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2010/08/27 11:00:30 (permalink)
Well here is one that is certainly a candidate for it!

If you have an x58 MOBO and 6gigs of RAM. You have a perfect setup for the following info.

***Disclaimer*** I am not an expert. I made this post from my personal experience, and the need to reduce my electricity cost but still maintain my desire to be as productive as possible... Additionally, other posts have been made about many of these items, but I could not find a thread with all of the info as a collective group. So I take no credit, everyone else did all the hard work!!



OK... In my sig my system #2 and #3 are the only two folding. I am no longer Folding on my system #1 because I game about 4 hours every night on it. and it is off the rest of the time.

As you can see with the graph below, I went from running two 920's and two 260/216's to fold 200,00-250,000 and about 200 WU's per week.

Now I only produce with two 920's. That's it. So all the power usage to run the 260/216's 24/7 is no longer an expense.

These two 920's are now producing 350,000 ish per week and 5-7 WU's (As of pic below we still have 48 hours to go).

Here is what I have...

  • You need a Passkey. You must have one specifically for you!!! You can use the same passkey for multiple systems (I have been all year) (Link)
  • I make a folder on my desktop called FOLD@HM NEW on my desktop.
  • 6.30 for Windows (Link) EVGA Discussion (Link) what is not mentioned in there is, that the whole client now is just a zip file with the exe makes it really easy to get up and folding. Takes about 12 minutes including configuring.
  • I select save and put it in the folder I just made
  • I make a shortcut of the pretty bubbles of color
  • I drag the shortcut to my desktop
  • Then once I have the short cut of the Fold@Home on my desktop I change the settings of the "Target" in properties of that shortcut to this...
    • "C:\Users\BusinessComp\Desktop\FAH New\Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe" -smp -bigadv
    • ^^^The only part you need to add to your shortcut is -smp -bigadv with a space after the exe" then -smp another space then -bigadv (Pic below)
  • Then I followed this thread (Link) for my settings. Silly me. I do not remember them after two minutes So I need the helping hand every time!

That's it! Takes about a true 15-20  minutes (Depending on internet speeds and user speed)

My CPU's are both currently clocked @ 3.7Ghz and take about 2.12 days per batch. Temps never go over 60c on either water cooled system. Both of these systems are also used daily as business computers that are opening and closing spreadsheets all day as well as outlook and surfing (A lot!! lol)

I hope this helps folks that are wanting to fold but are having issues with electricity costs, or those that are new but do not want to run their GPU's.




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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/27 11:09:24 (permalink)
    Nice info AB I was wondering why it was getting so hard to catch up with you LOL I will use this guide once I finally get all the parts for my bigadv rig

       
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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/27 11:30:37 (permalink)
    Seems you like the new client AB!



     
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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/27 12:50:41 (permalink)
    nice guide AB :)

    i´ve never fold with my CPU, have a core i7 920@4.2ghz...

    soo, one question in general: that bigadv WU, how much does it take from the CPU load?

    thanks

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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/27 12:59:44 (permalink)
    100% just like the other smp wus, unless you specify different

    but before running the bigadv run 10 regular smp wus first, to get eligable  for the bonus points (much quicker)
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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/27 13:30:12 (permalink)
    Barbarossa

    100% just like the other smp wus, unless you specify different

    but before running the bigadv run 10 regular smp wus first, to get eligable  for the bonus points (much quicker)


    thanks for the quickly answer barbarossa... will give it a try :)

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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/27 13:35:57 (permalink)
    No prob, to get the regular ones just leave out the - bigadv

    BTW: bad news for you, Bayern just lost against K`lautern

     
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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/27 13:48:59 (permalink)
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    No prob, to get the regular ones just leave out the - bigadv

    BTW: bad news for you, Bayern just lost against K`lautern


    oki dokie

    i was watching it online, what a horrible game... :/  0-2 final result

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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/28 07:35:48 (permalink)
    Thanks all... I just hope this helps folks looking for an easier way

     
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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/28 11:24:09 (permalink)
    Why do you need 6gb of ram to fold the bigadv WU's? People report 2-3gb of memory usage when folding bigadv WU's. Is it so you will have memory for other apps?



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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/28 15:03:03 (permalink)
    When running -bigadv, does it completely cripple your computer? You mention that you were using Excel and surfing the web, but what about watching videos? Obviously, I would pause it to game, but how much of a detriment exactly? I know I can watch full 1080p videos on Youtube while still running A3 perfectly fine, but -bigadv is new to me.

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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/28 15:29:00 (permalink)
    sinsear

    When running -bigadv, does it completely cripple your computer? You mention that you were using Excel and surfing the web, but what about watching videos? Obviously, I would pause it to game, but how much of a detriment exactly? I know I can watch full 1080p videos on Youtube while still running A3 perfectly fine, but -bigadv is new to me.


    nope it doesn't I was watching tv and doing my normal thing sometimes play games.
    But if you need to play a hardcore game you have to shut it off.
    I was doing this back when you have to do -bigadv in linux and you have to gpu folding the hard way in *nix.
    Pretty much everything works find other then anything that is CPU intensive like encoding.
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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/28 15:49:14 (permalink)
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    sinsear

    When running -bigadv, does it completely cripple your computer? You mention that you were using Excel and surfing the web, but what about watching videos? Obviously, I would pause it to game, but how much of a detriment exactly? I know I can watch full 1080p videos on Youtube while still running A3 perfectly fine, but -bigadv is new to me.


    nope it doesn't I was watching tv and doing my normal thing sometimes play games.
    But if you need to play a hardcore game you have to shut it off.
    I was doing this back when you have to do -bigadv in linux and you have to gpu folding the hard way in *nix.
    Pretty much everything works find other then anything that is CPU intensive like encoding.


    Cool, thanks for clarifying. I don't plan on gaming or encoding/transcoding anytime soon while folding on my CPU, so it sounds like everything is a go. However, do you set the priority in task manager to low or something for -bigadv? Do you use something like project lasso?

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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/28 16:49:53 (permalink)
    Are you running a big network? I guessing if your running project lasso and that your running Win 7 Enterprise.
    You don't have to play with anything in the task manager. Usually all folding at home processes run at low priority. So you should have no problem with event logs and such. I'm also sure you wouldn't have no problems with Active directory since normal task with take priority.
    Like right now I'm using remote desktop from my notebook. So I can do stuff on my I7 machine and its running like a breeze. Cpu folding and gpu folding running.
    Good luck man
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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/28 18:54:22 (permalink)
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    My CPU's are both currently clocked @ 3.7Ghz and take about 2.12 days per batch. Temps never go over 60c on either water cooled system. Both of these systems are also used daily as business computers that are opening and closing spreadsheets all day as well as outlook and surfing (A lot!! lol)



    Holy crap are you serious?  I have a 920 o/c to 4.0 with my ram at 1950mhz and my processing time on -bigadv units takes 3 days 6-7 hours.  How are you getting 2.12 days at 3.7GHz?  What are the rest of your system's specs (ram speed, timings, etc)?
     
     

     

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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/29 02:09:00 (permalink)
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    100% just like the other smp wus, unless you specify different

    but before running the bigadv run 10 regular smp wus first, to get eligable  for the bonus points (much quicker)

    Is this each and everytime you run the client, a monthly min, an everyday min, or do you just need to accumulate 10 total smp wu's before the bonus kicks in each and everytime from now on. Thanks.


    Folding@Home Points FAQ
    Bonus point formula

    Briefly summarizing our bonus formula, the bonus is applied for users who have a passkey, have successfully returned at least 10 bonus-eligible WU's, successfully return >=80% of assigned WU's, and return the WU before the preferred deadline. Bonus points do not apply to partial returns.

    Our bonus formula calculates final points as follows: final_points = base_points * max(1,sqrt(k*deadline_length/elapsed_time)) Note that the max(1,...) ensures that final_points are never lower than base_points.

    We can convert this formula to points per day as follows: PPD = base_PPD * speed_ratio * max(1,sqrt(x*speed_ratio)), where speed_ratio is the machine speed relative to the Core i5, and x = k * deadline_length.



    Edit: Also how do you know how many you've done just specifically using the smp client?
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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/29 02:19:28 (permalink)
    Its just 10, whether you do them in a week, a month or 2 doesn´t matter. After these 10 wus you have to maintain an 80% completion rate.

    On Stanfords site you can search for a how many wus and points you have folded with a passkey.
    Just enter your passkey in the appropriate field
    http://fah-web.stanford.e...ain.py?qtype=userstats
     If you only use it on the smp client you can tell. If, like me, you´re using it on all clients you won´t be able to tell how many wus you´ve folded with a certain passkey/ client config

     
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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/29 02:22:16 (permalink)
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    Is this each and everytime you run the client, a monthly min, an everyday
    min, or do you just need to accumulate 10 total smp wu's before the bonus
    kicks in each and everytime from now on. Thanks.

    Edit: Also how do you know how many you've done just specifically
    using the smp client?


    It does not matter on what machine or when, just that you have done a
    minimum of ten (10).  After that, an 80% completion within time limits.
     
    Look at your logs.  After it "sends results", it tells how many the "smp client"
    has sent/completed.  Example is below.
     
     
    [14:48:59] + Attempting to send results [August 25 14:48:59 UTC]
    [14:49:48] + Results successfully sent
    [14:49:48] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.
    [14:49:48] + Number of Units Completed: 299

         
       

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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/29 02:25:58 (permalink)
    OK, Babs, you got me again by 2 minutes. Shame on you!

         
       

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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/29 02:51:47 (permalink)
    Thank you both for your help. 
    Looks like I've got 5 completed but I'm already 22% through a -bigadv wu. Didn't know about the 10 min for a bonus. Guess I'll let it finish and then move back to non-bigadv for 4 and then move back to the biggie's.


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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/29 03:34:55 (permalink)
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    OK, Babs, you got me again by 2 minutes. Shame on you!


    hehe, go get some sleep, maybe you´ll beat me then

     
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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/29 11:43:28 (permalink)
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    My CPU's are both currently clocked @ 3.7Ghz and take about 2.12 days per batch. Temps never go over 60c on either water cooled system. Both of these systems are also used daily as business computers that are opening and closing spreadsheets all day as well as outlook and surfing (A lot!! lol)



    Holy crap are you serious?  I have a 920 o/c to 4.0 with my ram at 1950mhz and my processing time on -bigadv units takes 3 days 6-7 hours.  How are you getting 2.12 days at 3.7GHz?  What are the rest of your system's specs (ram speed, timings, etc)?
     
     


    Yepper... Proof is in the results They are systems #2 and #3 in my sig. I run the RAM at their stock suggested settings (So I do go into BIOS and adjust to their needs)  and toss the CPU's up to 3.7 (THe highest I need to go without adjusting Voltages)... Double click the short cut and I am off!

    This is one reason why I said we need 6 gigs of RAM. Of course that is mandatory of we are using GPU's to fold as well. But I found my systems to run great with 6 gigs, and take 3-3.5 days on 3 gigs Could have been a fluke, but it is what it is for me

    I am  sure someone here can explain why.. I just have no idea man sorry...
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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/30 07:25:54 (permalink)
    Well here we are... a full two weeks in... and it is a solid 2.17 ish days per



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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/30 07:43:15 (permalink)
    Tiger, are you running -smp 7 or -smp 8, any gpu folding along? Any other usage?
    All that takes up some time and adds up.

    As for the RAM, I think with 6 Gigs there´s just plenty of it left for all that background stuff that´s going on in Windows and the smp client doesn´t have to fight for ressources

     
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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/30 12:22:02 (permalink)
    Are you using Process Lasso? I have a i7 920 at 3.95ghz and smp -8 with internet use and occasional HD videos and I can only get as low as 44min TPF on the 2684 but on average I'm more likely at 50min TPF.


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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/31 12:03:24 (permalink)
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    Are you using Process Lasso? I have a i7 920 at 3.95ghz and smp -8 with internet use and occasional HD videos and I can only get as low as 44min TPF on the 2684 but on average I'm more likely at 50min TPF.


    Not sure if your asking me or not... But here is the latest one it is working on with System #2...


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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/31 17:55:58 (permalink)
    How are you getting a TPF of 39 minutes? I'm in the same boat as Tiger and Danger... I'm getting around 50 minutes.

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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/31 18:43:52 (permalink)
    sinsear

    How are you getting a TPF of 39 minutes? I'm in the same boat as Tiger and Danger... I'm getting around 50 minutes.


    Man I have no idea. Not sure why it is different... All I can say is I guess I will list my settings later on and let you folks dissect it. Both machines are doing it... Maybe it is the RAM being set at the factory suggested settings?

    Are you using the same stuff I am listed in my first post

     
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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/08/31 20:24:45 (permalink)
    In fairness, my TPF of 50 mins is on the slower 2684 work unit.


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    Re:Looking for the most efficient way to Fold? 2010/09/01 05:21:57 (permalink)
    Well on the 2685... I just installed this setup on my Gaming system. Looks like 34 minutes ish per on it with my system clocked @ 4.0 and RAM @ 1933....


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