HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN!

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2010/07/07 13:14:13 (permalink)
Well im uploading the picture to show you what ive got so far. Ive seen 4.4 clocks load at 80c but a 3.83? im push pull on a h50 atm. fans at 100%



Anyone want to throw down some theory's?


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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 15:18:38 (permalink)
    W/ 10K Problem size your temps will be lower too. Try 25K PS and you will get a few degrees higher! (not good)
    I'm guessing you have only 4GB or less? If not, something is wrong with your avail mem; let us know and we will help that.

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 15:21:32 (permalink)
    Recheck your thermal paste.  I saw a video yesterday showing how if you lay down an X with your thermal paste on the cpu and apply your heatsink you get a much better spread.

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 15:22:34 (permalink)
    Maybe your H50 isnt seated properly? What TIM are you using?



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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 15:40:55 (permalink)
    I did the credit card spread. Thin layer over the full die. And its seated nice and good. Room temp is about 75 to 80F. and im using AS5. Its been on for about 4 weeks. Not sure the cure time off the top of my head
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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 15:46:04 (permalink)
    Here Is all the info i can round up from windows atm.


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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 15:52:41 (permalink)
    Oh, that's what's wrong. Air bubbles in your TIM. Check out this vid, and click on some of the related links:

    YouTube: How Thermal Compound Spreads

    "Also go to www.innovationcooling.com and check out their application page it has great instructions for the correct application." - Falcon_CMH

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    Re:All 920 owners!! - Post #16


    BTW, cure time for AS5 is 300 hours.
    post edited by HalloweenWeed - 2010/07/07 15:54:52

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 15:56:06 (permalink)
    So layer on more TIM? Or just redo the layer like i have currently?
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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 16:01:05 (permalink)
    qoto159

    So layer on more TIM? Or just redo the layer like i have currently?


    Yeah you definitely don't want to do credit card spread. I have an H50 and I used to do exactly the same thing with all of my old builds. Changed it up with the H50 to do an "X" and I lowered temps about 5C. Still not awesome (bad case cooling) but much more manageable.

    Here's my thread: Corsair H50 owners, if you have temp problems, try this!



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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 16:05:51 (permalink)
    Remove all of your TIM first. Do it very carefully, and remove the heatsink carefully as a bit of it could fall into your CPU socket. It really depends on what TIM you use as to how to remove. With AS5 you can use 70% rubbing alcohol like this:

    Wipe off the excess first using cotton balls or Q-tips. Wipe toward the center of the CPU to avoid wiping it into your socket. Wipe the edges very carefully if there is excess hanging over. Then clean the excess off of the heatsink. Then pour a little alcohol into the cap, and dab the cotton ball into it, you only want several drops in the ball, you don't want the ball soaked. Wipe the ball over the CPU with the same action directed for removing the excess, be careful not to squeeze alcohol into your socket (it won't hurt it if you let it evaporate, providing you don't get TIM in there). When it looks clean you are done. Let it evaporate before applying TIM.

    There are commercial TIM cleaners out there, you may need it for the thicker stuff like Ceramique. Good luck.

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 16:46:10 (permalink)




    THANK YOU GUYS! Did everything you said...and well it worked. Idles as you can see from the last pic have dropped accumulative of 10-15c and wont even break 80.  under linix.
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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 16:55:45 (permalink)
    Thank you I will use this thread as an example for ppls to show what a difference proper TIM spread can make, and how the credit-card method is a no-no!

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 17:10:26 (permalink)
    Oh yes very much agree! Thanks again!
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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 17:24:07 (permalink)
    What is that TJ Max?

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 17:24:41 (permalink)
    Check this out.
    http://www.innovationcooling.com/applicationinstructions.htm


    After seeing this thread I had to go check out this site because I use IC Diamond 24k TIM. I was surprised at the amount of testing they did. Its too bad they don't show a double line or X method but I'm sure there will be some air bubbles in that too. All these are compression methods. A 5.0mm-5.5mm sized ball in the center of the CPU is the best method. Compress the HS straight down with no twisting and you should have 0 air bubbles.

    The last 3 applications of TIM I've done were spread uber thin with a razor blade 


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    post edited by XXChronicXX - 2010/07/07 17:28:20

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 17:35:04 (permalink)
    ibuyufo

    What is that TJ Max?



    That TJ max should be 100. Lowering it to 99 will make your core temps look 1 degree lower. Default is always 100 with core temp but some CPU's require you to lower it to 85 or 90. This is so you get a correct reading on core temps according to your specific CPU.

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 18:36:18 (permalink)
    TJmax is just core temp minus whatever setpoint you put in. I ignore it.

    (see my next post)
    post edited by HalloweenWeed - 2010/07/07 19:01:59

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 18:45:36 (permalink)
    HalloweenWeed

    TJmax is just core temp minus whatever setpoint you put in. I ignore it.


    Do not ignore the TJMax. Intel's core sensors give you the distance to TJMax, so if your TJmax is set to 100c, but your sensors are calibrated to have a TJMax of 95c, your temps are going to be 5c cooler than they actually are.

    RealTemp and CoreTemp do a good job of accurately finding the TJMax, so its not something we typically have to worry about, but neither are perfect. For example RealTemp will drop my TJMax to 95c when I go back to stock speeds compared to my 24/7 overclock, so even with the same CPU temp (not core), my core temps appeared to be 5c cooler than they actually were.

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 19:01:23 (permalink)
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    Do not ignore the TJMax. Intel's core sensors give you the distance to TJMax, so if your TJmax is set to 100c, but your sensors are calibrated to have a TJMax of 95c, your temps are going to be 5c cooler than they actually are.

    Oh wow, I just learned something (more). I just checked it out, and like he said, changing TJmax changed the real temp readings as well! I had no idea. But like you said, it was set right to begin with, at 100C. Thanx XXChronicXX and Rudster816.


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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/07 21:42:12 (permalink)
    Thanks for the explanation!  I used to overclock a long time ago when Pentiums II were still around.  I'm really baffled by all this overclocking stuff these days that I don't do it any more and just use it as it is.

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/08 02:27:58 (permalink)
    I'm so glad that this TIM application worked for you! I had similar results so that's awesome! (Nearer to 79C after X method.)

    This really is a good example of how proper TIM application can make all the difference!

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/08 03:01:23 (permalink)
    I think the real culprit here is the h50 with those clocks.  Look at my gear and I won't even do that to my stuff.

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/08 07:04:14 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the explanation!  I used to overclock a long time ago when Pentiums II were still around.  I'm really baffled by all this overclocking stuff these days that I don't do it any more and just use it as it is.

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    Cm'on, start that OC, we will help you.
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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/08 23:44:16 (permalink)
    I received my b-stock EVGA E578 motherboard.  It's a Rev. 1.1 and it seems to be working fine.  Detects all 12 gb ram.  Need to get a program to check how fast ram is running. 

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    Re:HOLY 920 EGG COOKING TEMPS BATMAN! 2010/07/09 00:04:48 (permalink)
    First, your actual rated clockspeed is 3.6GHz for all four cores (don't account Turbo which doesn't engage all the time).  Still, you're pushing about 150W if heat.  The cooler should take it up to the radiator, and while push-pull helps, only if your fans are rated with enough airflow.  What pair do you have (CFM, not RPM)? 
     
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    Ive seen 4.4 clocks load at 80c but a 3.83?
    A slight variation in quality will require different votlages for higher frequency stability, which in turn, affects full load temperatures.  Making comparisons across different batches isn't recommended.  Although, even within the same batch, temps will not be identical.  You say your room temperature can go up to 80F (27oC), what is the air temperature going into your radiator?  This is your reference ambient, not somewhere in the room, since your system components will further heat up that air as it enters into the radiator.
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    TEC/Peltier definitions, formulas and temperature estimations

     For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  
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