely they know what they are doing.
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@ ty_ger07 Man, you really are one bitter, ungrateful... forum user. I was one of those that managed to get the ball rolling in this case (although there were multiple OPs that reported the same thing, but in the end the user gave up easily). I gathered data, opened a support case and insisted that there was a problem with the bios not the card itself, against some nay sayers. When I saw that more dedicated forum members got implicated in this matter, I tended to irl activities and only took a peek once a month or so. I haven't even installed the BIOS fix due to time constraints, although Sajin informed me that the community managed to source this out. I believe that EVGA falsely promoted this product and now throws the blame on NVidia restrictions (which they new of from the beginning). This is a fix, nonetheless, a community one indeed (with EVGA in the shadows due to NVidia policy), which does not void the warranty. Don't diminish the effort of those users that fought for this so we can have a higher power limit. I don't think other GPU manufacturers or communities would have done the same. Cheers and be respectful. PS: Yes, I agreed with the OP modifications. They are useful and a lot of time was consumed to create it. If you have a problem with it, return your card for false advertisement and change manufactures. That is the only way to be sure that EVGA listens.
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2018/06/12 12:53:51
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@ty_ger07 Man, you really are one bitter, ungrateful... forum user.
I was one of those that managed to get the ball rolling in this case (although there were multiple OPs that reported the same thing, but in the end the user gave up easily). I gathered data, opened a support case and insisted that there was a problem with the bios not the card itself, against some nay sayers. When I saw that more dedicated forum members got implicated in this matter, I tended to irl activities and only took a peek once a month or so. I haven't even installed the BIOS fix due to time constraints, although Sajin informed me that the community managed to source this out.
I believe that EVGA falsely promoted this product and now throws the blame on NVidia restrictions (which they new of from the beginning).
This is a fix, nonetheless, a community one indeed (with EVGA in the shadows due to NVidia policy), which does not void the warranty.
Don't diminish the effort of those users that fought for this so we can have a higher power limit. I don't think other GPU manufacturers or communities would have done the same.
Cheers and be respectful.
PS: Yes, I agreed with the OP modifications. They are useful and a lot of time was consumed to create it. If you have a problem with it, return your card for false advertisement and change manufactures. That is the only way to be sure that EVGA listens.
It sets a very bad precedent. Unpaid volunteer mods should not be editing or modifying posts ever, except for TOS violations no matter how useful you believe they are (the OP saying okay AFTER the fact is irrelevant) Also, claiming this is in fact a fix, is factually wrong. It is in fact a unofficial workaround for a defective (as advertized by EVGA) product, period. So, we in fact have a mod changing the title of a post to a lie. This is all separate from the actual issue of the defective EVGA product and the time and effort others went to at least bring attention to and get a WORK AROUND, not a FIX.
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He already asked for my permission the first time around and we were in contact after that. If I did the modifications it would have changed nothing but attribute the effort to me which is incorrect. This fix is from EVGA as stated multiple times but due to Nvidia policy they can't publicly issue it. I agree that they are at fault with false advertising and they should not be let off the hook so easily. You are entitled to return the card and get your money back, but I don't think you can get more than that.
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2018/06/12 15:07:49
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He already asked for my permission the first time around and we were in contact after that. If I did the modifications it would have changed nothing but attribute the effort to me which is incorrect.
This fix is from EVGA as stated multiple times but due to Nvidia policy they can't publicly issue it.
I agree that they are at fault with false advertising and they should not be let off the hook so easily. You are entitled to return the card and get your money back, but I don't think you can get more than that.
That's the problem, we can't get back our money anymore, so it's not as easy a fix as you say. I would if I could with this card, but I found out about the issue after 30 days of playing, testing, and going through the forums (I also don't spend everyday with my GPU as I have work and a a life). As for my next card, it won't be EVGA. You know what, I was supposed to buy a board and PSU from EVGA but that's changed too. I'm going back to Seasonic for my PSU (never had any issues with them and their high end stuff aren't falsely advertised) and ASUS for my MOBO as none of my Maximus boards have ever had issues (plus I got official BIOS updates).
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/12 15:21:52
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Please see the following message that was posted on March 14th. This still applies today and unfortunately we are not able to provide an OFFICIAL BIOS that goes around the rules that are in place. This is not an EVGA only rule, ALL manufacturers must follow this:
There are several rules/guidelines that need to be followed on the way that NVIDIA graphics cards both read and use the power available on the card. This becomes even more complicated when you have multiple power inputs both drawing different amounts of power, and we are not permitted to ship a card and/or BIOS that goes around these rules or breaks them.
One simple question regarding this response. Why then was a GPU advertised to go to 127% power knowing that it would not, so Nvidia is at fault here then is what I am understanding from this?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/12 15:23:55
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Actually one more, was it EVGA or Nvidia that stated this card on slave bios can go to 127%. The only reason I ask is the Founders 1080ti's never advertised they could go to 127%, only EVGA's FTW3 cards did? Am i missing something?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/12 15:29:28
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Actually one more, was it EVGA or Nvidia that stated this card on slave bios can go to 127%. The only reason I ask is the Founders 1080ti's never advertised they could go to 127%, only EVGA's FTW3 cards did? Am i missing something?
NVidia never claimed that it could go to 127% as their FE card only went to 117%.
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He already asked for my permission the first time around and we were in contact after that.
Someone is lying. Wreck3r
I haven't even installed the BIOS fix due to time constraints, although Sajin informed me that the community managed to source this out.
You haven't even tested the "solution" in months and months but have agreed for the admin, many months ago, to mark the complaint as fixed? Right on! That's just comical on top of the fact that EVGA themself has admitted that the issue is an engineering defect which is unfixable by any approved methods. A hack/workaround should not fit the same definition as a fix.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/12 16:08:21
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Actually one more, was it EVGA or Nvidia that stated this card on slave bios can go to 127%. The only reason I ask is the Founders 1080ti's never advertised they could go to 127%, only EVGA's FTW3 cards did? Am i missing something?
NVidia never claimed that it could go to 127% as their FE card only went to 117%.
Exactly, I think that is what is at the core of this. If you make or take something and say it will do X, and market it that way. It damn well better do X, or you have some explaining to do other than passing the buck to the parent company and the rules they have had in place for sometime now. It just puts a bad taste in your mouth, you know
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/12 16:09:31
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Just not good business, I have said my peace now I shall step aside.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/15 06:06:21
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Hi,
Not ideal but as stated many times talk to nvidia they are the problem
Advertising by evga well frankly I didn't even notice the little bios switch for a year or what the heck it did :D
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/21 02:32:42
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So how the heck can we get our money back for false advertising?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/06/21 08:54:07
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I was one of the "squeaky wheels" on this issue but am OK with how Sajin handled it. No need to blow up on him.
EVGA advertised a feature that ended up not being possible due to the guidelines of NVIDIA, from what I understand.
Although IMO very poor business practice, it seems they were not able to provide the fix officially because of these guidelines.
So, the bios via Kingpin website was offered as a "work around" of these guidelines for people that wanted it.
Flashing the bios on the slave position will not void the warranty, and it does indeed work.
It is a fix because it fixes the issue. The only difference is that it is from an unofficial source and not EVGA.
I don't understand the argument that it is not a fix at all.
In reality (my testing), there was very little benefit in going from 117% to 127%, at least for those of us on air cooling. I barely notice it in benchmarks depending on ambient temp and for sure not at all in games.
What does rub me the wrong way is EVGA unpinning the thread, since it is usually standard for them to leave "fix" type threads pinned for anyone to easily find the info.
The result for me is that my card now works as advertised and I will definitely be wary of opting for the top of the line EVGA modified GPU vs the base model GPU in the future.
It sucks and EVGA made a mistake.
Beyond that, if that possible extra tiny amount of performance from the GPU is really important, flash the unofficial fix and be done with it.
Learn from the experience and speak with your wallet next time. Don't buy the FTW, Classified, or similar EVGA modified GPU (or any EVGA product for that matter).
In my decade of experience with EVGA products, this type of issue is very rare and I usually receive exceptional customer service.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/07/09 18:13:13
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I did the bios flash on my 6694 1080Ti ftw3 DT, but my card doesnt like it. it crashes on all bench marks as soon as it hits 2000MHz. I need to flash it back to stock 6694 bios but cant find them, now. will some one save me from reading threw 34 pages, and give me some instructions to flash back to the stock slave bios.  Thanks.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (Issue has been fixed, see op
2018/07/09 18:29:36
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I did the bios flash on my 6694 1080Ti ftw3 DT, but my card doesnt like it. it crashes on all bench marks as soon as it hits 2000MHz. I need to flash it back to stock 6694 bios but cant find them, now.
will some one save me from reading threw 34 pages, and give me some instructions to flash back to the stock slave bios.
Thanks.
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I can't find the original ftw3 dt vbios, so the best thing you could do would be to... #1 Just run the master vbios, or... #2 Slightly underclock the card while using the slave vbios. If you're not happy with the above solutions you could contact evga, and ask them for the original slave .rom file.
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