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Just for fun I set up a 780 Ti Classified and a 780 Ti Classified K|NGP|N Edition to identical settings, and ran 3DMark11 to see if there were any differences between the two, and the results are a bit surprising. First up is a stock clock comparison. The KPE boosted to 1202MHz stock, so I had to add a little bit of offset to get the regular Classy to match, and ended up at an even 1200MHz. 780 Ti Classified - 1200MHz @ 1.187V http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7925915 780 Ti Classified K|NGP|N Edition - 1202MHz @ 1.20V http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7898183 Next up is a 1306MHz comparison. 780 Ti Classified - 1306MHz @ 1.21V http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7930296 780 Ti Classified K|NGP|N Edition - 1306MHz @ 1.20V http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7898225 I wish I would have put the K|NGP|N on water before selling it, but I didn't so air results is all I have. Regardless, after seeing this I am quite happy that I sold the KPE in favor of a regular Classified. I should also note that the regular Classy ran cooler during the tests than the KPE did. The KPE averaged 68C max under load vs. 64C for the regular Classy. ASIC quality for the two gpu's was a 65.7% on the KPE and 68.1% on the Classy, if that matters to anyone.
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 14:52:55
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Not sure what this proves though and why you found it surprising. Since you ran both at the same clocks and essentially the same voltage, they theoretically are the same cards. If we ran the same test using a 780Ti reference versus a Classified and used the same clocks, I would expect to see essentially same results as well between the two. Stock versus stock though, you had to apply an offset to the Classy to match the KPE, so it theoretically the KPE would perform better stock, albeit probably marginal and negligible.
The differences will start to show once the cards are either run under water or LN2 and overclocked. The KPE should theoretically leave the standard Classy behind at that point.
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 15:10:44
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The differences will start to show once the cards are either run under water or LN2 and overclocked. The KPE should theoretically leave the standard Classy behind at that point.
Will it really??? Or is it overhyped nonsense to increase the demand. Some reason I doubt on water there will be any difference, can't say for ln2 but its prolly the same a good chips a good chip
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 15:49:32
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trabe3
The differences will start to show once the cards are either run under water or LN2 and overclocked. The KPE should theoretically leave the standard Classy behind at that point.
Will it really??? Or is it overhyped nonsense to increase the demand. Some reason I doubt on water there will be any difference, can't say for ln2 but its prolly the same a good chips a good chip
I am just speculating, but you are probably right, even under water there might not be much difference. I suspect on LN2 most definitely, or at least would hope so. The KPE was geared towards and is advertised as being for hardcore overclockers, especially running on LN2. So not sure why people are disappointed in the results as their expectations were clearly unrealistic, at least in my opinion.
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 15:54:16
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Both cards have the same GPU so they should have the same performance clock for clock. Don't go by subtle changes in 3dmark- scores change slightly at the same settings with multiple runs. All the KPE does is have the ability to go further due to a combination of factors including a better binned GPU.
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 15:57:56
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Binning? what, when, where . evga's definition of binning " chips run at advertised speed"
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 17:46:44
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Not sure what this proves though and why you found it surprising.
It doesn't prove anything, it was just an observation and a little bit of data for anyone NOT planning on using LN2, and is on the fence as to which card they should buy..........that's all. There are actually people with regular Classifieds selling their cards for a major loss to get one of these KPE's, and maybe this will save someone a lot of money by seeing this. As crazy as it may be, there's a decent amount of people actually only planning on running the KPE on air, so this may benefit those people. And as far as the KPE being better on water, I don't think so. There are people over on ocn getting clocks in the 1500's with regular Classifieds on water. Not saying this is the norm because it most certainly isn't, but it all comes down to the lottery and nothing more.
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 17:58:12
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Ti Classified have better score for 20 points because 8MHz higher clock... :) What you expect...same chip is inside they can't change nature of chip with few improvement of card... It's not lot of money it's 45e more if you buy and backplate for Kingpin you have installed... OK I support everybody who want to save money because both cards are really excellent...With this series 7xx Classified EVGA really dominate over other brands. I only don't understand saving money on reference model and overprice Classified with Accelero for 10 months, if someone have to pay Classified series or complain if card give similar results as SC model... Because if I don't need to look clock every time when load game and it's fabric overclocked and colder that's enough for price difference... Nothing what I saw can't compare with look of 2xGTX7xx Classified in SLI in case... Even best reference models not look so nice.
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 18:33:26
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Ti Classified have better score for 20 points because 8MHz higher clock... :)
Actually, the stock runs had the regular Classy at 1200 and the KPE at 1202. The second run had them both exactly at 1306. Again, this was just to point out that there is no difference between the two cards unless you run LN2. By the way, the Ti Classified I am playing with right now seems to be finally hitting it's water cooled oc limit with 1450MHz @ 1.40V. How does this compare to you KPE guys? If the majority of the KPE owners (on water) are getting much higher clocks at this voltage, then we definitely have a reason to buy the KPE instead.
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 18:40:07
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Binning? what, when, where . evga's definition of binning " chips run at advertised speed"
EVGA did bin these, to make sure they would work best on LN2. As far as anywhere else, one can't really say it was done for air.
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 18:40:31
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I don't know why people are all hot and bothered about this stuff I run my KingPin on air and it's still great I also didn't already have a classified I'm sure both cards are amazing but the KPE is for LN2 as Vince said other than that, it looks different I'm happy with my purchase and it blows away most single GPU PCs in 3DMark Firestrike even on air I'm happy, but you guys should do what you want with your money to make you happy If you want a Classified, get one, if you want the KPE, get one I'm sure you'll be happy with whichever you decide on They're great cards 
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 18:40:32
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Many who may be buying the KPE may just want something with custom styling along with the pride of owning a limited edition piece of hardware that is built to OC from the ground up.
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 18:51:05
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The reason I want it is the +25 dip switches and the safety lock, other than that, as long as my Ti Classifieds work well, which I still haven't been able to test, I will be happy. I am using water, so the beauty of K|ngp|ns updated shroud would be null and void.
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 19:23:36
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The reason I want it is the +25 dip switches and the safety lock, other than that, as long as my Ti Classifieds work well, which I still haven't been able to test, I will be happy. I am using water, so the beauty of K|ngp|ns updated shroud would be null and void.
Put those Classifieds on water, and install skyn3t's BIOS on them, and they will scream, no need for the voltage dip switches. As noted above, I'm at 1450MHz with mine so far, and still under 40C under full load. I think with a little more tweaking, I'll be at 1500MHz in no time.
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/05 21:22:11
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They are already going under watering. much radiator space as I can squeeze out of the case without going to an external radiator. Until I get the block for the CPU, I will be Running the cards under dual 280 radiators.
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Re: 780 Ti Classified vs. 780 Ti K|NGP|N clock for clock comparison
2014/02/06 10:39:36
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Not sure what this proves though and why you found it surprising.
It doesn't prove anything, it was just an observation and a little bit of data for anyone NOT planning on using LN2, and is on the fence as to which card they should buy..........that's all. There are actually people with regular Classifieds selling their cards for a major loss to get one of these KPE's, and maybe this will save someone a lot of money by seeing this. As crazy as it may be, there's a decent amount of people actually only planning on running the KPE on air, so this may benefit those people.
And as far as the KPE being better on water, I don't think so. There are people over on ocn getting clocks in the 1500's with regular Classifieds on water. Not saying this is the norm because it most certainly isn't, but it all comes down to the lottery and nothing more.
I didn't mean to come off harsh or anything if that is how my post was construed. I applaud the effort and initiative to do the testing and presenting your results. 
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