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I called yesterday and follow some instructions that were given to me by EVGA Support. and still have the following results.
I have an ambient case temperature of 23.6 degrees Celsius (Laser thermometer on chassis next to MB). My CPU (i7-8700k with Corsair H115i AIO) will max out at 52 degrees Celsius at full load.
My FTW3 Hybrid idles at 38 degrees and is hitting 77 to 78 in games. 3840x2160, Ultra in Overwatch.
I have the radiator top mounted as an intake in a push configuration. Per the suggestion of phone support i dismounted the radiator and shook it to ensure if any bubbles would be removed (?).
I have tried Slave and Master bios in default configurations. I have re-imaged my machine and installed more case fans.
Now this is my first ever Nvidia card so I have no baseline to compare, and I understand the 1080 ti is a powerful card. But I do not read anything online that shows this card, with the Hybrid cooler, remotely touching these temperatures. I am not too worried about damaging the card as I know this temp is not out of safe range but I am afraid of I do not mention this, that if there is a pump problem or something, it will break once out of warranty.
I have left everything default in xOC, i have not yet attempted to OC this card any further. I have tried Aggressive and Silent fan defaults though, both produce similar results.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 14:54:10
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Yep, something is wrong for sure.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 15:04:13
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Mid 40's C is what you should be seeing on load.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 15:25:50
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Could be that it's not getting good enough air flow to properly dissipate the heat. Ambient temps don't really mean anything if your case isn't letting your components breathe. The reviews you are seeing them in the mid 40C range are in open air test benches and generally shouldn't be expected to be repeated in typical use. The cooler is definitely working as you aren't overheating the card, however it's also not cooling it any better than a stock air cooler would. I would suggest checking your airflow in your case.
It also could be something like the cooler not making even contact between the cold plate and GPU die. A simple remounting and reapplying thermal paste should remedy this and is also worth trying. But definitely check your air flow in the case first.
A simple way to check if your fans are actually moving air is to tie small threads to the backside of your intake fans. If they aren't blowing in the breeze you may have what is called negative air pressure in your case.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 15:31:25
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I've not seen a setup pic on here with someone with a hybrid in a open bench. I've had 2 1080 hybrids in my thermaltake core 9 case in sli and the temps were in the 40s on load.. rads mounted up top exhausting the heat out. The front intake was a 120.2 rad blowing in heat from the cpu in push/pull. All the rest of the fans were exhaust fans.. so negative pressure. If he opens the side panel and still sees those temps then it's the pump on its last legs or dead. Common thing around here.. every week a few people with dead pumps reported.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 15:44:59
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I was trying to post an image but its giving me fist so here it is: Phanteks Enthoo Primo (best case I have ever owned) All Noctua Fans except the AIO's 2 front F12 as intake 2 Bottom A14 as intake 1 A14 lower rear intake FTW3 Top Intake Push configuration H115i Top 2 140mm's intake push config. 1 A14 Top Reat exhaust FTW3 fan Echaust
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 15:48:09
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I've not seen a setup pic on here with someone with a hybrid in a open bench.
I've had 2 1080 hybrids in my thermaltake core 9 case in sli and the temps were in the 40s on load.. rads mounted up top exhausting the heat out.
The front intake was a 120.2 rad blowing in heat from the cpu in push/pull. All the rest of the fans were exhaust fans.. so negative pressure.
If he opens the side panel and still sees those temps then it's the pump on its last legs or dead.
Common thing around here.. every week a few people with dead pumps reported.
Not every situation is as black and white as "dead pump" or "working pump". I know you think you know everything around here but clearly you don't and your dismissive nature of not even wanting him to try testing things only exemplifies this. I don't care how many things you claim to have used or owned I guarantee you I have used and owned more. But that's not what this is about. All cases are NOT created equal and some are very very bad when it comes to air flow and that directly impacts cooling.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 15:49:33
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I've not seen a setup pic on here with someone with a hybrid in a open bench.
I've had 2 1080 hybrids in my thermaltake core 9 case in sli and the temps were in the 40s on load.. rads mounted up top exhausting the heat out.
The front intake was a 120.2 rad blowing in heat from the cpu in push/pull. All the rest of the fans were exhaust fans.. so negative pressure.
If he opens the side panel and still sees those temps then it's the pump on its last legs or dead.
Common thing around here.. every week a few people with dead pumps reported.
I have tried open side and closed, I have even put a house fan directly on the PC to see if I could get it to drop. I will say once it hits 72, it creeps 1 degree about every 5 minutes while gaming, the highest I have it was 81.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 15:50:51
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You could attempt to remove the cooler and check to see if the cooler is making contact.. but looks like a dead pump to me.
Is the air coming off the rad fan warm or hot?? Thst would show that the lines are not pumping heat to the rad to dissapate.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 15:54:06
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I was trying to post an image but its giving me fist so here it is:
Phanteks Enthoo Primo (best case I have ever owned)
All Noctua Fans except the AIO's
2 front F12 as intake
2 Bottom A14 as intake
1 A14 lower rear intake
FTW3 Top Intake Push configuration
H115i Top 2 140mm's intake push config.
1 A14 Top Reat exhaust
FTW3 fan Echaust
Ahh well that does explain some things. That case is not optimal for air flow regardless of where you place the case fans. The front panel simply doesn't have enough ventilation to let the front case fans breathe so they are just spinning for the sake of spinning. Try removing the side panel and place a fan if you can directly at the case and see what the temps reach. EDIT: I see you have tried removing the side panel. Try remounting the cooler on the card and verifying if it's making proper contact with the GPU.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 15:54:52
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I've not seen a setup pic on here with someone with a hybrid in a open bench.
I've had 2 1080 hybrids in my thermaltake core 9 case in sli and the temps were in the 40s on load.. rads mounted up top exhausting the heat out.
The front intake was a 120.2 rad blowing in heat from the cpu in push/pull. All the rest of the fans were exhaust fans.. so negative pressure.
If he opens the side panel and still sees those temps then it's the pump on its last legs or dead.
Common thing around here.. every week a few people with dead pumps reported.
Not every situation is as black and white as "dead pump" or "working pump".
I know you think you know everything around here but clearly you don't and your dismissive nature of not even wanting him to try testing things only exemplifies this. I don't care how many things you claim to have used or owned I guarantee you I have used and owned more. But that's not what this is about. All cases are NOT created equal and some are very very bad when it comes to air flow and that directly impacts cooling.
Sorry to cause friction, but I am a pretty experienced PC builder and an enthusiast to the core. I have always been a ATI (showing my age)/AMD loyalist, but these 1080's just simply could not be touched in benches, so I decided to finally swap to Nvidia. So, as I would like to think I am missing something concerning airflow, I think I have it covered. If it were an issue my CPU would be showing higher than normal temperatures as well, but I am right in range of most everyone I have seen at the same clock speeds. I asked the community simply because of my ignorance of troubleshooting issues concerning Nvidia based cards, and my results are vastly different than what I have seen in researching the issue.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 15:56:25
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I've not seen a setup pic on here with someone with a hybrid in a open bench.
I've had 2 1080 hybrids in my thermaltake core 9 case in sli and the temps were in the 40s on load.. rads mounted up top exhausting the heat out.
The front intake was a 120.2 rad blowing in heat from the cpu in push/pull. All the rest of the fans were exhaust fans.. so negative pressure.
If he opens the side panel and still sees those temps then it's the pump on its last legs or dead.
Common thing around here.. every week a few people with dead pumps reported.
Not every situation is as black and white as "dead pump" or "working pump".
I know you think you know everything around here but clearly you don't and your dismissive nature of not even wanting him to try testing things only exemplifies this. I don't care how many things you claim to have used or owned I guarantee you I have used and owned more. But that's not what this is about. All cases are NOT created equal and some are very very bad when it comes to air flow and that directly impacts cooling.
Seriously? You want go there? Sounds ignorant to state such a claim when you know nothing about someone. Been in pc's since 95. Water cooling since water cooling was a thing. Overclocking since overclocking was a thing as well. I usually upgrade the pc once a year and usually upgrade when there's something new out.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 15:58:14
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Do you feel any vibration on the tubes? If no, it's most likely a faulty pump.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 15:58:19
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I've not seen a setup pic on here with someone with a hybrid in a open bench.
I've had 2 1080 hybrids in my thermaltake core 9 case in sli and the temps were in the 40s on load.. rads mounted up top exhausting the heat out.
The front intake was a 120.2 rad blowing in heat from the cpu in push/pull. All the rest of the fans were exhaust fans.. so negative pressure.
If he opens the side panel and still sees those temps then it's the pump on its last legs or dead.
Common thing around here.. every week a few people with dead pumps reported.
Not every situation is as black and white as "dead pump" or "working pump".
I know you think you know everything around here but clearly you don't and your dismissive nature of not even wanting him to try testing things only exemplifies this. I don't care how many things you claim to have used or owned I guarantee you I have used and owned more. But that's not what this is about. All cases are NOT created equal and some are very very bad when it comes to air flow and that directly impacts cooling.
Sorry to cause friction, but I am a pretty experienced PC builder and an enthusiast to the core. I have always been a ATI (showing my age)/AMD loyalist, but these 1080's just simply could not be touched in benches, so I decided to finally swap to Nvidia. So, as I would like to think I am missing something concerning airflow, I think I have it covered. If it were an issue my CPU would be showing higher than normal temperatures as well, but I am right in range of most everyone I have seen at the same clock speeds.
I asked the community simply because of my ignorance of troubleshooting issues concerning Nvidia based cards, and my results are vastly different than what I have seen in researching the issue.
No friction as I simply don't care enough to argue with him. Anyway no you're not correct in assuming your CPU would be showing similar results as it doesn't generate as much heat as your GTX 1080Ti. Furthermore your GTX 1080Ti only has a 120m radiator to dissipate it's greater heat load and thus is far more sensitive to air flow over the fins of it's radiator.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 16:01:24
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I've told many to reseat the by rid cooler and I can't remember one telling me it fixed the issue. Certainly he can try and see with risk of braking the card and then not getting an rma. But if he or she is up for it and has done this sort of thing before then by all means go for it.. I would if it was me. Just don't slip with the screw driver! Done that a few times but was able to solder those tiny resistors or re connect cut traces years ago.. doubt these eyes could do it now. Haha
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 16:07:18
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I've not seen a setup pic on here with someone with a hybrid in a open bench.
I've had 2 1080 hybrids in my thermaltake core 9 case in sli and the temps were in the 40s on load.. rads mounted up top exhausting the heat out.
The front intake was a 120.2 rad blowing in heat from the cpu in push/pull. All the rest of the fans were exhaust fans.. so negative pressure.
If he opens the side panel and still sees those temps then it's the pump on its last legs or dead.
Common thing around here.. every week a few people with dead pumps reported.
Not every situation is as black and white as "dead pump" or "working pump".
I know you think you know everything around here but clearly you don't and your dismissive nature of not even wanting him to try testing things only exemplifies this. I don't care how many things you claim to have used or owned I guarantee you I have used and owned more. But that's not what this is about. All cases are NOT created equal and some are very very bad when it comes to air flow and that directly impacts cooling.
Seriously? You want go there? Sounds ignorant to state such a claim when you know nothing about someone.
Been in pc's since 95. Water cooling since water cooling was a thing. Overclocking since overclocking was a thing as well.
I usually upgrade the pc once a year and usually upgrade when there's something new out.
LOL please don't get me started. I'm not going to bother stating my resume as validation for someone on the forums that has no idea who I am  This is my last reply to you in this thread as I refuse to let you derail this guys issue.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 16:15:29
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 16:19:21
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Do you feel any vibration on the tubes? If no, it's most likely a faulty pump.
As Sajin mentioned, are the tubes vibrating fella? My card generally idles in the 20s and on full load hits 47-50c on the GPU temp with GPU clock at 2062Mhz and memory at 12100mhz @1440p (165Mhz). Tubes should have a gentle vibration. Shroud fan at 45-50%
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 18:01:00
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AHowes
I've told many to reseat the by rid cooler and I can't remember one telling me it fixed the issue.
Certainly he can try and see with risk of braking the card and then not getting an rma. But if he or she is up for it and has done this sort of thing before then by all means go for it.. I would if it was me.
Just don't slip with the screw driver! Done that a few times but was able to solder those tiny resistors or re connect cut traces years ago.. doubt these eyes could do it now. Haha
I think I will give it a shot, I actually may shoot a video for the hell of it. I have two thermal compounds: IC Diamond and Gelid GC Extreme - Coin Flip? or do you have a strong suggestion of one over the other?
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 18:12:32
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I was trying to post an image but its giving me fist so here it is:
Phanteks Enthoo Primo (best case I have ever owned)
All Noctua Fans except the AIO's
2 front F12 as intake
2 Bottom A14 as intake
1 A14 lower rear intake
FTW3 Top Intake Push configuration
H115i Top 2 140mm's intake push config.
1 A14 Top Reat exhaust
FTW3 fan Echaust
Personally, I'd run both GPU and CPU as push/pull exhaust. You're dumping a whole lot hot air into your case. I suspect with so much positive (intake) pressure, the 120mm rad on the GPU is barely getting any flow.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
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Watch the personal attacks CraptacularOne. Thanks.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 18:15:43
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I would say if your cables are routed well (like they are in your picture) you should be in a 25-30C range when idle. Definitely nowhere near 38C; something's wrong with the cooler.
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johnvoss619
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/17 19:20:26
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Could be a bad pump like mines. I also contacted tech support via email and they said to gently shake the radiator also but that did not help at all. I still got a 70c on evga precision xoc when running heaven benchmark. After exiting the program, temps would creep slowly back down.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/18 10:48:39
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I replaced the TIM and now I am seeing the following results:
Idle (5 min of rest, aggressive fan preset) - 31c
Load in Overwatch (just to keep things consistent) 62c
One thing I did notice that was very different before is that it took longer for the temp to creep up.
Second, before it would cool much faster than it does now. Like from 78c to low 40's in under a minute.
It is just a slow decline in temp now from that 62c, it took all of 5 min for the temp to get back to 31c.
I consider this much better - does anyone see any issue with this now?
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/18 11:18:32
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Seeing the photo you posted, your case looks to have more than enough airflow(looks very clean too!). Seeing that high of temps seems way high from hardware reviews & other customer reviews. I know running 3840x2160 will really put more then usual stress on a card, but I've heard the Hybrid's are more than capable of keeping temps well under control. 62C still seems high to me, but then again, many reviewers run open test benches, which can & usually does, greatly improve temps. If it was me personally, I'd keep digging deeper. 62C underload, can nearly be ahcieved with the ACX 2.0 cooler with half way decent fan speed. Something has to be wrong.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/18 11:58:37
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butadol
I replaced the TIM and now I am seeing the following results:
Idle (5 min of rest, aggressive fan preset) - 31c
Load in Overwatch (just to keep things consistent) 62c
One thing I did notice that was very different before is that it took longer for the temp to creep up.
Second, before it would cool much faster than it does now. Like from 78c to low 40's in under a minute.
It is just a slow decline in temp now from that 62c, it took all of 5 min for the temp to get back to 31c.
I consider this much better - does anyone see any issue with this now?
That looks to be about what you should be expecting with your current setup/configuration. Good to see it was just a thermal paste issue and you didn't waste time with RMA on a perfectly good card. There is more to be gained for sure, you can probably shave another 10C off load with a better case for optimal air flow but that entails rebuilding your whole PC just for 10C and I wouldn't advise anyone to bother with that.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/18 12:15:17
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Glad to see there was an improvement after swapping the thermal paste. 
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/18 13:44:05
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Is say rma but evga will want to wait for the pump to flat out die before hand.. so it's on its way out. It bow long will it take beforehand and will it take the card with it? I'd just pay $150 and slap a real water block on it and $80-100 for a rad and another $80 for a pump ext ext. And then finally get those temps your expecting of 20c idle and 34c max on load. :) haha kidding. Anyways.. keep an eye on the temps. When she gets back to 70-80c you'll know what to do. Edit: seem like if you take the system out of the case.. slap it on a cardboard box and run it and you see thst crazy 67c on load then what will they say? Temps slow to fall cause the pump is not transferring the heat from the block to the rad for the fans to do it's job.
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Re: 1080 FTW3 Hybrid, Warm for water?
2018/01/18 13:48:06
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It's like unplug the fan and I bet the temps will bathe same.. in fact one could just test there water cooled card easy for a few mins without the pump on or installing the water lines just to test the card beforehand and the water block would act like a heatsink and prevent the card from cooking.
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