I was unable to track down this information on the website and figured the information might come in handy for anyone looking at these radiators. The full retail box on some of HL's products list this info while most do not.
GTS 120 - 300W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/
GTS 120 XFlow - 300W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/
GTS 240 - 700W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/SLI/CF
GTS 240 XFlow - 700W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/SLI/CF
GTS 360 - 1100W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/SLI/CF
GTS 360 XFlow - 1100W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/SLI/CF
GTX 120 - 420W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/SLI/CF
GTX 240 - 900W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/SLI/CF
GTX 360 - 1400W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/SLI/CF
GTX 480 - 1800W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/SLI/CF
GTXM 80 - 180W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/
GTXM 160 - 360W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/SLI/CF
GTXM 92 - 200W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/
GTXM 184 - 400W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/SLI/CF
SO = Stealth Ops
DC = Dual Core
QC = Quad Core
GPU = Graphic Cards
SLI = Scale-able Link Interface (Nvidia Multi Cards)
CF = CrossFire (ATI Dual Cards)
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
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Thanks man awsome info someone get this man a blule ribbon
+1, i got my hwlabs GTX 480 waiting for 3 gtx 480's right now, it seems strange that they don't list this on their website
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/04/11 10:42:31
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I am trying to find the details for the SR-1 series. From what I can see the spec out the same as the GTS radiators & allow both high & Low RPM fans.
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/04/11 10:49:38
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Wow.. I was looking for this the other day as i have a GTX 240 and want to know if it could cool my i7 930 as it will be the only thing on my loop..
GTX 240 - 900W - SO/DC/QC/GPU/SLI/CF
i7 930 @ stock TDP 146.5 watts
So it should do fine right?
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/04/11 12:15:52
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The wattage listed on the radiator is how much wattage to heat it should be able to dissipate & still keep the items at hand in a good temp range. best rule of thumb is always leave 200-300watts of room for possible overclocking.
I know a i7 920 with basic OC'ing at 4.2GHz will consume roughly 245watts of power, but than again that depends on your VCore.
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/04/11 12:31:07
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So wait this is slightly confusing lets say i get 3x 480s and cool NB and SB a GTX 360 and a GTX 120 will do?
Im planning on putting in a 800D so it cant fit a 480 rad
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/04/11 15:26:39
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People are reporting that Overclocked & under full load GTX 480's will pull 325 watts each... factor in your NB & SB chips and you have to cool roughly 1100watts.
I would recommend a radiator that can cover 1400 Watts+ in a push pull setup with the fans. In turn you could get away with just a GTX360 radiator to cool the GPU's and chipset. If you add int he CPU than... your going to need more radiator.
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
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If I was you I would buy the GTX 360 and not worry to much with 3 GTX 480's and your chipset. GTX 360 You can than drop the CPU on a separate rad in a push / pull and use the Corsair H50 or make your own with better performing parts.
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/04/11 23:20:55
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The wattage listed on the radiator is how much wattage to heat it should be able to dissipate & still keep the items at hand in a good temp range. best rule of thumb is always leave 200-300watts of room for possible overclocking.
I know a i7 920 with basic OC'ing at 4.2GHz will consume roughly 245watts of power, but than again that depends on your VCore.
I had planned on running it at stock speed which shows 2.9Ghz in all the software for temps but it's unknown yet if it will feed both 5850's at stock as i wouldn'tl have the other card till a day or so.. but it did handle a q6700 at 3.4Ghz fine which load temps was about 50c but anything would be better then Intel stock cooler.lol..
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/11/29 21:43:46
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Had a guy find me on YouTube & said this thread was useful... awesome to see some old content is still being used :)
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/12/01 02:43:07
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Max wattage by itself isn't a useful reference without knowing the temperature this wattage can be sustained at. Usually max wattage for radiators is just a design limit, one that sustains that load at an extremely higher temperature (in all likelyhood) well beyond what we are comfortable with. But dividing out the wattage over that temperature range gives us a more useful parameter: Thermal Resistence. If a radiator has a lower value of thermal resistence, then it will sustain lower temps tha, another with a higher value. The actual wattage matters about as much as Vram size to a video card, it only matters if you think your load may reach that limit.
If all those radiators had the same tested temperature range, then clearly the higher wattage radiators are best regardless of the load applied, up to reaching that load.
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/12/01 03:06:46
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Lepron I am going to switch to 1 feser 480 and a feser 360 for cooling. I was wondering if you think this will handle all that's cooled I was thinking of using the 360 for cpu and and v reg and the 480 for nb sb and two 470 cards I can run two pumps or one . If I run all at stock settings what would be my thermal resistance and wattage and If I run at 4.0 on cpu v core at 1.39v leave cards stock do you think my cooling while be efficient?? right now my ambient in winter is23c cores on processor idle at stock 36c NB SB at 40c on 360 rad, cards idle at 28c on 320-220 rads for cards and v reg
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/12/01 04:22:44
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Lepron I am going to switch to 1 feser 480 and a feser 360 for cooling. I was wondering if you think this will handle all that's cooled
I was thinking of using the 360 for cpu and and v reg and the 480 for nb sb and two 470 cards I can run two pumps or one . If I run all at stock settings what would be my thermal resistance and wattage and If I run at 4.0 on cpu v core at 1.39v leave cards stock do you think my cooling while be efficient?? right now my ambient in winter is23c cores on processor idle at stock 36c NB SB at 40c on 360 rad, cards idle at 28c on 320-220 rads for cards and v reg
Not Lehpron, but... I use an XSPC 360 for my CPU, VREG, NB/SB. Temps on CPU on the hottest Core while Folding at 1.4375v with +200 CPU VTT is 65C with an Idle temp on the CPU of 20C (Core 35ish?). My VREG is about 35C while folding as well. I use an XSPC 240 for my SLI 470SC card that are at 1.050v and folding 6800's temps are average of about 45-46. If I fold the 6811's it goes to 50C. Gaming Temp in COD BO and HAWX 2 is about 40C. Idle is about 28C-32C depending on room Temp. Average I would say is about 30C. E-LEET says System Temp is about 29-30C, my Room feels like 68-70F. Can see my rig setup in Mods Rigs. Each Radiator has CoolerMaster Excaliburs in Push/Pull for a total of 10 fans.
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/12/01 04:32:36
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whodaddy
Lepron I am going to switch to 1 feser 480 and a feser 360 for cooling. I was wondering if you think this will handle all that's cooled
I was thinking of using the 360 for cpu and and v reg and the 480 for nb sb and two 470 cards I can run two pumps or one . If I run all at stock settings what would be my thermal resistance and wattage and If I run at 4.0 on cpu v core at 1.39v leave cards stock do you think my cooling while be efficient?? right now my ambient in winter is23c cores on processor idle at stock 36c NB SB at 40c on 360 rad, cards idle at 28c on 320-220 rads for cards and v reg
Not Lehpron, but...
I use an XSPC 360 for my CPU, VREG, NB/SB. Temps on CPU on the hottest Core while Folding at 1.4375v with +200 CPU VTT is 65C with an Idle temp on the CPU of 20C (Core 35ish?). My VREG is about 35C while folding as well.
I use an XSPC 240 for my SLI 470SC card that are at 1.050v and folding 6800's temps are average of about 45-46. If I fold the 6811's it goes to 50C. Gaming Temp in COD BO and HAWX 2 is about 40C. Idle is about 28C-32C depending on room Temp. Average I would say is about 30C.
E-LEET says System Temp is about 29-30C, my Room feels like 68-70F. Can see my rig setup in Mods Rigs.
Each Radiator has CoolerMaster Excaliburs in Push/Pull for a total of 10 fans.
That sounds pretty decent for your temps, I have been running 9 fans 88cfm 3 for 320-220 sandwich and 6 on the 360 feser My v- reg is at 34c NB SB 40 ish cpu cores 36c no overclocking right now. as I said in the previous post ambient in my room 23-24 c. So Iont think I will see much more improvement adding in the 480 rad and removing 320-220 sandwich rads
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/12/02 00:41:32
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Lepron I am going to switch to 1 feser 480 and a feser 360 for cooling. I was wondering if you think this will handle all that's cooled
I was thinking of using the 360 for cpu and and v reg and the 480 for nb sb and two 470 cards I can run two pumps or one . If I run all at stock settings what would be my thermal resistance and wattage and If I run at 4.0 on cpu v core at 1.39v leave cards stock do you think my cooling while be efficient?? right now my ambient in winter is23c cores on processor idle at stock 36c NB SB at 40c on 360 rad, cards idle at 28c on 320-220 rads for cards and v reg In your case you may have multiple thermal resistences due to multiple blocks with multiple sources of heat load. Nonetheless, to simplify the math a bit and if all other factors stay equal between the loops (fan CFM's, pump flow rates and tube lengths are same), then the best you can practically hope for is a reduction in delta temps by the old divide by the new radiator numbers. You have five 120's in 320-220 rads and want to use seven in feser 480 and a feser 360, so that's 71.4% of the original. Still, your load temps minus your local ambient is the delta for each component, multiply by 0.714 and you have a lower delta. Add this to your local ambient and you have a new best temperature estimate. I say best because it is impossible to not affect anything else and your actual temps will be higher, but will be lower than what you had before. Remember, ambient should be measured relative to the cooler, not at any location. For an LCS, whatever goes into the radiator, right at the face of it or a push-fan. Oddly enough, had you doubled the radiator surface area (say gone for ten 120's in the form of another 320-220 in the same loop), you would cut the thermal resistence and thus temperature delta in half, instead of a 29% max reduction. But if you use them all (the feser 480-360 and your 320-220 set), then that's the equivalent of twelve 120's, and thus a 58% max reduction -- but this way you incur tube length and thus head pressure losses. Flow rate slows the longer it has to travel, like you turned down the flow rate and hinders heat removal. Always try to have a the least amount of fluid travel for your loop.
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/12/02 04:23:10
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Thanks for the response Lepron,and Loveha, I think I follow you, problem is I can't physically fit 480-360-320-220 rads into the system (ie) more surface area and fans. as far as flow rate if I run the two pumps in series to maintain head pressure through out the loop that should take care of flow rate. also this loop will reduce tube length example, pump1 res> pump>360 >cpu>v-reg to pump2> to 480 rad>NB-SB>470-470> res this loop wiil also reduce tube length. As far as having all those rads in one loop not physically possible for my case
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/12/02 09:24:53
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Good info here Sledge. Good to know I've got 1800W of cooling power on my rig. lol. Does a really good job too.  Oh and Lephron did you get my PM?
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/12/02 20:41:58
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so if my PSU puts out up to 1500W (i dont use that much), then more than 1500W of cooling would be plenty?
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/12/02 23:06:27
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Good info here Sledge. Good to know I've got 1800W of cooling power on my rig. lol. Does a really good job too.
Oh and Lephron did you get my PM? I did yes, but it will be at least a week before I reply though, been kinda occupied. docta_tucka
so if my PSU puts out up to 1500W (i dont use that much), then more than 1500W of cooling would be plenty?
That would depends on how much of the 1500 you're currently using. If you're using 800-1000 of power, then 1500W of heat removal works. But if your system is approaching 1200W total, you may want to look into more than 1800W of heat removal. You want to keep a ratio of distance from what you need and how much you have, don't let them get close otherwise you're testing the design limits of your LCS and will get higher than prefered temperatures. I'd recommend at least a ratio of 1.5 from what you need. Higher the better, always; and there's no such thing as overkill provided you did your homework. Also, heat removal isn't a constant, it will depend on fan and pump flow rates, if you ever turn them down to save power or noise, it won't be a 1500W heat removal system anymore. If you reduce everything by some percentage, heat removal follows that trend. Of course there is a limit in the other direction; you can't take a rad rated for 600W using a pair of 80CFM fans and stick on a pair of 160CFM screamers and expect to get 1200W, doesn't work that way. That radiator might result in more turbulence and minimal increase in heat removal past a certain fan airflow rate, there are rads meant for both low- and high-flow fans, but they don't mix-match.
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Re:Hardware Labs Radiators & Max Wattage
2010/12/03 08:12:15
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Halo_003
Good info here Sledge. Good to know I've got 1800W of cooling power on my rig. lol. Does a really good job too.
Oh and Lephron did you get my PM? I did yes, but it will be at least a week before I reply though, been kinda occupied. <-- Thanks, Just was checking cause I've been having problems with PMs lately, whenever you get around to it is fine.
Also, heat removal isn't a constant, it will depend on fan and pump flow rates, if you ever turn them down to save power or noise, it won't be a 1500W heat removal system anymore. If you reduce everything by some percentage, heat removal follows that trend. Of course there is a limit in the other direction; you can't take a rad rated for 600W using a pair of 80CFM fans and stick on a pair of 160CFM screamers and expect to get 1200W, doesn't work that way. That radiator might result in more turbulence and minimal increase in heat removal past a certain fan airflow rate, there are rads meant for both low- and high-flow fans, but they don't mix-match.
True I've observed this with my GTX 480(rad). It's rather interesting to see what fan speed gets the best temps, and how little noise you can attempt to get while staying at low temps. For example running 3 CM R4s at full speed on it in push hold CPU load temps around 58C, while running 4 3kRMP Ultra Kazes can hold the same load at 50C. But the noise difference is pretty large between those two types of fan. This is one reason I have always wondered about Falcon_CMH using 252CFM Delta fans on Black Ice SR-1 480s.. Since those rads are optimized for low flow fans.
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