MSim
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 14686
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2005/05/22 23:13:30
- Location: Earth
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 38
Nvidia Shield is a concept device that's having huge problems selling. The product hasn't been out for 9 months and already $150 price drop (Current price $199). Nvidia must be sitting on a ton of Tegra chips no one wants to do a fire sale so soon.
I think well all knew it wouldn't sell that well. If you wanted to play PC games on it you still need a gaming rig or laptop capable of streaming the game near you. Why be stuck on a xbox controller with a 5 inch screen if you have a gaming rig or gaming laptop in the other room with a much larger screen.
Do you agree Nvidia Shield a flop?
|
aka_STEVE_b
EGC Admin
- Total Posts : 17692
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2006/02/26 06:45:46
- Location: OH
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 69
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/26 04:47:00
(permalink)
It's cool enough of a product , problem is just market saturation......phones/ tablets/ portable gaming/ etc...
Only so much money to go around if you don't have some type of exclusive reason why people will choose yours over another product.
AMD RYZEN 9 5900X 12-core cpu~ ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero ~ EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3~ G.SKILL Trident Z NEO 32GB DDR4-3600 ~ Phanteks Eclipse P400s red case ~ EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G+ PSU ~ Intel 660p M.2 drive~ Crucial MX300 275 GB SSD ~WD 2TB SSD ~CORSAIR H115i RGB Pro XT 280mm cooler ~ CORSAIR Dark Core RGB Pro mouse ~ CORSAIR K68 Mech keyboard ~ HGST 4TB Hd.~ AOC AGON 32" monitor 1440p @ 144Hz ~ Win 10 x64
|
MSim
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 14686
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2005/05/22 23:13:30
- Location: Earth
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 38
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/26 04:57:41
(permalink)
aka_STEVE_b
It's cool enough of a product , problem is just market saturation......phones/ tablets/ portable gaming/ etc...
Only so much money to go around if you don't have some type of exclusive reason why people will choose yours over another product.
That is true. Why spend $200 a Nvidia Shield when you can use that money to help buy a Tablet that can play Android games and run all kinds of apps and play movies. PC games on a 5 inch screen when you have a gaming rig near by doesn't make much sense.
|
srtie4k
FTW Member
- Total Posts : 1589
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2010/11/05 05:11:13
- Location: New Hampster
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 2
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/26 05:29:09
(permalink)
Yes, of course it's a flop. It's the equivalent to a modern day Virtual Boy. Nobody wants to play games on a tiny little screen when they have that fully capable gaming system streaming right nearby. It's filling a void that nobody asked for or wants.
Gaming Rig:Corsair Vegeance C70, Swiftech H220, Intel i7-3770K @ 4.5GHz (1.24V), Asus Sabertooth Z77, Corsair AX860, 16GB Corsair Vegeance DDR3-1600 CL9 1.35V, EVGA GTX 670 FTW, SanDisk Extreme 240GB SSD, Dell 2408WFP, Corsair K70 Cherry Red, Corsair M65, Logitech Z-5500 5.1 Steambox/HTPC: Lian Li PC-Q01A, AMD A10-7800, ASRock FM2A88X-ITX, Seasonic ST30SF, 8GB Samsung DDR3-1600 @ 1866, Samsung 840 Evo 250GB MSATA SSD Affiliate Code: KKDMX98FNV
|
xeonotrix
New Member
- Total Posts : 56
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2012/03/09 18:06:58
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 0
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/26 06:09:05
(permalink)
Yes is a flop, never got it and never will.
 Computer Specs: Windows 10 Professional Version 1809 Build # 17763.134 CPU Amd Ryzen 5 2600 @ 3.40 GHz Corsair 16 GB ddr4 Ram @ 2990 MhZ EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 XC ULTRA GAMING Drivers: 418.91 WHQL Motherboard: Asus TUF X470-PLUS GAMING PSU:EVGA 850 GQ, 80+ GOLD 850W, Semi Modular, EVGA ECO
|
ARMYguy
FTW Member
- Total Posts : 1050
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2005/06/23 12:06:19
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 0
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/26 06:51:16
(permalink)
I thought the point of the shield was to have an android gaming device that has actual buttons built in. I have a ton of emulators on my smart phone but no way to use buttons on it, so playing all of the emulated games are next to impossible on it. You can use a PS3 controller if you rooted your phone, which i have not. That is why the shield makes sense.
Asus Strix Z790 F - Intel 13700 K - Gigabyte 4090 Windforce - 32gb DDR 5 - 1TB Samsung SSD 850 evo - Windows 10 Pro - 1TB Samsung M.2 860 - Inland 2 TB NVMe - Acer Predator X27
|
MSim
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 14686
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2005/05/22 23:13:30
- Location: Earth
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 38
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/26 08:01:50
(permalink)
You should be able to pair a PS3 controller to newer android phones. I see lots of videos on youtube about it.
|
MmmmmisterCrow
FTW Member
- Total Posts : 1655
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2005/12/02 08:18:43
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 13
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/26 08:59:32
(permalink)
Wow, there's a lot of misinformation and conjecture in this thread. I bought one myself and love it. I think the issue is it's just very niche.
The device appeals to someone like myself; I like to play games in the few spare hours I have each night, but still spend time with my wife who does not. I can sit on the couch downstairs and play just about anything that is not FPS (personal preference). Lately I've been playing Bastion again which works amazing on it.
Also it's hardly just a streaming device. It's an Android device, larger than a phone but smaller than a tablet. But again, it appeals to a niche crowd with the built in controller. Any Android game works on it. Touch screen games still work fine but they're a little awkward. And emulators are amazing since you can map all the buttons to screen presses. The Shield is my preferred device for long plane trips.
It also has a use for Steam Big Picture streaming. You don't need to hook up your PC to your HDTV, you can just set the Shield to "console mode" and stream 1080p/60Hz and pair a bluetooth controller to it (Dual Shocks apparently work though I've never tried it).
|
Brad_Hawthorne
Insert Custom Title Here
- Total Posts : 23174
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2004/06/06 16:13:06
- Location: Dazed & Confused
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 39
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/26 14:11:09
(permalink)
The problem with Shield is it's too specific purposed of a device. It has the stigma of only being a gaming device and not just another android hand held. Instead of it's target audience working to benifit it, it's marginalizing it. The form factor is also problematic. It's not something people are going to put into their pockets. Nvidia marketing has not properly sold the consumer on the reason why they should want a device in that form factor. I wouldn't say the Shield itself was a flop, but rather how Nvidia is marketing it is a flop.
post edited by Brad_Hawthorne - 2014/03/26 14:17:18
|
MSim
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 14686
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2005/05/22 23:13:30
- Location: Earth
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 38
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/27 00:33:18
(permalink)
When a product is unsuccessful that usually means it's a flop. When Nvidia drops the price by $150 in under 9 months and the niche crowd still ignores the product. I would say the niche crowd Nvidia targeted has spoken.
|
ManBearPig
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 6130
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/10/31 12:02:13
- Location: Imaginationland
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 20
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/27 08:19:55
(permalink)
I personally like the idea of the shield, I am just waiting on Shield 2 with a better screen and the new Tegra chip.
|
Killmur
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 5311
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/12/17 23:32:46
- Location: Arizona
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 7
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/27 08:56:20
(permalink)
I don't think it's a flop. It's still going since it's got a ACTUAL company behind it unlike the Ouya which has unfortunately turned into a flop. Both due to not having any real company to back the product plus it wasn't marketed properly. I think the only real reason Nvidia is dropping price is to match the PS4, Xbox One and Wii U prices.
|
MSim
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 14686
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2005/05/22 23:13:30
- Location: Earth
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 38
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/28 03:58:56
(permalink)
Killmur
I don't think it's a flop. It's still going since it's got a ACTUAL company behind it unlike the Ouya which has unfortunately turned into a flop. Both due to not having any real company to back the product plus it wasn't marketed properly. I think the only real reason Nvidia is dropping price is to match the PS4, Xbox One and Wii U prices.
The Shield in a different market. It can't compete with a gaming console.
|
Static_FX
Superclocked Member
- Total Posts : 134
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2014/03/04 17:04:42
- Location: Rochester, NY
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 0
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/28 05:02:01
(permalink)
Wait.. shield needs a pc to stream the game to it?? lol.. i really havent followed it much.. thought it would stream the games over a Wifi (on its own...) and that the servers took care of the processing. Wait!?? the "server" is your PC? lol um no... that makes the shield pretty much a waste of money in my opinion.
Not to mention its an ugly looking device
|
Brad_Hawthorne
Insert Custom Title Here
- Total Posts : 23174
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2004/06/06 16:13:06
- Location: Dazed & Confused
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 39
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/28 05:02:56
(permalink)
Killmur
I don't think it's a flop. It's still going since it's got a ACTUAL company behind it unlike the Ouya which has unfortunately turned into a flop. Both due to not having any real company to back the product plus it wasn't marketed properly. I think the only real reason Nvidia is dropping price is to match the PS4, Xbox One and Wii U prices.
Both die of target audience and marketing confusion.
|
MSim
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 14686
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2005/05/22 23:13:30
- Location: Earth
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 38
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/28 05:43:51
(permalink)
Static_FX
Wait.. shield needs a pc to stream the game to it?? lol.. i really havent followed it much.. thought it would stream the games over a Wifi (on its own...) and that the servers took care of the processing. Wait!?? the "server" is your PC? lol um no... that makes the shield pretty much a waste of money in my opinion.
Not to mention its an ugly looking device
Requires a PC if you want to stream a PC games and a 5 GHz wireless router. If you don't have a 5Ghz wireless router you will be looking at $100-200+ price tag for one.
|
MmmmmisterCrow
FTW Member
- Total Posts : 1655
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2005/12/02 08:18:43
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 13
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/28 08:50:50
(permalink)
Static_FX
Wait.. shield needs a pc to stream the game to it?? lol.. i really havent followed it much.. thought it would stream the games over a Wifi (on its own...) and that the servers took care of the processing. Wait!?? the "server" is your PC? lol um no... that makes the shield pretty much a waste of money in my opinion.
Not to mention its an ugly looking device
Ya that was called OnLive, and it was a colossal flop compared to the Shield.
|
zildjian75
FTW Member
- Total Posts : 1261
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/04/03 16:47:53
- Location: Chas, SC
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 1
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/28 10:42:39
(permalink)
I have actually considered getting one. I think it would be nice to be able to stream my games to it. But I have heard there are issues with the streaming. At this point, I think I will just wait for the next iteration of it. How we'll does the streaming from a PC work? Can I play diablo 3 on it? Diablo doesn't work with a 360 controller on the PC, so how does it work on the shield?? To many questions and not enough answers to pull the trigger on getting one yet.
"The wise know their weakness too well to assume infallibility; and he who knows most, knows best how little he knows." Thomas Jefferson RIG#1 (Home) - i7 4790k @ 4.4ghz w/ CM V8 GTS - EVGA Z97 Classified - Win10 64bit - Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2x8GB) @ 2133mhz - 2 x EVGA GTX 980SC in SLI - Corsair AX850 - 250GB Samsung Evo (main) - 500GB Samsung Evo (games) - 1TB WD Black (misc) - Aerocool Strike-X (Cheesy... But effective!)
|
Cameron1234
FTW Member
- Total Posts : 1232
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2011/03/12 18:21:11
- Status: offline
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/28 11:36:11
(permalink)
I have to say I bought one and I use it a lot when I get off work because my pc is in the basement and my room is upstairs and I just want to lay down and relax. And I have to say I have played call of duty:Ghosts and it was decent, I also played dirt3, skyrim, and bioshock and they all stream perfectly:) Not to mention I have a gtx 580 so I have to use the streamer app but still its awesome being able to be away from the computer and play games. Also the nvidia grid project is pretty cool.
|
eikast
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 708
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/08/05 23:35:48
- Location: California
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 0
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/28 17:16:54
(permalink)
Here's my view on it. When I want to play a PC game, I chose to play on my PC because I like the extra power, more pixels (2560x1440) and amazing graphics on that 27" display. If I stream with the Shield I'll worry about lag (due to network), the game won't look as gorgeous (sorry but 1440P > new 1080P update). Not to mention the fact that I DON'T play FPS with a controller on my PC. Plus, my wife can't use the computer while I stream so it's not like it's being convenient for either of us.
A vita makes more sense to me. I can play vita exclusive games or play classic games on the go (or just general gaming on the go). Sure the screen isn't as pretty but it's really portable. Plus I can stream from my PS4 while the wife watches tv.
If Nvidia partnered with idk say Samsung to release a phone that can be fitted into a special casing to turn it into a shield then we'd be talking. Because then it wouldn't just be that niche experience but it would also be a very powerful phone (when shield was released).
http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=70164 i5 3570K @ 4.5 GHz 1.28V eVGA Titan X SC 1380 MhZ boost core clock. Switech MCR140-X Drive EK Titan X waterblock 16 GB G.Skill 1600 MHz MSI Z77a-gd55 Samsung 1TB 840 SSD 1TB 7200 RPM HDD Logitech G502 Sennheiser PC 350 SE Razer BlackWidow Ultimate (Battlefield 4 edition) Razer Destructor 2 (Battlefield 4 edition) Asus Xonar Essence Stx Acer XB280HK
|
chrisdglong
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 7220
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/11/08 15:21:25
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 7
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/03/28 20:05:39
(permalink)
Not a flop, but a niche for sure. I like what it does for sure, but I hardly use it because I only play games at home.
|
sk2play 
CLASSIFIED Member
- Total Posts : 4437
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/07/12 15:19:13
- Location: Westminster, CO
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 8
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/04/03 21:04:17
(permalink)
If the $200 Nvidia Shield could play android games and other emulators without the PC, it would be worth my look. Since it can't, it is not really a portable device. Maybe good sitting on the can taking a dump  With the $200 Vita Bundle and $175 3DSxl bundle pushing the market, my head tells me the Shield is a flop. It is priced to high whereby the only incentive nVidia has to lower the price even further is to increase nVidia GPU sales. No game sale profits or royalties for the Shield.
post edited by sk2play - 2014/04/05 14:06:18
Corsair R500 Case, H110 Hydro, 1200AX PSU, Asus Maximus Hero VI MB, Intel 4770K CPU, Gigabyte GPU GV-N78TGHZ-3GD, G-Skill Trident 2400MHz 16GB, Crucial M500 960GB SSD, Seagate 2TB HDD x2, Creative SBz to Onkyo TX-DS676, Bose 201's, Klipsch Sub XW-300d, HP ZR30w 30" S-IPS LCD, W8.1
|
MmmmmisterCrow
FTW Member
- Total Posts : 1655
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2005/12/02 08:18:43
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 13
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/04/04 04:54:22
(permalink)
sk2play
If the $200 Nvidia Shield could play android games and other emulators without the PC, it would be worth my look. Since it can't, it is not really a portable device. Maybe good sitting on the can taking a dump
With the $200 Vita Bundle and $175 3DSxl bundle pushing the market, my head tells me the Shield is a flop. It is priced to high whereby the only incentive nVidia has to lower the price even further is to increase nVidia GPU sales. No game sale profits or royalties for the Shield.
Once again misinformation comes in large doses. Not only DOES it play Android games, but it will play any Google Play app including emulators. I played Road Rash 64 my last plane ride home. You can even map the buttons to screen presses, so emulators designed for smart phone touchscreens can be played on the controller.
|
Drazhar
CLASSIFIED Member
- Total Posts : 2370
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/12/07 02:14:51
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 4
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/04/04 08:10:22
(permalink)
MmmmmisterCrow
sk2play
If the $200 Nvidia Shield could play android games and other emulators without the PC, it would be worth my look. Since it can't, it is not really a portable device. Maybe good sitting on the can taking a dump
With the $200 Vita Bundle and $175 3DSxl bundle pushing the market, my head tells me the Shield is a flop. It is priced to high whereby the only incentive nVidia has to lower the price even further is to increase nVidia GPU sales. No game sale profits or royalties for the Shield.
Once again misinformation comes in large doses. Not only DOES it play Android games, but it will play any Google Play app including emulators. You can even map the buttons to screen presses, so emulators designed for smart phone touchscreens can be played on the controller.
This is pretty much the entire point of Shield IMO, I'm just waiting for that inevitable Shield 2. If it comes with Logan they've got a sale to me. Though I'd love to see NVIDIA team up with Nintendo for the successor to the 3DS...
|
garnetandblack
FTW Member
- Total Posts : 1700
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/06/21 11:34:51
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 13
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/04/04 08:11:55
(permalink)
I enjoy mine - but I think when the new software update comes out offering remote streaming it will be much more suited to taking on trips. I like it though - really good piece of hardware. And yes, it runs android apps as well...
"My mother always told me someday you'll be good at somethin'. Who'd have guessed that somethin' would be zombie killin'?"
|
sk2play
CLASSIFIED Member
- Total Posts : 4437
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/07/12 15:19:13
- Location: Westminster, CO
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 8
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/04/04 16:17:34
(permalink)
I never stated it doesn't run Android apps. I stated it doesn't run them independently from another source. 
post edited by sk2play - 2014/04/05 12:28:51
Corsair R500 Case, H110 Hydro, 1200AX PSU, Asus Maximus Hero VI MB, Intel 4770K CPU, Gigabyte GPU GV-N78TGHZ-3GD, G-Skill Trident 2400MHz 16GB, Crucial M500 960GB SSD, Seagate 2TB HDD x2, Creative SBz to Onkyo TX-DS676, Bose 201's, Klipsch Sub XW-300d, HP ZR30w 30" S-IPS LCD, W8.1
|
MmmmmisterCrow
FTW Member
- Total Posts : 1655
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2005/12/02 08:18:43
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 13
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/04/04 21:54:23
(permalink)
sk2play
If the $200 Nvidia Shield could play android games and other emulators without the PC, it would be worth my look. Since it can't, it is not really a portable device. Maybe good sitting on the can taking a dump
With the $200 Vita Bundle and $175 3DSxl bundle pushing the market, my head tells me the Shield is a flop. It is priced to high whereby the only incentive nVidia has to lower the price even further is to increase nVidia GPU sales. No game sale profits or royalties for the Shield.
I'm not sure what you mean by "independently from another source"... you download Android apps/games like any other Android device and it's completely portable. The above statement is 100% wrong.
|
sk2play
CLASSIFIED Member
- Total Posts : 4437
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/07/12 15:19:13
- Location: Westminster, CO
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 8
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/04/05 12:28:34
(permalink)
Corsair R500 Case, H110 Hydro, 1200AX PSU, Asus Maximus Hero VI MB, Intel 4770K CPU, Gigabyte GPU GV-N78TGHZ-3GD, G-Skill Trident 2400MHz 16GB, Crucial M500 960GB SSD, Seagate 2TB HDD x2, Creative SBz to Onkyo TX-DS676, Bose 201's, Klipsch Sub XW-300d, HP ZR30w 30" S-IPS LCD, W8.1
|
MmmmmisterCrow
FTW Member
- Total Posts : 1655
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2005/12/02 08:18:43
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 13
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/04/05 18:52:11
(permalink)
But for the record, it does in fact make a good toilet companion.
|
geek32
CLASSIFIED Member
- Total Posts : 3167
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/10/02 15:06:04
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 9
Re: Is Nvidia SHIELD a FLOP?
2014/04/05 19:30:11
(permalink)
if only they make tegra-exclusive pc games like the one playstation vita did (ex: assassin's creed, need for speed and so on..) then that would be nice.
also, they need to re-design the shield... looks so ugly to me and bulky as well.
|