First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with SLI 480 HC FTW 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide

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I've been asked by a few people to post my experiences as a first time water cooler. I've been around PCs since TRS-80 Model 1. So ya I'm an old guy and learning new things. Special thanks to sledgehammer70 for leading me into a spending frenzy. Please visit his thread as he has some excellent pictures and detailed information with links to specific hardware. http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=247816
 
I will be updating this thread for all those curious on how my new build comes along. I'm going from an EVGA 790i Ultra SLI, E8400 @ 4ghz,  2xGTX 280, 8GB ram, Corsair HX1000W etc etc to this new build. Most of the parts list below, I am still undecided 100% on whether I will go with W3520/920 or just get the 980X. Here's the details and a pic so far, pic has just the new watercooling stuff that arrived today, cpu and MB is going to be tested on bench first before I assemble that beast. I haven't had buyer's remorse since I got my new car but it hit me only 20 min after clicking the confirm button.
 
WC setup will be 1xQuad rad for CPU, 2xTriple for GPUs separate loops.
 
1 x EVGA X58 SLI (758) (survived my torturous install, beast of a board)
1 x EnzoTech EVX-58 Chipset Waterblock
1 x Intel W3520 Xeon (might change to 980X)
3 x Mushkin 4GB Blackline (12GB total) # 998798 (best stuff best support IMO of course)
3 x EVGA GTX 480 HC FTW (killer cards!)
1 x Antec Quattro 1200 RoHS 1200W TruePower Quattro - 80 PLUS (TPQ1200) 
23 x Tygon 3603 1/2" ID (3/4" OD) Clear Tubing (TYGON-3603-1/2)
1 x Swiftech APOGEE XT Ultra Extreme Performance Water Block (APOGEE-XT)
2 x Swiftech MCP655 Series 12 VDC Water Pumps (MCP655) (never ever ever run it dry must have constant water intake!)
1 x XSPC Acrylic Dual 5.25 Split Bay Reservoir (XSPC-BR525DSPLT)
16 x Bitspower Premium G1/4" High Flow 1/2" Fitting (BP-WTP-C01)
2 x Bitspower Crystal T-Block - 180 Degree Water Cooling Accessory (BP-TB-CL)
2 x Bitspower Silver Shiny Sealing Plug - 1/2" (BP-WTP-C31)
1 x Akasa SSD Mounting Kit for (2) 2.5" SSD or HDD (AK-MX010)
1 x Danger Den Double Wide Tower - 21 Black Series Edition Phantom - All Clear (DD-DOUBLE-WIDE)
4 x Coolink SWiF 80 mm (802) - UV Blue - Sleeved (SWIF-802)
10 x SilverStone SP-FF121 Fan Filter for 120mm Fans (SST-FF121B)  
10 x SCYTHE S-FLEX "F" 120mm 1600 rpm Quiet Fan - Sleeved (SFF21F)
1 x Corsair Airflow 2 GTL Cooling Fan Assembly - Blue (CMXAF2-BL) 
1 x Lian Li P-FN04B Six Channel Fan Controller with 24 BLUE Fiber Optic Tubes (PT-FN04)
2 x Logisys 12"-18 LED Super Bright Sunlight Stick- Sleeved - UV (ML12UV)
2 x XSPC RX360 Extreme Performance Radiator (RX360)
1 x XSPC RX480 Extreme Performance Radiator (RX480)
2 x Feser One F1 Cooling Fluid - UV Blue - 1 Liter (FESER1-UVBL)
22 x Stainless Steel Shielded Hose Clamps for 3/4in.OD.Tubing (CLAMP-ST-L) 
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Updated: removed Lamptron CCFL as it seemed to run hot for some reason and replaced lighting with LED sticks which are very safe (no inverter needed just a male/female passthru molex connector. Added few other items like fan controller and T block with plugs so I can drain loop in future in case of hardware swap.
 

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    rac2max
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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/09 10:18:30 (permalink)
    man...wish I have your money

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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/09 10:27:21 (permalink)
    Can't wait to see how this turns out.

    Thanks
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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/09 10:35:36 (permalink)
    sledgehammer70

    Can't wait to see how this turns out.


    Thanks to you I was able to distingish from junkie materials and go for the best stuff out there. I researched water cooling "kits" and found a lot of nightmare stories. You were absolutely right about the cost involved in going for high end materials. It took me a week or more to figure out and many times I had myself talked out of water cooling altogether. In fact I was not even going to upgrade at all from my 4Ghz E8400 Dual core but after reading a lot of reviews on X58 platform / Quad core vs Dual core seeing results of SLI with X58 I decided I was just going to deal with finding a way to pay the credit card off AFTER I got everything that would set me up for 2-3 yrs of 60 fps @ 2560x1600 in DX11.
     
    This stuff is like any hobby very expensive and depreciates quickly I had a 210G saltwater aquarium I invested $7-8K and sold it all for $2200... Hopefully paying off the CC won't be so painful and extra jobs come my way.
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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/09 10:40:20 (permalink)
    I have never heard of that case, looks like lots of fun!!  Looks like you and your camera need to get busy! 

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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/09 10:45:50 (permalink)
    nateman_doo

    I have never heard of that case, looks like lots of fun!!  Looks like you and your camera need to get busy! 


    I read one of your threads, nice to meet you and you are quite extreme by the way! All that super cold stuff lol. Yep I have 8GB memory stick in that camera too bad I have to format the pics to 500kb which is pretty small and I'm still trying to figure out how to convert them to something other than 1280x1024 size. I'm not much of a picture taker / size convertor is there an easy way in Vista to choose a resolution? Right now I just tell it to attach to email to resize to 1280x1024 and save. Yep sounds lame I know.
     
    As for that case, I was very surprised not to find references on here or other water cooling / overclocking forums. I could only find a couple reviews on Danger Den's acrylic cases. Original I was going to go for the DD Tower 26 which is a single wide 26" tall that allows 1 Quad rad, but I figured 1 Quad rad was just not going to cut it and I wanted more space for my "stuff" I'll be pretty busy benching X58 + CPU this weekend meanwhile as I am waiting to see stability etc I'll be unpacking things and assembling my first acrylic case.
    Here's some pictures of that case stock and other's modded versions. http://dangerden.smugmug.com/gallery/9159011_cr89D#681997732_cKqQy
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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/09 10:58:43 (permalink)
    Pentium.. just use MS paint and use the re size option. its much faster than anything else. I just dropped my images to 15% of their size (12MP Camera) and they were perfect.

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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/09 16:46:23 (permalink)
    awesome x 10! I spotted those DD acrylic cases while researching their water blocks a while back. I really like em and they look sweeeeet all lit up. I can't wait to see some finished pics and how you deal with optical drives/hard drives. I think I may have to go with one of those cases, but it will likely be at least summer before I can swing it. Glad to see someone doing this build! Hardware selection speaks for itself...

     
                                                                                                                                   




                              
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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/14 07:16:27 (permalink)
    WoW!!! How many money in hardware

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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/14 09:37:06 (permalink)
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      WC setup will be 1xQuad rad for CPU, 2xTriple for GPUs separate loops.
     
    1 x EVGA X58 SLI (758)
    1 x Intel W3520 Xeon (might change to 980X)
    3 x Mushkin 4GB Blackline (12GB total) # 998798 (my 790i with 8GB ram slots loaded runs DDR3-1680 when all other companies couldn't do it)
    3 x GTX 480 HC FTW (waiting for them!!!! so will be testing with a ..... don't laugh Nvidia 128MB PCI-E cheesy card) 
    1 x Antec Quattro 1200 RoHS 1200W TruePower Quattro - 80 PLUS (TPQ1200)
    15 x Tygon 3603 1/2" ID (3/4" OD) Clear Tubing (TYGON-3603-1/2)
    1 x Swiftech APOGEE XT Ultra Extreme Performance Water Block (APOGEE-XT)
    2 x Swiftech MCP655™ Series 12 VDC Water Pumps (MCP655)
    1 x XSPC Acrylic Dual 5.25” Split Bay Reservoir (XSPC-BR525DSPLT)
    10 x Bitspower Premium G1/4" High Flow 1/2" Fitting (BP-WTP-C01)
    1 x Akasa SSD Mounting Kit for (2) 2.5" SSD or HDD (AK-MX010)
    1 x Danger Den Double Wide Tower - 21 Black Series Edition Phantom - All Clear (DD-DOUBLE-WIDE)
    4 x Coolink SWiF 80 mm (802) - UV Blue - Sleeved (SWIF-802)
    10 x SilverStone SP-FF121 Fan Filter for 120mm Fans (SST-FF121B) 
    2 x Feser One F1 Cooling Fluid - UV Blue - 1 Liter (FESER1-UVBL) 
    4 x SCYTHE S-FLEX™ "F" 120mm 1600 rpm Quiet Fan - Sleeved (SFF21F)
    4 x 12'' Cold Cathode Add-on Tube Sleeved - Ultraviolet (TUBEUV12)
    2 x XSPC RX360 Extreme Performance Radiator (RX360)
    1 x XSPC RX480 Extreme Performance Radiator (RX480)
    1 x Lamptron "Elite" 4-port Black Anodized Aluminum Casing CCFL Inverter! (LAMP-INV-4PORT-BK)
    22 x Stainless Steel Shielded Hose Clamps for 3/4in.OD.Tubing (CLAMP-ST-L)
     
     



    Any update on the build?


    Thanks
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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/28 03:27:14 (permalink)
    Wow, it has been 2 weeks.... Yikes. Well here are a couple pics. I am moving full steam ahead now on finishing this up. I should be water loop testing in a few hours. A few things in my office needed to be addressed which took my focus away from this build for a little bit plus I was waiting to get the cards. I will have more pics throughout the day.
     

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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/28 05:20:33 (permalink)
    DAMN YOU for having multiple FTW's while I still wait on my extras

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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/28 06:38:42 (permalink)

     
                                                                                                                                   




                              
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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/28 06:43:50 (permalink)
    OMFG!!!! Two FTW

    Im so jealous, lucky you.

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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/28 08:16:26 (permalink)
    How in God's name did you get two?  I have tried EVERYTHING . . . EVERYTHING!!!!!!!

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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/28 08:42:00 (permalink)
    yea man how did u get two of them things already?? And why do you want such a big flashy case? I'm watercooling my setup with a gtx 480 in a zmachine mid tower, everything cools fine. even before the water was on with the stock cpu fan it was running full at 53

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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/28 08:48:27 (permalink)
    #dquintana -- Big cases are the bomb.  I am putting together my mountain mod case now and it is the AWESOME!  OMG I will never use any other case again --- so easy to work in. 

    @Pentium -- if you don't cough up how you got two of those now, I'm gonna send Jack Bauer to do some extreme interrogation on you.

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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/28 09:23:59 (permalink)
    haha, or chuck norris with a bb gun, right? yea i guess its everyones own opinion, i mean i first ordered the cosmos to set up for water cooling, and that thing was well built and very roomy. i just couldnt stand having it on my desk, if it happened to fall over i think it would crush me, lol

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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/28 10:33:31 (permalink)
    Oh, my computer is in the laundry room, while its keyboard, mouse and projector are in the club part of the basement.  So, I don't really have to consider noise / worrying about it crushing me.  And yes, I have it elevated a bit in case of flooding.

    Silverstone Strider ST 1500W
    EVGA 760 Classified (watercooled)
    Intel 980X @ approx 4.3; 1.41 Vcore WITH VDROOP (watercooled) 
    12 GB Dominator GT @ 1766, 7-8-7-20-1T        
    Soundblaster X-Fi PCI Card
    Two 480GTX HC FTW  910Mhz Core, 2100Mhz Memory, 1.1125 volts
    Intel x-25E 64 GB SSD (OS, drivers, a few apps)
    Intel x-25M 160GB (games and save games)
    300GB Velociraptor (documents and other media).
    750 GB Sata HD (think it's maxtor) (backups)
    LG Blu-ray RW Drive


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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/28 12:44:53 (permalink)
    damn that sounds like a crazy cool setup, when u think about it like that then all you have to worry about is good airflow, and lighting up whatever room it is in. So what do u do then sit in a chair with a small desk in the center of an empty room with a projector screen on the wall? lmao picturing that seems real lonely, haha

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    Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/04/28 13:30:05 (permalink)
    Quick question - what is/are the chipset block(s) you used for your mobo?  I don't see it/them in the list and am now making my final decision on this (I had read this thread a while ago and am glad you posted in mine to remind me of this one!!!)

    Thanx!

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    Re:First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with 3way SLI 480s 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide 2010/04/28 14:17:18 (permalink)
    cpsusie@hotmail.com

    #dquintana -- Big cases are the bomb.  I am putting together my mountain mod case now and it is the AWESOME!  OMG I will never use any other case again --- so easy to work in. 

    @Pentium -- if you don't cough up how you got two of those now, I'm gonna send Jack Bauer to do some extreme interrogation on you.


    Hint: Same way Sledge (that wrote the HC FTW SLI review) got his :-) Find his thread you'll have the answer.
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    Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/04/28 14:25:30 (permalink)
    imweasel

    Quick question - what is/are the chipset block(s) you used for your mobo?  I don't see it/them in the list and am now making my final decision on this (I had read this thread a while ago and am glad you posted in mine to remind me of this one!!!)

    Thanx!

    Thank you for pointing that out revised my OP, I forgot that this was an after addition as I hadn't planned to originally cool my chipset / vregs but due to the temps at overclock on the bench (80'C on vregs) I decided to cool them. I decided also to leave the chipset/vreg on the GPU side because GPU temps aren't as sensitive as CPU when you are pushing high CPU overclocks.
     
    EnzoTech EVX-58 Chipset Waterblock with review http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=288235&high=EVX-58
     
    BTW I ended up using the "sponge" it is not too thick at all it is the same thickness as the stock cushions that are on the stock HSF assembly. I think the guy reviewing was too afraid to torque down the block. I did however use the original screws with the black feet for the chipset. I did a quickstart test after getting MB installed. It did POST and I checked BIOS but without water running through it got hot fairly quick CPU only got to 39C but NB chip was at 68C so I shutdown. Not 100% sure that my NB is seated perfectly yet but when water check is complete I'll know for certain.
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    Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/04/28 15:26:58 (permalink)
    thanks!

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    Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/04/28 21:12:56 (permalink)
    This build looks awesome but why are you using a motherboard with no NF200 chips? That X58 SLI is going to be running the PCIE slots at x8 rather than x16 which will be bottle-necking the 480's. It seems like money isn't a problem for you, how come you didn't go with the X58 4 way classified?

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    Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/04/28 23:44:15 (permalink)
    I really like that case... I was never a fan of acrylic but i think it is growing on me... especially now that I see how much benefit a double wide case can really be.

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    Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/04/29 10:39:39 (permalink)
    hey my comp came with this 3/8 silicone tubing. it sucks u cant see thru it for the fact i have feser uv fluid in it. i was wondering if ill see temp changes if i did change to say, the feser one pvc tubing. i heard tygon is the best but i dont know the actual performance difference. thanks

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    Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/04/29 13:52:00 (permalink)
    Looking good! Tygon is the best imho but its just a tube in the end and its flexibility and not collapsing that make it really nice.

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    Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/04/29 23:19:48 (permalink)
    Lanceare

    This build looks awesome but why are you using a motherboard with no NF200 chips? That X58 SLI is going to be running the PCIE slots at x8 rather than x16 which will be bottle-necking the 480's. It seems like money isn't a problem for you, how come you didn't go with the X58 4 way classified?


    In the end I opted for 480 HC FTW SLI instead of 3 way after considering I'd need to get a 2200VA UPS (1980W) because my 1500VA (980W) wasn't enough for the 1220W that. Most importantly I'd have 2 big 1500VA batteries sitting around with the two other 1500VA older Backup Pros. I'm running out of room for all the used stuff laying around here and it is driving me crazy.
     
    So both cards will run 16x in SLI which should be good enough for 90%+ of games out there right now, had I gone for that 3rd card I'd have waited on upgrade next gen but instead I will just go with next gen SLI immediately when they come out.
     
    I am done with radiator installs, tubing will be done in a couple hours and then leak testing while I get some sleep, hopefully I won't wake up with any water leaks then I can fire her up and take some final pics of the build.
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    Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/04/29 23:21:47 (permalink)
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    hey my comp came with this 3/8 silicone tubing. it sucks u cant see thru it for the fact i have feser uv fluid in it. i was wondering if ill see temp changes if i did change to say, the feser one pvc tubing. i heard tygon is the best but i dont know the actual performance difference. thanks


    Well the Tygon is laboratory grade and after using it on some fittings it sticks to the fittings like glue, it is very tacky and when you have to make bends it is quite flexible. The 1/2" ID 3/4" OD is very thick so you really have to want to cut it or put a hole in it.
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