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http://www.gamersnexus.ne...ture-test-and-analysis
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    Re: Gamers Nexus Report 2016/11/23 14:19:10 (permalink)
    Thanks!
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    Re: Gamers Nexus Report 2016/11/23 14:23:56 (permalink)

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    Re: Gamers Nexus Report 2016/11/23 14:31:00 (permalink)
     
    So it seems that the early shipped cards could perhaps have bad capacitors. This makes sense when you look at all the pictures in social media of burnt out cards as the scorch marks seem to be where the caps are located on the cards.
     
    Any response from EVGA on this article?
     
    Well I guess we are "Awaiting Shipment" whoops!! I mean "Awaiting a Response"
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    Re: Gamers Nexus Report 2016/11/23 14:38:53 (permalink)
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    So it seems that the early shipped cards could perhaps have bad capacitors. This makes sense when you look at all the pictures in social media of burnt out cards as the scorch marks seem to be where the caps are located on the cards.
     
    Any response from EVGA on this article?
     
    Well I guess we are "Awaiting Shipment" whoops!! I mean "Awaiting a Response"




    Too early, the article was just posted at 440 pm today.


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    Re: Gamers Nexus Report 2016/11/23 14:44:51 (permalink)
    Good Article.
     
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    Re: Gamers Nexus Report 2016/11/23 14:45:18 (permalink)
    Maybe one of these should ship with cards. Just in case. LOL

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    Re: Gamers Nexus Report 2016/11/23 14:47:36 (permalink)
    Quote; "To restate: This isn't saying EVGA is in the right. The card could have been designed better, and there are still failures, it's just not the reason everyone seemed to think. Maybe bad caps, maybe the usual mix of workmanship / supply-side quality control, but not the VRM temperatures."
     
     
     

     

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    Re: Gamers Nexus Report 2016/11/23 15:23:26 (permalink)
    Interesting findings. I wonder if that's the reason why we've seen a series of failure over the last few weeks fairly close together with very similar failure modes (despite the cards launching a few months earlier): they really got a bad batch of caps and they're now out in the wild, popping. That would also explain why we see more FTWs popping than SCs (based on a cursory reading of reddit and the forums here) - different PCB, different component selection.
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    Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/23 16:04:25 (permalink)
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/23 16:07:53 (permalink)
    This has already be posted. http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2587240
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/23 16:24:37 (permalink)


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    Re: Gamers Nexus Report 2016/11/23 16:30:46 (permalink)
    Very interesting!  Seems that thermals are quite normal, which is good to settle the mind.  I always had one question.  The ACX 3.0 and SC versions of the card use the reference pcb with one 8 pin vs all the other cards having two 8 pin.  I always wondered of the extra power to the FTW, and Classified did something to accelerate or make the issue happen.  Very rarely do you read about a reference ACX 3.0 1080 or SC "blowing up".  Just a thought...

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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/23 16:31:56 (permalink)
    R.I.P, sorry I didn't see them
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    Re: Gamers Nexus Report 2016/11/23 16:37:32 (permalink)
    Must admit that my first (all be it far too cynically, tongue-in-cheek) reaction reading this was:
     
    "Yay! So it wasn't initial penny-pinching on thermal pads, its just workmanship and component quality control issues! Wait..."
     
    An interesting read. Given there's a few pictures of visibly damaged cards floating around though would have thought it would be easier to identify which components are actually failing than making assumptions of what it could or might be - I mean, figure EVGA would be looking into the RMA'ed cards, right? If it isn't the thermals/failing of the VRM's themselves, I'm wondering if maybe the heat being transferred to surrounding components increasing the risk of other failures being the reason for the new BIOS and thermal pad options?
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/23 16:48:43 (permalink)
    Merging threads.
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/23 20:04:37 (permalink)
    Cool, so it seems I was completely allowing my imagination run amok and worried these last weeks over practically nothing. Guess I should've listened to the experts.  
     
    Still going to install the pads... when they eventually arrive, but now I won't have to nag Evga so much anymore about what is keeping them. :)
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/23 21:00:10 (permalink)
    So basically the lack of thermal pads was an oversight, but not one that would lead to the type of catastrophic failures we keep seeing popping up all over multiple forums.
     
    After extensive testing, Gamers Nexus seems to think it is very likely that these catastrophic failures are the result of poorly manufactured capacitors (maybe some, maybe all?) instead of a thermal issue which EVGA has claimed.
     
    I'm not sure why anyone would feel a sense of relief after hearing this. It only means that the most likely issue with these cards has yet to be acknowledged by EVGA. Sure, a .02 failure rate is probably acceptable, but the card hasn't been on the market that long and so this number will likely increase dramatically.
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/23 21:57:37 (permalink)
    Sometimes companies decide to save cost, and save more and more and than suddenly from one point that reflect on end product and they lost everything what they saved in previous period and more. 
    I'm glad my model next GPU model is not affected...(Hybrid)
    Hardware issue or fault GPU is very bad thing but if I need to hit fault GPU better to be with EVGA than with some other company.

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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/23 22:01:35 (permalink)
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    So basically the lack of thermal pads was an oversight, but not one that would lead to the type of catastrophic failures we keep seeing popping up all over multiple forums.
     
    After extensive testing, Gamers Nexus seems to think it is very likely that these catastrophic failures are the result of poorly manufactured capacitors (maybe some, maybe all?) instead of a thermal issue which EVGA has claimed.
     
    I'm not sure why anyone would feel a sense of relief after hearing this. It only means that the most likely issue with these cards has yet to be acknowledged by EVGA. Sure, a .02 failure rate is probably acceptable, but the card hasn't been on the market that long and so this number will likely increase dramatically.




    So reading through the summaries,  EVGA insists the defect rate for their 10 series card is the same as EVGAs previous products and the Gamer Nexus piece is essentially saying EVGA put their own card on blast and amplified failures because they neglected to put thermal pads on the cards (due to an oversight), saw independent report of VRM thermals to be dangerously high, felt concerned, and went public about the high thermals due to lack of thermals padding and provided a fix, causing EVGA owners to report every little problem, including cards exploding, that may have happened anyways due to normal defects and not due to the high VRM.  Fair enough.
     
      This piece really hinges on EVGA's 200 per million defect figure being correct and that there is no creative accounting. And I'm almost certain it excludes the 3-4% defective VRMs that caused the black screen + fan 100% issue; As 2 cards had that exact same issue at my local PC parts retailer in a short span of time (I had one of these cards), and their own stated 3-4% defect rate would put the defective cards at much more that 0.02% for sure.
     
    So there's some creative math, which is fine, as EVGA likely feels they weren't at fault for that issue as it was a supplier issue.  But the rest of the story is up to the eye of the beholder.
    I feel like there's something we're missing here, but I'm very happy with EVGA's aftercare and they will have me as a customer if this RMA card lasts me to when I plan to upgrade with the 12xx series.
    As I plan to invest big again and love the safety net they do provide.  I just hope it's not so much of a hassle next time.
     
    One question I have is pictures of cards that combusted seem to always happen at the same area where the 'V' and 'G' is on the backplate.  What component other than VRM would be there?
     
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/23 23:54:13 (permalink)
    I feel comfortable now, if it is manufacturing defect in some cards.. so be it. I will do my part and apply the thermal pads once they arrive. Will play to the max and do casual benchmarks like I always do with any GPU.
     
    If it is going to pop, let it pop. I will RMA... I'm sure EVGA won't disappoint in that regard.
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/24 00:19:34 (permalink)
    Moving on to the torture test with the new VBIOS and thermal pads, the worst we got was about 82C on the PCB. That's mostly the thermal pads doing work, too, so don't listen to those comments saying that the thermal pads do nothing. They are utterly, completely false, and based on nothing. We've done dozens of hours of tests at this point, and we can confidently tell you that the thermal pads massively contribute to performance. Just looking at the fan speeds of those two charts, you'll see that we're even below the overall speed when we were manually tuning the cards for worst case scenarios
     
    From Gamer nexus test.. so i guess ALL should stop calling Thermal pads as OPTIONAL... 
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/24 00:33:13 (permalink)
    Excellent analysis. Makes a lot of sense and confirms a lot of claims.
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/24 02:13:45 (permalink)
    If the issue is not caused by the higher temps but by faulty components that means the cards dying, they would die anyway even if you installed the thermal pads and BIOS update?
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/24 02:32:24 (permalink)
    There are so anger and frustration and I avoid even to read or comment something.
    People should calm down. Guy above explain...
     
    If it is going to pop, let it pop. I will RMA... I'm sure EVGA won't disappoint in that regard.

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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/24 03:00:06 (permalink)
    Can someone make a resume for those who dont speak very well english ? 

    Whats new for those who wont put the pads ? Seems good news no ?
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/24 03:33:52 (permalink)
    tabrez7 so i guess ALL should stop calling Thermal pads as OPTIONAL... 




    Did you look at the video and the link, the thermal pads are optional and its right to say that ;)

    Even if its better to use the pads , the card will work just fine without the pads
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/24 10:40:56 (permalink)
    i think it is safe to say now that EVGA should ship Tinfoil Hats instead of Thermal Pads.  
     
    GG on the Internet Panic though.... 0.02% failure rate and people panic like we are looking at the next 33% RROD situation.  
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    Re: Final EVGA VRM Torture Test: VRM Thermals Not the Killer of Cards 2016/11/24 11:31:00 (permalink)
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    i think it is safe to say now that EVGA should ship Tinfoil Hats instead of Thermal Pads.  
     
    GG on the Internet Panic though.... 0.02% failure rate and people panic like we are looking at the next 33% RROD situation.  


     
    The missing thermal pads were, in my mind, a legitimate concern to have, as they were omitted by mistake and not design.
     
    Worrying about the 0.02% is just plain silly. Especially since Evga has your back if you turn out to be one of the (very) few who has a capacitor blow up, and will most likely replace the card and any parts damaged by the card.
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