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2016/01/20 10:56:17 (permalink)
I recently RMA’d a dead GTX 690, and was told that it was being replaced with a GTX 980. The GTX 980 performs worse than the GTX 690, so I sent this  :
 Hello my name is Karim ,
I recently called your customer support number about me getting replaced with a weaker GPU than the faulty one which goes against your policy which states that replacements will be a thoroughly tested recertified product of equal or greater performance. The product I sent in was a GTX 690 which I use to edit videos and render 3D models which requires lots of Cuda cores of which it has 3072 while the GTX 980 has 2048 cores and does not have any scaling issues. Comparing the two cards with modern benchmarks like I have here

you can see that the 690 gets a graphics score of over 15 thousand while the 980 only gets about 12 thousand, as you can see here in a benchmark conducted by Guru3d, which is very highly regarded
 
and 13 thousand when PCPerspective did their testing
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A GTX 690 is dual 680s which have then been rebranded to a 770 which is generally regarded as being slightly more powerful than a 960. So a 960s in SLI would generally perform about the same as the 690 but taking up twice the space and twice the power connectors as shown here

with the 690 being just a bit more powerful. If you look at benchmarks the general gist of them is the 960s in SLI which I have shown to be close to a 690 generally outperforms the GTX 980 with properly optimized code.
I have been without a GPU for a month after being sent on a wild goose chase to obtain this RMA and being patient with EVGA while they were moving their servers and have continued to stick with EVGA products even after 4 RMAs because I knew I would be treated fairly, which is not what is going on here.
My RMA number xxxxxxx my phone number is xxx xxx xxxx if you choose to call me.
I believe that a GTX 980ti would be a much better candidate for a replacement GPU as the Firestrike score is nearly identical as evident here
and here

 even though it has less Cuda cores due to architectural differences.
I called back because I wanted to make sure the that GTX 980 was not sent before this mountain of information filled with benchmarks from reliable sources as well as my own testing (which shows that when an application properly utilizes multiple graphic cards the 690 is consistently superior.) I am told that the email has been read and that EVGA is waiting on a GTX 690 to pop up in their inventory. Thing is, the GTX 690 is a rare card and it could take months for another one to appear and they told me I could be waiting indefinitely. They also told me that the GTX 980 is an upgrade - even though it not only has over 1,000 less cuda cores. These  are a big deal to me. It is also slower in games that aren't considered "broken". The numbers show that a GTX 980ti has the same raw performance as a GTX 690, yet I am told that it is too big of an upgrade.
 
TLDR: I was lied to and told that a GTX 980 is an upgrade to my GTX 690 and then lied to again and told that a GTX 980ti is a huge upgrade and I could take a weaker GPU or wait months for them to refurbish the 690
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 10:58:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby thekeemo 2016/01/20 11:29:46
I was involved with the entire RMA process with him, I helped tell him what to say and what not. I was in Skype when we made the call and all that I can say is that I am very disappointed. The numbers were all in favor for the GTX 690 over the 980 (even the CUDA count alone....) and customer service consistently denied our true claims. 

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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:12:07 (permalink)
Hi,
 
I am very sorry to hear of any confusion with this process.  I can confirm that we do exchange products in terms of overall performance and the GTX 980 card that you received is a newer model with equal or greater performance of your previous GTX 690 card.  
 
I can also confirm that we have offered that if you are still not satisfied with your replacement, then we are willing to assist with exchanging your product with another GTX 690 at no charge to you to assist.
 
Please let us know if you do wish to proceed with a RMA to go back to a GTX 690 and we will have this processed for you.
 
Phone: 1-888-881-3842 Option 1
Email: Support@evga.com 



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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:15:30 (permalink)
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Hi,
 
I am very sorry to hear of any confusion with this process.  I can confirm that we do exchange products in terms of overall performance and the GTX 980 card that you received is a newer model with equal or greater performance of your previous GTX 690 card.  
 
I can also confirm that we have offered that if you are still not satisfied with your replacement, then we are willing to assist with exchanging your product with another GTX 690 at no charge to you to assist.
 
Please let us know if you do wish to proceed with a RMA to go back to a GTX 690 and we will have this processed for you.
 
Phone: 1-888-881-3842 Option 1
Email:  


That is exactly what I was told
I have just shown that the GTX 980 is less powerful if you take a look at the pastebin link  I did not realize links are removed from the forum I have instead pasted it into the original post.
and that the option is not really an option as it can take an infinite amount of time.
post edited by thekeemo - 2016/01/20 11:18:13
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:19:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby thekeemo 2016/01/20 11:27:43
980 is an upgrade to 690! Wow
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:19:27 (permalink)
I guess you could say that my 5 GTX 690 Graphics Cards are all still running very well, knock on wood.  
Also my newer GTX 980 Graphics Cards one set as 4-Way SLI and the other as 2-Way SLI / Solo card run circles around my GTX 690 Cards set as Quad-SLI. The biggest gain was the Power or Wattage usage with the GTX 980 Cards.
The GTX 980 take half or more power then the GTX 690 Graphics Cards do.
I would trade one for one if I needed to RMA my GTX 690 Cards.
I am sure that my GTX 690 Quad SLI Setup failed EVGA would provide two new GTX 980 or even two new GTX 980Ti to replace them. In the long run two GTX 980 in SLI would be a better combination than two GTX 690 Cards.
Remember that the GTX 690 only has 2GB per GPU for a total of 4GB while the GTX 980 have 4GB and the Ti 6GB. 

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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:22:06 (permalink)
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I guess you could say that my 5 GTX 690 Graphics Cards are all still running very well, knock on wood.  
Also my newer GTX 980 Graphics Cards one set as 4-Way SLI and the other as 2-Way SLI / Solo card run circles around my GTX 690 Cards set as Quad-SLI. The biggest gain was the Power or Wattage usage with the GTX 980 Cards.
The GTX 980 take half or more power then the GTX 690 Graphics Cards do.
I would trade one for one if I needed to RMA my GTX 690 Cards.
I am sure that my GTX 690 Quad SLI Setup failed EVGA would provide two new GTX 980 or even two new GTX 980Ti to replace them. In the long run two GTX 980 in SLI would be a better combination than two GTX 690 Cards.
Remember that the GTX 690 only has 2GB per GPU for a total of 4GB while the GTX 980 have 4GB and the Ti 6GB. 


They are sending one 980 not two
power consumption is not an issue performance is
I am redoing the post because of the limitations of the forum which do not allow links
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:26:01 (permalink)
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I guess you could say that my 5 GTX 690 Graphics Cards are all still running very well, knock on wood.  
Also my newer GTX 980 Graphics Cards one set as 4-Way SLI and the other as 2-Way SLI / Solo card run circles around my GTX 690 Cards set as Quad-SLI. The biggest gain was the Power or Wattage usage with the GTX 980 Cards.
The GTX 980 take half or more power then the GTX 690 Graphics Cards do.
I would trade one for one if I needed to RMA my GTX 690 Cards.
I am sure that my GTX 690 Quad SLI Setup failed EVGA would provide two new GTX 980 or even two new GTX 980Ti to replace them. In the long run two GTX 980 in SLI would be a better combination than two GTX 690 Cards.
Remember that the GTX 690 only has 2GB per GPU for a total of 4GB while the GTX 980 have 4GB and the Ti 6GB. 


They are sending one 980 not two
power consumption is not an issue performance is
I am redoing the post because of the limitations of the forum which do not allow links


Yes I know and I would take ONE Card as well for One of my Card, but when you RMA a SLI System EVGA works with their users to return their computer back to an SLI based configuration. I would run SLI with 2 GTX 980Ti any day over my Quad SLI GTX 690 computer is all I am really saying.

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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:27:08 (permalink)
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I guess you could say that my 5 GTX 690 Graphics Cards are all still running very well, knock on wood.  
Also my newer GTX 980 Graphics Cards one set as 4-Way SLI and the other as 2-Way SLI / Solo card run circles around my GTX 690 Cards set as Quad-SLI. The biggest gain was the Power or Wattage usage with the GTX 980 Cards.
The GTX 980 take half or more power then the GTX 690 Graphics Cards do.
I would trade one for one if I needed to RMA my GTX 690 Cards.
I am sure that my GTX 690 Quad SLI Setup failed EVGA would provide two new GTX 980 or even two new GTX 980Ti to replace them. In the long run two GTX 980 in SLI would be a better combination than two GTX 690 Cards.
Remember that the GTX 690 only has 2GB per GPU for a total of 4GB while the GTX 980 have 4GB and the Ti 6GB. 


They are sending one 980 not two
power consumption is not an issue performance is
I am redoing the post because of the limitations of the forum which do not allow links


Yes I know and I would take ONE Card as well for One of my Card, but when you RMA a SLI System EVGA works with their users to return their computer back to an SLI based configuration. I would run SLI with 2 GTX 980Ti any day over my Quad SLI GTX 690 computer is all I am really saying.


I would too but they are sending the 980 which is weaker take a look at the modified post
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:27:53 (permalink)
Dear thekeemo,
 
Once again, if you are not happy with the replacement offered then we are more than willing to work with you to have this newer upgraded model exchanged with the original model GTX 690 that you had originally.  Please just let us know if you do wish to process this exchange at no charge to you.
 
I am sorry for any confusion or any miscommunication, as I can confirm that we are already testing the GTX 690 to re-certify it for you and we would be processing this request as soon as it is available to ship if you do wish to continue.
 
Comparison Chart: http://international.download.nvidia.com/webassets/en_US/shared/images/products/shared/lineup-full.png 
 
Phone: 1-888-881-3842 Option 1
Email: Support@evga.com 
post edited by EVGATech_ChrisB - 2016/01/20 11:32:38



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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:28:20 (permalink)
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Hi,
 
I am very sorry to hear of any confusion with this process.  I can confirm that we do exchange products in terms of overall performance and the GTX 980 card that you received is a newer model with equal or greater performance of your previous GTX 690 card.  
 
I can also confirm that we have offered that if you are still not satisfied with your replacement, then we are willing to assist with exchanging your product with another GTX 690 at no charge to you to assist.
 
Please let us know if you do wish to proceed with a RMA to go back to a GTX 690 and we will have this processed for you.
 
Phone: 1-888-881-3842 Option 1
Email:  


Please take a look at the modified post
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:29:21 (permalink)
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Dear thekeemo,
 
Once again, if you are not happy with the replacement offered then we are more than willing to work with you to have this newer upgraded model exchanged with the original model GTX 690 that you had originally.  Please just let us know if you do wish to process this exchange at no charge to you.
 
I am sorry for any confusion or any miscommunication, as I can confirm that we are already testing the GTX 690 to re-certify it for you and we would be processing this request as soon as it is available to ship if you do wish to continue.
 
Phone: 1-888-881-3842 Option 1
Email:  


If a 690 is available within a few days then I would be fine with that but I have already been without a GPU for a month and cannot afford to lose more time. On the phone I was told it takes several months to recertify a GPU because it has to be shipped back to a factory.
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:35:46 (permalink)
Dear thekeemo,
 
Yes, if you do wish to change back to a GTX 690 then this is a option available for you.
 
I have included a link to a performance chart for your reference below.
http://international.download.nvidia.com/webassets/en_US/shared/images/products/shared/lineup-full.png
 
 



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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:37:54 (permalink)
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Dear thekeemo,
 
Yes, if you do wish to change back to a GTX 690 then this is a option available for you.
 
I have included a link to a performance chart for your reference below.
 

If you can obtain a GTX 690 within 3 days I will be fine with that
the graph you have linked is extremely biased and uses numbers with the GPUs using the drivers they came out with and is meant to make people upgrade and not accurately compare them. I have linked benchmarks from 3rd parties that are very highly regarded.
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:46:36 (permalink)
Dear thekeemo,
 
I can confirm that the chart supplied is valid and accurate, but we will work with you since you do prefer a GTX 690. I have updated your request to be for a GTX 690 and this is expected to ship as soon as today to assist.



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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:47:03 (permalink)
Here is a Compare of One GTX 980 and the GTX 690
GTX 980 12844 GTX 690 11132
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/4553134/fs/106669
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/106669  690
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4553134  980
 

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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:47:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby thekeemo 2016/01/20 11:48:26
I agree with thekeemo. Those charts are extremely inaccurate. The gtx 980 is inferior to the 690 in terms of raw performance and cuda cores.
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:48:19 (permalink)
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Here is a Compare of One GTX 980 and the GTX 690
GTX 980 12844 GTX 690 11132
 
  690
  980


Look at the physics score
thats the part that actually compares the GPUs and not the RAM and CPU as well
the graphics score is exaggerated because the 980 is overclocked and the 690 system is using old drivers 2013 vs 2015
post edited by thekeemo - 2016/01/20 11:52:54
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:48:33 (permalink)
If they send you a 980 to hold you over until a 690 comes back in, then that would be a pretty decent deal. At least you wouldn't be completely out of gaming while you wait.

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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:54:48 (permalink)
So why don't you ask them if you want the 980 ti that you would pay for the difference of it.. problem solved there
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:55:47 (permalink)
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If they send you a 980 to hold you over until a 690 comes back in, then that would be a pretty decent deal. At least you wouldn't be completely out of gaming while you wait.

I use the card to render 3D models and video edit mainly.
By accepting the 980 I would basically allow them to hold off obtaining a 690 indefinitely.
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:56:30 (permalink)
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bcavnaugh
Here is a Compare of One GTX 980 and the GTX 690
GTX 980 12844 GTX 690 11132
 
  690
  980


Look at the physics score
thats the part that actually compares the GPUs and not the RAM and CPU as well
the graphics score is exaggerated because the 980 is overclocked and the 690 system is using old drivers 2013 vs 2015


I would  be happy to re-run the benchmarks test for you today, would you like me to do so?
Physics Score are based on CPU not GPU.
 
PS I only have the GTX 980 and not a Ti Model.

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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 11:57:05 (permalink)
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So why don't you ask them if you want the 980 time that you would pay for the difference of it.. problem solved there

So I pay more money to get what I should be getting in the first place?
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 12:03:14 (permalink)
thekeemo  PM me if you want to trade one of my GTX 690 Cards for your GTX 980 Card.
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 12:04:29 (permalink)
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 12:04:37 (permalink)
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I use the card to render 3D models and video edit mainly.
By accepting the 980 I would basically allow them to hold off obtaining a 690 indefinitely.


If they don't have the card you want, you will be on hold indefinitely anyway. Think about that.

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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 12:05:40 (permalink)
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I use the card to render 3D models and video edit mainly.
By accepting the 980 I would basically allow them to hold off obtaining a 690 indefinitely.


If they don't have the card you want, you will be on hold indefinitely anyway. Think about that.

They have 980TIs which are similar in performance
Not to mention they never gave me that offer.
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 12:05:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby thekeemo 2016/01/20 12:06:06
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I use the card to render 3D models and video edit mainly.
By accepting the 980 I would basically allow them to hold off obtaining a 690 indefinitely.


If they don't have the card you want, you will be on hold indefinitely anyway. Think about that.

We're gonna head this up with Nvidia. I got my Titan out of a very similar situation.

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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 12:07:58 (permalink)
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thekeemo  PM me if you want to trade one of my GTX 690 Cards for your GTX 980 Card.
I have them with the Stock Blower or with the Hydro Copper Water Block.


Then I have to deal with customs and shipping which is a nightmare because I am in Canada.
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Re: Unsatisfactory support from EVGA 2016/01/20 12:10:09 (permalink)
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They have 980TIs which are similar in performance
Not to mention they never gave me that offer.


The offer was for the 980, and they may have to wait for a replacement 690. If I was going up 2 full generations, I would want to go from a 690 to a 980ti or titan x also, but that doesn't always work out.

First and foremost, EVGA HAS reached out to you multiple times in this thread alone, and you should be speaking with them. I understand you want help, but this is a user based forum, and we can only give you input on our thoughts, as the only people who have say are the individuals that are labeled EVGAtech_******. They have reached out to you already. If you take the conversation to them in the requested manner, you are almost guaranteed much better results.

Again, everything here posted by anyone other than an EVGATECH_ is just an opinion.

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