480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results

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2010/05/31 16:22:07 (permalink)
Well, it was an enjoyable Memorial Day weekend with some good food, hanging with the fam, and some solid modding and testing time.  I tackled a near complete tear-down and rebuild in order to remove everything from my 800D case so the top could be safely cut open to support a Bitspower 4x120 radguard and an upgrade from a Feser 360 to Feser 480 rad.  I already posted a couple of small pics in the "prelim build pics" thread so no need to post them here.  This is just a short post to point out that the upgrade to a quad radiator lowered peak GPU temps by about 5-6C when folding or in heavy benching. 

On the triple rad they were about 57C for the first GPU in the loop and 58C for the second GPU in the loop.  This is a 100% serial loop ordered like:
Swiftech 655 -> GPU1 -> GPU2 -> CPU -> NB -> VREG -> RAD.

Now with the quad rad they are loading at 51-52C.  The room is a couple of degrees warmer than usual for my benching/testing so the numbers might even be a little better than that, but I figured I'd just be conservative.

It was a ton of work to upgrade just an extra 120mm but the point was to really understand how radiator sizing will affect these GPUs with all other things equal.

Oh, both cards are overclocked to 850/2000 at the moment so they do run a little bit warmer than they would at stock.  At stock I suspect they'd load in the high 40s but I have yet to test.

Hope this info helps when others are sizing their loops and systems.  I'm definitely happy with the extra headroom because it seems like crazy things start happening when either GPU hits about 60C on more aggressive overclocks (875+MHz).  For anything short of aggressive overclocking I think a triple rad will do most people fine.



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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/05/31 16:51:41 (permalink)
    Thanks for sharing!!!  Have you tried to go higher than 850/2000 yet?  It seems like you have a lot of room left now :)

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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/05/31 17:21:16 (permalink)
    nice report thx 

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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/05/31 18:42:36 (permalink)
    Well I went with a quad just for the headroom.

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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/05/31 18:45:26 (permalink)
    I would really consider adding a couple of splitters to that loop setup to decrease the temps on your CPU/NB/Vreg and possibly even a degree or two drop in your GPU's.

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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/05/31 19:43:11 (permalink)
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    I would really consider adding a couple of splitters to that loop setup to decrease the temps on your CPU/NB/Vreg and possibly even a degree or two drop in your GPU's.


    With such a high pressure drop on the 480 HC FTW blocks I think a splitter might just make the water want to go around the cards instead of through them.   It seems like you could lose cooling that way as easily as you might gain some.  If anyone has done it I'd love to hear results as I don't want to replumb again just yet ;-)




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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/05/31 20:32:52 (permalink)
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    Thanks for sharing!!!  Have you tried to go higher than 850/2000 yet?  It seems like you have a lot of room left now :)


    My pleasure...  I might eventually start hanging radiators somewhere outside of the chassis for benching but I'd really like to see how far things can go without doing that first.

    I did push the cards up to 900MHz with OC Scanner but haven't successfully benched them at that frequency.  Maybe tomorrow's the day? :)




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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/05/31 20:47:42 (permalink)
    Thank you! Good information indeed. I didn't think you could get away with putting CPU and 480 SLI on the same loop w/ 120.3 rad. Perhaps I should scale down my future plans lol ;)

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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/05/31 20:53:04 (permalink)
    Nice post.  I have also been thinking about going to a 480 Rad.  My 120.3 seems to be keeping the cards at a very respectable temp range of 33C idle and 50C full load. I am worried once I am able to start overclocking them I will not be as happy with the results though.  I just have not had time to mess around with overclocking them as my Phase Change unit busted during the instillation of the graphics cards and I have been busy repairing that.  I have some Scythe UK3's I was going to throw on my Rad first but now I am thinking a HWLabs GTX480 with Scythe UK3's might be the better option.  Your 6C difference lead's me to believe I should see similar results. Thanks for the information very helpful...

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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/05/31 21:01:29 (permalink)
    right now I have my 3 GTX 480's, NB & SB and voltage regs cooled by a HW labs 480 SR1 rad . I'm gonna add another 240mm rad just to get the temps down more.




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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/06/01 22:19:44 (permalink)
    Very cool, I'm glad the data was useful to a few of you! 

    I started looking around tonight to see if there was a single 120mm that would fit nicely at the back of my case and noticed that Frozencpu has a ridiculous Feser 480 deal going on right now.  I guess they are blowing them out since Feser discontinued their rads.  I really don't need any extra radiators lying around but at $99 for a quad Feser...  man, kinda hard not to think about it. 




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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/06/01 23:29:12 (permalink)
    diynoob

    Very cool, I'm glad the data was useful to a few of you! 

    I started looking around tonight to see if there was a single 120mm that would fit nicely at the back of my case and noticed that Frozencpu has a ridiculous Feser 480 deal going on right now.  I guess they are blowing them out since Feser discontinued their rads.  I really don't need any extra radiators lying around but at $99 for a quad Feser...  man, kinda hard not to think about it. 


    I don't think they discontinued making Rads they just discontinued the one line of Rad's.  They will continue to make Radiators for watercooling just in a new flavor :) I really want to get a quad.  I just am not sure which to get?  I don't care about noise really.  I wouldn't use Delta's or anything but other than that I think the Scythe UK3's will move a lot of air through a rad being their high CFM and have a high static pressure.  So I was thinking a HWLabs GTX480?  What are your guys thoughts?  I think the GTX480 pulls ahead of all the other Rads when High Speed fans are used.

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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/06/02 05:54:11 (permalink)
    Well the scythes get loud above 2k and I'm running 7 of them on 2 rads so I keep them around 1.6k rpm.  I'm totally sold on the feser rads and only wish that sale had been on when I bought my quad.

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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/06/02 06:26:37 (permalink)
    nice info. Any thoughts on how a double 120 rad will work with a single gpu only on the entire loop? i just finished putting mine together. Today i'm adding water and letting it run 24hour before putting it back in the case. Curious though how it will work out

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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/06/02 08:17:34 (permalink)
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    Well the scythes get loud above 2k and I'm running 7 of them on 2 rads so I keep them around 1.6k rpm.  I'm totally sold on the feser rads and only wish that sale had been on when I bought my quad.


    I also have a Phase Change Unit so I barely hear my fans over the compressor.  That is why I say noise isn't really a factor per say because it takes quite a bit of noise to overcome the sound of the compressor.  I know I couldn't live with a bunch of Delta's screaming at 3000 RPM but other than that the Scythe UK3's don't bother me to much. Especially when I have my headphones on I can't hear a thing.  My wife regularly walks in and taps me on the shoulder and makes me poo my pants...LOL  Right now money being no option I just want the best 480 RAD I can get but it seems it is really hard to get a straight answer on that.  A few years ago everyone would just say Thermochill is tops hands down but now it seems just about every company has a top notch high quality Rad.  I guess no matter what I pick I probably can't go wrong whether it be an XSPC, HWLabs or Feser. I do plan on using Med-High speed fans so I just want to know which works best with that type of fan setup.

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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/06/02 08:25:20 (permalink)
    Nice!
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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/06/02 09:13:30 (permalink)
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    nice info. Any thoughts on how a double 120 rad will work with a single gpu only on the entire loop? i just finished putting mine together. Today i'm adding water and letting it run 24hour before putting it back in the case. Curious though how it will work out


    You should be good if it's a decent radiator... before I was running my dual 480s + CPU + mobo on just a triple. 



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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/06/02 09:53:04 (permalink)
    diynoob what Rad grill are you using for you Feser 480?  I think I am also going to pick up the Feser 480 as you can't beat the price right now for $100.00.   That price is just insane.  None of the Rad grills I have found look to appealing to me.  The Bitspower ones look OK but I am afraid of the mesh getting clogged with dust on a regular basis.  The only other 480 Rad grill I found that I liked was really expensive :(

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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/06/02 20:32:00 (permalink)
    Cool CREUSS, enjoy the new Feser 480 when ya get it.  I am enjoying mine without question! 

    Right now I'm using the Bitspower rad guard.  I think I got it from Sidewinder since PPCS was out of stock :(

    I think you are correct in your concern though.  The Bitspower acrylic fan grill portion appears restrictive for anything more than low speed fans, and if it was sucking air in could easily get stuffed with dust and fur if you have pets.  I will be removing my acrylic grills tomorrow, time permitting, to see how performance is impacted. 

    BTW, MNPCTech makes some niiiice stuff.  It's too bad they didn't seem to make a 480 like you said or I would have maybe gone with them.  In particular I like how thick their rad guards are, the Bitspower one is a little flimsy imho.  It's fine when mounted as rigidity comes from the case and the rad itself.





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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/06/03 09:57:13 (permalink)
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    Cool CREUSS, enjoy the new Feser 480 when ya get it.  I am enjoying mine without question! 

    Right now I'm using the Bitspower rad guard.  I think I got it from Sidewinder since PPCS was out of stock :(

    I think you are correct in your concern though.  The Bitspower acrylic fan grill portion appears restrictive for anything more than low speed fans, and if it was sucking air in could easily get stuffed with dust and fur if you have pets.  I will be removing my acrylic grills tomorrow, time permitting, to see how performance is impacted. 

    BTW, MNPCTech makes some niiiice stuff.  It's too bad they didn't seem to make a 480 like you said or I would have maybe gone with them.  In particular I like how thick their rad guards are, the Bitspower one is a little flimsy imho.  It's fine when mounted as rigidity comes from the case and the rad itself.


    MNPCTech does make a 4 X 120 it was A.C. Ryan RadGrillz that doesn't seem to make a 4 X 120.  I think I will probably get the MNPCTech for the reasons you stated above about the Bitspower Rad Grill.   It's just funny that I will have to pay almost as much for the Rad Grill as I am paying for the actual Rad..LOL...Oh well my Birthday is coming up so I will just add it to the list of items for my wife to buy me :)  Thanks again for sharing your experience with these components.  It has really helped me make up my mind.

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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/06/03 16:39:45 (permalink)
    ^^^^^^^ Man, I looked all over their site for a 480 rad grill and didn't see it.  Now I see the mnpctech.com lettering on the picture you posted above and should have noticed that before.  Oh well. 

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    Re:480 SLI triple to quad rad upgrade results 2010/06/05 16:28:54 (permalink)
    This arrived yesterday.  I will be gathering some results tomorrow (hopefully) on how increased flow affects SLI 480 temps.

     A lot of guys swear by dual loops and given how little heat is transferred into the water each pass, I have wondered if dual loops is the answer, or if it's really dual pumps.

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