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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/05 17:56:27 (permalink)
re-tested it with one GTX 780 on. i also add the +38v.
your right. my 780 doesn't do 1.2v either. my second GPU didn't even came above 1.162v even while having the +38v add to it.
 


 
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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/05 18:03:50 (permalink)
Yeah, that's exactly the problem. No clue why some cards are like that when it's obvious that it isn't to do with the quality of the chip. I can do 1150mhz without any overvoltage, so obviously my chip isn't bad. Yet I'm capped at 1187mv. And then there are other cards capped even lower, like with no overvoltage at all. Makes no sense.

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/05 18:14:43 (permalink)
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Yeah, that's exactly the problem. No clue why some cards are like that when it's obvious that it isn't to do with the quality of the chip. I can do 1150mhz without any overvoltage, so obviously my chip isn't bad. Yet I'm capped at 1187mv. And then there are other cards capped even lower, like with no overvoltage at all. Makes no sense.

 
exactly. my first GTX 780 OC like a champ. i was getting +170 on core clock and 350 on the memory.
my second GPU is a little bit lower. +150 on core clock and only 250 on the memory, or else i start to see artifacts if i push them beyond it.

 
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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/05 23:04:22 (permalink)
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Yeah, that's exactly the problem. No clue why some cards are like that when it's obvious that it isn't to do with the quality of the chip. I can do 1150mhz without any overvoltage, so obviously my chip isn't bad. Yet I'm capped at 1187mv. And then there are other cards capped even lower, like with no overvoltage at all. Makes no sense.

 
  Despite being told by multiple people in the thread, including an eVGA employee, you still want to pretend this is something other than silicon lottery
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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/05 23:16:15 (permalink)
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This is getting to be borderline pathetic man. Despite being told by multiple people in the thread, including an eVGA employee, you still want to pretend this is something other than silicon lottery just for the sake of whining?

 
People have already confirmed flashing a custom BIOS allows them to run the higher voltage AND clock speeds with no stability issues.
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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/05 23:25:05 (permalink)
The custom BIOs overwrite GPU Boost 2.0.. which is irrelevant. I can flash custom BIOs right now and run 1.5v through my chip. If it ran stable, does that magically make my chip a better quality than what GPU Boost says it is? Of course not, GPU Boost does what it does for a reason.
 

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/06 04:33:22 (permalink)
OK everyone, please keep to the original subject of the OP rather than in thread arguments. If this continues we'll lock down this thread.

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/06 07:34:46 (permalink)
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The custom BIOs overwrite GPU Boost 2.0.. which is irrelevant. I can flash custom BIOs right now and run 1.5v through my chip. 

 
So it is the GPU Boost 2.0 aspect of the bios which is limiting the voltage on each card, do you think?

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/06 08:16:44 (permalink)
I'm sure you guys (all being Hardware Enthusiasts that build your own Gaming PC's...like myself), understand that CPU / GPU VID varie from chip to chip, your talking in the decimal of a mv level, makes total sense to me why "some" chips would Overvolt slightly higher (again, at the decimal of mv level), then other chips and I would have to concur that this is indeed part of the Silicon Lottery.......first thing many of us do with our CPU's is check the VID (lower is better)......then proceed to stability test at higher voltages.
Anyhow, I personally wouldnt be concerned with some GPU's ability to Overvolt slightly more than others, this has been accepted as "Silicon Lottery" (call it what you like) for years......provided your GPU's are working well, dont sweat it and game on ;)

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/06 11:13:57 (permalink)
GPU Boost being disabled is irrelevant. What matters is the core clock speed and the voltage. And since both are the same with custom BIOS without GPU Boost as they are with a stock BIOS with GPU Boost, one can conclude that it's not that the core is unstable at these settings, it's that for whatever odd reason these cards were locked at low caps.
 
Did you guys get that? The card is stable at what GPU Boost should be setting it to at 1200mv. Aka - NOT a matter of better quality dies.  This has also been shown as people with much lower ASIC quality cards can run the higher voltage just fine, while people with very high ASIC quality can't. There's no correlation here whatsoever and the fact that cards previously locked to 1187mv + whatever clock speed, are now stable at HIGHER clock speeds with 1200mv proves that it isn't this stupid silicon lottery game.

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/06 11:15:59 (permalink)
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So it is the GPU Boost 2.0 aspect of the bios which is limiting the voltage on each card, do you think?

 
I think so, but what causes the bios to "know" that the voltage should be limited- does it detect poorer silicon and adjust accordingly? If the card is capable of steady 1.2mv w/ modded bios, why the throttle by the stock bios? Why indeed....
 
If your card for example only gets to 1.161mv and never runs at the advertised "boost" clock then there is reason for concern. If your gpu clocks at say at 1150 mhz while only using 1.187mv, as mine does, it runs as advertised and then some, and actually needs less power to do it. Which is a win in my opinion. I was bothered by this before but am well over it. If it bothers you that much just do some research and at your own risk run a modded bios that eliminates GPU boost entirely. End thread. If you do your homework first it is easy as pie and you won't brick anything. I will say it was refreshing when I tried it briefly before to be rid of all the "offset" and "boost" nonsense and back to classic overclocking.
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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/06 11:33:43 (permalink)
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So it is the GPU Boost 2.0 aspect of the bios which is limiting the voltage on each card, do you think?


I think so, but what causes the bios to "know" that the voltage should be limited- does it detect poorer silicon and adjust accordingly? If the card is capable of steady 1.2mv w/ modded bios, why the throttle by the stock bios? Why indeed....

If your card for example only gets to 1.161mv and never runs at the advertised "boost" clock then there is reason for concern. If your gpu clocks at say at 1150 mhz while only using 1.187mv, as mine does, it runs as advertised and then some, and actually needs less power to do it. Which is a win in my opinion. I was bothered by this before but am well over it. If it bothers you that much just do some research and at your own risk run a modded bios that eliminates GPU boost entirely. End thread. If you do your homework first it is easy as pie and you won't brick anything. I will say it was refreshing when I tried it briefly before to be rid of all the "offset" and "boost" nonsense and back to classic overclocking.

 
Definitely man. I thank you for trying it and confirming for us that it all works well. Since I've started "green gaming" and by that I mean being power and heat conscience, I actually enjoy GPU Boost because it keeps my card underclocked to only perform at the level I demand of it which is 60 fps constant. If it has to work harder to maintain it, it will overclock. If it is a light load and easy to hold that 60 then it underclocks. As much as I like the simplicity of the old school overclocking fashion, not a fan of running my card at 1200mv constant when my card is only seeing 15% utilization. That's really the only reason I'm making a big stink over this is it should be available no matter the condition of your card. You're telling the card to run +38mv, it should run +38mv.  Not cap out at +25 behind the scenes and never inform you of it.
 
I still wish someone would post their BIOS dump of a reference 780 that can do 1200mv so we can put this whole thing to rest =/

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/06 12:05:51 (permalink)
@Darkl3ad3r
 
Just want to say this thread has been a very interesting read since I myself own X2 EVGA GTX780 Superclocked ACX cards and I appreciate any information that is posted about hardware I own regardless of relevance. I myself have an ASCI score off 63% and 64.3% but have no problem getting 1.2v. The max overclock I can get on the core is +50 @ 1150Mhz (+38v) but I'm happy with this since my ram can get +350Mhz and so does make up for it. 
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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/06 12:20:44 (permalink)
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I still wish someone would post their BIOS dump of a reference 780 that can do 1200mv so we can put this whole thing to rest =/

 
The fact that you think the BIOs are going to be different shows how lost you are. Heck, eVGA already provided us with updated BIOs in this thread. There's not a "1187" version and a "1200" version. They're going to be exactly the same for each card, I promise you.
 
As for GPU Boost, I'll try my best to explain it yet again. Your settings are dictated by multiple factors such as thermals, TDP, GPU utilization, memory utilization, etc. It doesn't necessarily have to be "this card will crash with 1.2V so I'm not going to let it" like you for some reason think. It could be anything, it could be "this card will exceed TDP specifications if it pulls 1.2v". You say disabling GPU Boost doesn't matter because the card is running with your new settings, but that doesn't mean its not extremely relevant to the silicon lottery that you want to shun.


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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/06 12:21:33 (permalink)
Another "Evga Epic thread" ;) ......all over a Delta of 13mv..wow !!!
Wonder how long before we'll be no longer able to monitor Voltage....seeing as how OV is pretty much gone over the st 2 Gens!!

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/06 14:54:03 (permalink)
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Just want to say this thread has been a very interesting read since I myself own X2 EVGA GTX780 Superclocked ACX cards and I appreciate any information that is posted about hardware I own regardless of relevance. I myself have an ASCI score off 63% and 64.3% but have no problem getting 1.2v. The max overclock I can get on the core is +50 @ 1150Mhz (+38v) but I'm happy with this since my ram can get +350Mhz and so does make up for it. 

 
You're very welcome and thank you for posting your information with your cards as well. That little bit of info goes a long way in proving certain theories to be false.

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/06 16:30:21 (permalink)
Got my ACX 780 today and couldn't be happier! Things are looking good so far and she boosts over 1100 out of the box and will allow 1200mv just fine. Who wants my BIOS? 

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/06 19:32:59 (permalink)
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Got my ACX 780 today and couldn't be happier! Things are looking good so far and she boosts over 1100 out of the box and will allow 1200mv just fine. Who wants my BIOS? 

 
Glad to hear your cards running like a champ. I appreciate your enthusiasm but unfortunately an ACX BIOS dump won't be a good idea for reference cards. Different fan RPM per % so no go :( thank you for offering though. Perhaps some ACX users with an 1187/1172mv cap would appreciate it though.

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/07 06:47:29 (permalink)
My speculation/thoughts are so:
 
1. I don't believe the bios are different for each card. I believe that if that was the case, the flashes Jacob posted would all have the same issue(that's the BIOS I'm running).
 
2. I do suspect that either the BIOS has an algorithm built in that determines the voltage it will put the the card based on a number of technical factors, OR some physical pipe on the card is limiting the end voltage received(or the voltage that is being monitored) by the card even though the same actual voltage amounts are being applied thru Precision.
 
So for example, GPU-Z is able to look at the card and determine a score(which might be arbitrarily listed or based on a test I'm not sure). The bios perhaps, do the same. Puts voltage thru the card and says "only put this amount of volts thru in real time." I believe the bios are more simple than this however.
 
More likely there are plateaus in voltage monitoring. The voltage in each card is probably constantly fluctuating very minutely and we are only getting estimated reports. So when one card has higher impedance(or some other factor) between the controlled power and monitored application of that power, then the reported mv is lower despite the same power being applied.
 
With a 3rd party bios, perhaps it bases its voltage params on the back end, or reporting side of things and ramps up the voltage based off reported figures, or(I'm not sure those with 3rd party bios have to do this) the 3rd party bios are capable of reaching higher mv, but they also have to apply more mv to reach the same reported levels.
 
Just speculation though, no scientific evidence yet.

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/07 06:51:28 (permalink)
Do we have voltage test points on the card? Would be interesting to see actual voltages between the 2 variances. It may be the same.

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/07 06:57:37 (permalink)
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Do we have voltage test points on the card? Would be interesting to see actual voltages between the 2 variances. It may be the same.

 
Yes, very interesting. People are under the wrong impression about this thread I think. It is not about complaints over silicone lottery(my card is fine @ 1187mv, wouldn't trade it for another), but rather understanding specifics of voltage reporting variances between cards with reportedly identical voltage application. Simplified explanation is fine, but a more complex explanation is interesting and worth discussion.

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/07 10:50:45 (permalink)

 
So after doing some test I don't have to use the over-voltage feature as the card hits 1.2 by itself. 
 
Game and Bench stable ATM at 1215mhz.  Gonna push it a bit more on the core clock to see if I can get 1225~1250 stable.

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/18 04:28:53 (permalink)
I did the +38, GPU Clock Offset +120, and Memory Clock Offset +175 and mine won't go over 1161 voltage could this be why Ice Storm benchmark from 3D marks makes my pc power off? 

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/18 04:55:29 (permalink)
Received my two reference 780s yesterday. Both hit 1.2 with the voltage boost. 1.6 without. Both overclock in sli to 1200.

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/06/20 17:11:02 (permalink)
Hi, I also have a GTX 780 ACX SC which I have overlocked to
GPU: 1057 MHz
Memory: 1764 MHz
If I adjust things much higher than this the card comes unstable and the driver crash ( Haven't had any problems with heat though)
 
I am not that good with overclocking but it runs stable at this.
I was wondering if I adjust the voltage as u guys are talking about could I clock the card even higher? And would it be safe to adjust the voltage?
 
 
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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/07/10 10:49:37 (permalink)
I got a refrence gtx 780, power set to 106% and overvoltage to +38, and iam getting 1.2v while gaming.
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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/07/11 06:34:59 (permalink)
Mine runs at +233 on the core and +505 on the memory. Happy with that :)
 
Not sure  what I get on +38, but I don't really care if it's 1187 or 1200 :)
 
I get 1597 on heaven and I'm quite pleased with that.
 
/edit I checked, it's 1200
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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/07/12 02:50:04 (permalink)
Mine reaches 1.2v too

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/07/12 04:26:51 (permalink)
@DaRkL3AD3R

Just ignore the whiners who are saying it's a lottery!
I had problems with my first batch which consisted out of 2x 780 SC ACX cards. The temperatures on the card where pretty lousy, as in very high (and because of that OC-ing wasn't going very well either), and people started to bash me.

In the end, knowing for a fact it wasn't not my airflow and it had to be a problem with the cards, I send back the cards to the webstore and purchased 2 new ones.

And guess what?! Temperatures were much lower on these 2 new cards! After playing with high overclocks they turned out to be 15 and 18 degrees cooler than the previous cards.

Bottom line; if you think or suspect something not being correct with your videocard(s) send them back to the store and get new ones, or if that doesn't work, just RMA them. And ingore the rest here who are bashing you.

I am still happy that I didn't listen to most people bashing me back then, otherwise I would still have 2 crappy cards. Oh well, didn't matter anyway, because I pre-ordered two Classifieds and two Lightnings as well now (just waiting to see which ones are delivered first and maybe cancel or sell the other two).

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Re:GTX 780 - 1187mv Max Voltage 2013/11/23 06:31:10 (permalink)
Acesi7
Really guys?

Let it go... Much like people who 'bench' cards. It's quite simple.

If this cards doesn't do what you want it to, sell it and buy another one. This close to release date you won't lose all that much money. On the next card you may very well get one that does what you want.

As far as RMA is concerned...
You want EVGA to take back a card that performs exactly as specified (Note: EVGA does not guarantee voltages) for clock speed, memory speed and would benchmark close to identically to every other card at stock?

I understand your disappointment, truly I do. However, this is not the right way to go about fixing it. Simply buy another card, sell this one and accept your losses. No-one is going to guarantee anything past being able to achieve what's printed on the box.

I'm buying some cards from EVGA when the Classified HC's come out and I hope they perform well, but if they don't. I'll simply order another one and put the 'under performer' on the FS section.

No need to go to such extremes for such a small issue, there will be many people out there who have no issues running a card at stock, you won't have any issues selling the card on.

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