Corsair H50 owners! If you have temp problems, try this!

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2010/07/01 10:46:03 (permalink)
I pulled the following quotes from thread http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=442271, but thought it was worth reposting (with my results) in a new topic, both not to derail the other thread, and to address a problem that for some unknown reason seems to be more common for the H50...
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My core temps were fine, until the weather was >85 f.

I assume TIM means thermal paste?  I used one of those metal strips.  I did a good job of aligning it.  If I make through the summer, I'll keep the air cooler.  If there are too many problems, I'll go to water cooling.  Any suggestions?

The ambient room temperature affects core temps more than I had expected.  

Metal strips? ****? Correct me if I am wrong, but I have never heard of this. You should be using nothing but a good Thermal Interface Material such as Arctic Silver 5. You can get a free sample of a very good TIM from this guy, Falcon_CMH:

Re:All 920 owners!!

Look first to understand how to apply:

YouTube: How Thermal Compound Spreads

(And I recommend looking at some of those others too.)

Your temps will rise near linearly with ambient temp (room temperature). So when your ambient rises 9*F your CPU temps will rise 5*C (with air cooling).


Also, I have had my CPU above 100C! It was due to an E-Leet malfunction. When your CPU reaches 100C the multiplier (core) drops to downclock the CPU. I seen mine drop to 10x (with Speedstep off, I was horrified). So there is an automatic protector, reaching 100C will not 'break' your CPU. However, the life expectancy may be affected.

I have never heard of higher temps requiring higher Vcore. How long has it been since you blew out the dust from your case and cooler(s)? I just blew mine out, it had only been 2 mos and there was a lot! I was amazed as how quickly the dust gathered. It really does make a big difference in cooling.


I just wanted to re-emphasize this post. I have actually been using the spread method for so long. wow. It used to be the accepted method for years...Let's change that and see if there is any effect. Not being able to raise Vcore past 1.27 is really a pain in my butt.


WOW. X Method for the win!!

I just re-seated my Corsair H50 with the "X-method" from that Youtube video using Arctic Silver MX-3 and wow!
My temperatures didnt' *drop* so much persay, but temps stay remarkably constant as I raise Vcore past 1.3, which was impossible for me to do before reseating!
Here's my before and after at 1.27 volts and +100vtt, QPI 1.35 and CPU PLL 1.8 (3.8Ghz @ 19x200)

Before:
T CPU Case = 33-34 idle, 72-73 load
T Junction (The 4 "Cores" in E-leet) = 48-52 idle, load = 80-83C

After:
T CPU Case = 30-31 idle, 66-69 load
T Junction (The 4 Cores) = 41-43 idle, 74-79 load
These are temps @ 1.265 volts.  That's an average of about 4-5C drop in temps, but...that's not the best part!

Before, when I'd try to raise my Vcore to anything past 1.29 I'd get core temps that went as high as 90-92C! Now when I raise Vcore to 1.34 in bios my temps only become:
T CPU Case = 34-36 idle, 67-72 load
T Junction = 42-45 idle, 77-82 load
I can see 4.0Ghz in my future...My D0 seems not to perform as well as others and needs a lot of voltage to approach 4Ghz.
Here's what I did exactly with the H50:
1) I cleaned both surfaces with Arctic cleaner 1+2 and let dry cover with a piece of plastic (to prevent dust) for about 5 mins
2) Then I applied an X covering the central 1.5cm of the chip (yes that's pretty big), I did not add anything to the heatsink bottom
3) I then made sure I could pull up the mounting frame of the H50 enough so it wouldn't interfere with pushing the H50 straight down on the chip.
4) I pushed the H50 straight down on the TIM X, and holding pressure 100% of the time I twisted it back and forth 3-5 times to even out the spread. I used a fair amount of pressure-->enough pressure where the blood temporarily leaves your fingertips.
5) Still holding that pressure and not letting go, I made sure the H50 base was centered and tightened the mounting bracket.
6) I tightened it a lot ---> Until I couldn't tighten it any more.

Things that I usually do, that are different than this application: I usually "prep" both surfaces by putting some TIM on them, and spreading it around, and then basically wiping it off with a cloth. This leaves a very very small film on the surface of the sink (by thin I mean like DEFINITELY not enough to make good contact.) Then I'd spread the TIM with a credit card and put the heatsink down. I'll bet there were air bubbles forming underneath the sink and that's why my 920 temps were worse than suck. Just do the X method and keep constant pressure, and H50 owners will rejoice!
(I know my temps are still kinda high, but I have other airflow problems I'm troubleshooting).
Hope this helps some other H50 owners who were ready to send their sinks back...

post edited by Vihsadas - 2010/07/07 16:02:49

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    HalloweenWeed
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    Re:H50 owners! If you have temp problems, try this! 2010/07/01 11:24:01 (permalink)
    Congratulations, I'm happy that you have fixed your temperature problems and am happy with the results. Please keep this in mind when you read the rest of what I have to say, because despite how you might interpret it I still am glad and happy for you and agree your TIM and application method was great.

    The thing is, my cooler, the Zalman CNPS9900 is known to be a "B" grade CPU cooler of the air category, but I still get about the same cooling results as you do now with your H50 at 3.8GHz and ~1.27Vcore; and I have been to 4.0GHz with it and registered on

    *Club i7 Stability Continuation*

    What I am saying is you may have a decent cooler in the H50, but IMHO it is not one of the best (custom mods not included). I think for the avg person not piping A/C into their rig or anything like that you would get much better results with a Megahalems or Noctua NH-D14. I am not saying you should change your cooler either, just that I disagree with your (implied) conclusion that the H50 is one of the best, and I am saying so for the benefit of newbs reading this and not specifically for Vihsadas. And I do agree that there are plenty of ppls out there with H50s that have mis-applied their TIM and their temps suffer as a result, but the same is also true of all other coolers as well.

    And I do think your tips are GTK, thank you for posting them. I'm sure someone with an H50 will be helped by it.

    I wish you happy gaming Vihsadas.
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    Re:H50 owners! If you have temp problems, try this! 2010/07/01 11:28:01 (permalink)
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    Re:H50 owners! If you have temp problems, try this! 2010/07/01 11:54:45 (permalink)
    i hope you guys keep posting your results,i just ordered a q9559 and the corsair h-50 and i have the artic silver mx-3.you will help me alot wiyh posts since i am going to overclock for the first time with out using the dummy o/c option in bios.thanks



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    Re:H50 owners! If you have temp problems, try this! 2010/07/01 12:10:49 (permalink)
    What is your ambient?
    I do get much better cooling out of my H50 than you do even with the x method at 3.8  1.26v.

    I don't have specific numbers till i can get home but in Real temp
    But the ball park numbers=

    Ambient 25-28c
    Idle:   29-34c
    Load: 62-69c

    I dont hit 80's until 1.35-1.4 vcore

    I had high temps initially but that was with one fan as rear intake

    Now i run push/pull with 2 50cfm Scythe S-Flex , a shroud on the push fan and it is set up as an intake from the front of my case. It took me a fair amount of trial and error to find the sweet spot in my system .







     
     
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    Re:H50 owners! If you have temp problems, try this! 2010/07/01 12:17:58 (permalink)
    Yup. I totally agree with everything you said. If I could do it again, I would probably choose something different...
    However, the one big benefit to the H50 is for quiet PC people, but not because it's water, but because you can effectively eliminate an exhaust fan from your setup with the H50. That being said, I don't think it will give you the best temps considering other high end air coolers.

    Also, I wanted to emphasize that I have suboptimal case cooling. Once I figure that out and come to a decision about sacrificing noise for temps, I predict I'll be able to get the temps down another few deg...and also with the break-in time for the MX3.

    HalloweenWeed

    Congratulations, I'm happy that you have fixed your temperature problems and am happy with the results. Please keep this in mind when you read the rest of what I have to say, because despite how you might interpret it I still am glad and happy for you and agree your TIM and application method was great.

    The thing is, my cooler, the Zalman CNPS9900 is known to be a "B" grade CPU cooler of the air category, but I still get about the same cooling results as you do now with your H50 at 3.8GHz and ~1.27Vcore; and I have been to 4.0GHz with it and registered on

    *Club i7 Stability Continuation*

    What I am saying is you may have a decent cooler in the H50, but IMHO it is not one of the best (custom mods not included). I think for the avg person not piping A/C into their rig or anything like that you would get much better results with a Megahalems or Noctua NH-D14. I am not saying you should change your cooler either, just that I disagree with your (implied) conclusion that the H50 is one of the best, and I am saying so for the benefit of newbs reading this and not specifically for Vihsadas. And I do agree that there are plenty of ppls out there with H50s that have mis-applied their TIM and their temps suffer as a result, but the same is also true of all other coolers as well.

    And I do think your tips are GTK, thank you for posting them. I'm sure someone with an H50 will be helped by it.

    I wish you happy gaming Vihsadas.




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    Re:H50 owners! If you have temp problems, try this! 2010/07/01 12:21:45 (permalink)
    Thanks for posting this. It could be extremely useful to customers that don't have problems per se. Quite a few get different results when reinstalling their H50 and having to use aftermarket TIM as opposed to the stock TIM.

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    Re:H50 owners! If you have temp problems, try this! 2010/07/01 12:24:06 (permalink)
    jambisource

    What is your ambient?
    I do get much better cooling out of my H50 than you do even with the x method at 3.8  1.26v.

    I don't have specific numbers till i can get home but in Real temp
    But the ball park numbers=

    Ambient 25-28c
    Idle:   29-34c
    Load: 62-69c

    I dont hit 80's until 1.35-1.4 vcore

    I had high temps initially but that was with one fan as rear intake

    Now i run push/pull with 2 50cfm Scythe S-Flex , a shroud on the push fan and it is set up as an intake from the front of my case. It took me a fair amount of trial and error to find the sweet spot in my system .


    1)Are those T-Junction temps? Or T CPU temps?

    2)I do know my temps are still pretty high, even for H50s, but for some reason I have high ambients in my case. I'm working on it...my "system" temp under 100% load in E-leet is 37C - which is high I know. I'm going to try and figure out how to better exhaust my system without sacrificing VREG Cooling (Currently have my blowhole pointed inward to cool VREG).

    3) You got the H50 setup from a front intake!? That's awesome! I really wanted to do that but could get it to reach/fit. Is the shroud the reason you were able to do that? Mind taking some pics?




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    Re:H50 owners! If you have temp problems, try this! 2010/07/01 13:14:24 (permalink)
    Those are core temps not the die temps (not 100% on the lingo)


    Yeah the recommended rear intake failed from the heat of my 2-260's exhaust rising right up into the H50 intake

    The rear exhaust was lackluster from the system heat being sucked in

    Front intake works perfectly because it s pulling in fresh air and blows over top of my ram

    Yeah i can upload a pic when i get home.





     
     
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    Re:H50 owners! If you have temp problems, try this! 2010/07/01 22:59:52 (permalink)
    jambisource

    Those are core temps not the die temps (not 100% on the lingo)


    Yeah the recommended rear intake failed from the heat of my 2-260's exhaust rising right up into the H50 intake

    The rear exhaust was lackluster from the system heat being sucked in

    Front intake works perfectly because it s pulling in fresh air and blows over top of my ram

    Yeah i can upload a pic when i get home.


    You read my mind exactly. In a previous thread I talked about the rising heat from all of the PSU, and 2xGTX285s in my setup. That's why I actually use a push/pull exhaust setup with my H50 in rear, and pull cold air in via dual 120mms in the front intake. Just going against corsair's stated wisdom dropped my CPU temps initially from a very scary 92C on T Junction load. to close to where it is now.

    For the lingo on the temp sensors on the CoreiXX CPUs:

    There are actually two sets of sensors near/on the chip. there's one sensor which sits on the "case" of the CPU (like near the heatblock itself) and 4 other sensors which sit near the thermal centers of the 4 different cores. Those 4 sensors are referred to as "T Junction" sensors, and the one sensor on the heatblock is the "T CPU Case" or "T CPU" etc. The T CPU Case runs about 5-10C cooler than the T Junction, and isn't as accurate. The T Junction is usually higher, but gives a more accurate measure of the temps of the CPU itself.

    I'd say most people try and keep T junction under 80C, but according to intel, you shouldn't push this past about 73C.

    Reference: http://www.tomshardware.c...m/254798-29-core-temps

    So when you're looking at E-leet, the "CPU" temp is actually the T CPU Case, while the four "Core" Temps are the T Junction temps.

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