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2013/02/24 20:59:46 (permalink)
What the heck is all this down sampling business I have been hearing about?!  So far from what I have read is that you can modify the refresh rate and resolution on your screen to get a much higher resolution!?   I was wondering how if anyone knows the methodology behind this.
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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/24 21:04:43 (permalink)

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/24 21:29:26 (permalink)
    whoa, mind blown!  Is everyone doing this and I am late to the chase?!
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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/24 21:42:34 (permalink)
    wow looks cool!!!
    you are not alone! i didn't know that yet!!
    gotta give it a try!!

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/24 21:46:41 (permalink)
    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=346325
     
    I don't know anyone here that uses it but me. I tried to get Im_hit to try it but his monitor wasn't playing nice. I use down sampling for 2560x1440 and sometimes 3200x1800 with my 1080p TV and I can do 60hz all the way up to about 3240x1822. If I want to do something crazy like 3840x2160 I need to lower my refresh rate to 53hz.

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/24 21:48:19 (permalink)
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    whoa, mind blown!  Is everyone doing this and I am late to the chase?!


    I doubt everyone is doing that. Also people who do that, do at their own risk. (Disclaimer)       ;)

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/24 21:57:36 (permalink)
    What is the risk involved? Does it burn out the monitor or something?  I am on an ASUS VG236H 3d monitor. From what I read I need to set my refresh to 60hz or less then try and downsample
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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/24 21:57:51 (permalink)
    Its pretty great. If a game doesn't have AA or if it just has some crappy ON/OFF button for AA. You can go into the resolution settings of the game and choose one of your custom resolutions like 2560x1440.
     
    Even for games that have great AA settings I still would recommend using down sampling instead. For games like Crysis 1 and Far Cry 3 which already have plenty of AA options. It definitely looks much better down sampled from 2560x1440 versus just using 1920x1080 with maxed AA.

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/24 22:04:28 (permalink)
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    What is the risk involved? Does it burn out the monitor or something?  I am on an ASUS VG236H 3d monitor. From what I read I need to set my refresh to 60hz or less then try and downsample

     
    Yes I think there might be a slight risk in damaging the monitor. I have not seen any reports of that happening though. For me the worst case scenario is you get stuck on a black screen or a completely distorted mess of colors and you have to reboot, hit F8 and choose "start windows in low resolution mode (640x480)"
     
    Im curious if you'd be able to do 2560x1440 and keep the 120hz. Since I can go all the way up to 3240x1822 at 60hz and my TV can only do 60hz max.

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/24 22:05:13 (permalink)
    gravedigger78

    What is the risk involved? Does it burn out the monitor or something?  I am on an ASUS VG236H 3d monitor. From what I read I need to set my refresh to 60hz or less then try and downsample


    There probably is no risk involved, but it still has to be said when messing with settings.
     
    Quote from the article:
     
    "Do this at your own risk, I've dabbled in downsampling for almost two years and I've never seen, read or heard anyone have "anything break" by using downsampling. Worst thing that has happened to me while doing it has been a freeze or two during the process. Hopefully it's easy enough to follow and should work for people with modern nvidia gpus and monitors. If it does feel free to share the settings that worked ( or those that didn't work for that matter ) along with your own setup. I won't take any responsibility for the tiny chance of your pc coming to life and strangling you while you sleep poltergeist style."              

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/24 22:10:48 (permalink)
    Just saw this also...
     
    120 Hz and 3D-gaming : due to current bandwidth limitations it isn't feasible to downsample down to a 1920x1080 resolution @ 120 Hz.
     
    So it is possible but probably wont be easy.
     
    also this...

    For some people using refresh rates that aren't 30 Hz or 60 Hz exact, the custom resolution won't show up ingame OR selecting the resolution in game will make it crash. 

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/24 22:18:24 (permalink)
    I tried it, but couldn't find a way to keep 120Hz. It may look nice, but nothing feels as nice as 120Hz. Even the most crisp image in the world couldn't get me to switch back to 60Hz.

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/24 22:23:28 (permalink)
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    I tried it, but couldn't find a way to keep 120Hz. It may look nice, but nothing feels as nice as 120Hz. Even the most crisp image in the world couldn't get me to switch back to 60Hz.

    try using manual timings and lower or raise the pixel clock by tweaking the horizontal and vertical total pixels. 

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 11:40:47 (permalink)
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    I tried it, but couldn't find a way to keep 120Hz. It may look nice, but nothing feels as nice as 120Hz. Even the most crisp image in the world couldn't get me to switch back to 60Hz.

    try using manual timings and lower or raise the pixel clock by tweaking the horizontal and vertical total pixels. 

    There's a maximum pixel clock that can be displayed through a DVI-D cable correct? Or at least a maximum pixel clock with the 600 series cards. Does anyone remember what that might be?

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 16:06:20 (permalink)
    It's limited at 400mhz for kepler SLI.
    http://120hz.net/content.php   scroll down
     
    Also check out this thread. http://120hz.net/showthre...uot-JUST-HAPPENED-quot
     
    There is a lot of good information and tweaks on 120hz.net
     
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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 16:48:53 (permalink)
    Just tried it with my ASUS VH226H. (21.5", 1080P). Very cool, gives me a lot of desktop real estate. Haven't tried a game yet, but this is really neat.
     
    3200x1800 59hz:

     
    2560x1440 60hz:

     
     
    1080P feels weird now.

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 17:33:33 (permalink)
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    Just tried it with my ASUS VH226H. (21.5", 1080P). Very cool, gives me a lot of desktop real estate. Haven't tried a game yet, but this is really neat.

    3200x1800 59hz:


    2560x1440 60hz:



    1080P feels weird now.

     
    You should be able to get 3200x1800 @ 60hz if you use manual timings. U need to raise the pixel clock to something just under 165mhz. For example... set total pixels horizontal to 2400 and vertical to 1145 and test 3200x1800 @ 60hz. Should work.

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 17:42:36 (permalink)
    Yep that worked, thanks!
     
     
    Here's the list of res's I made:
     
    3200x1800
    2880x1620 
    2560x1440
    2496x1404
    2304x1296
    2112x1188
     
    All work at 60hz. All are glorious for games. 
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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 17:55:25 (permalink)
    Here is my list.

     

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 17:57:13 (permalink)
    Nice! I wanted to see if I could get 4K, but it doesn't look like I can so far. Won't even work at 30hz.

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 18:02:22 (permalink)
    Here are my settings for 4KHD

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 18:05:03 (permalink)
    Holy crap that worked with those settings! Thanks again!

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 18:24:56 (permalink)
    Awesome!  Good luck running anything at that resolution though hehe.
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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 18:47:17 (permalink)
    Here are some screenshots...
    Far Cry 3 @ 3200x1800 
     
    And I just crashed the entire Imgur site trying to upload a 3840x2160 screenshot of Crysis 3 hehehe.
     
    edit... It finally accepted it! 
    Crysis 3 @ 3840x2160
     
    Crysis 3 @ 3840x2160 #2
     
    Crysis 3 @ 3840x2160 #3
     
    Crysis 3 @ 3840x2160 Proof
     
    Btw I get a whopping 9fps when using this resolution in Crysis 3 all maxed out. My Vram is pegged at 1.5GB
     
    edit 2... Looks like a couple of those screenshot didn't keep the 3840x2160 resolution when processed by imgur. Oh well.
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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 20:14:47 (permalink)
    Max Payne 3 @ 4KHD on high with 2x MSAA etc gets 30FPS roughly, 2560x1440 with same settings gets 60-70. Not bad for a single 580.

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 21:40:09 (permalink)
    Got up to 55hz at 3840x2160. I tried 56-60hz for a bit but could not get it.

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/02/25 22:00:56 (permalink)
    3840x2160 is just so high compared to 1920x1080 that it doesn't look any better than 3200x1800 on my TV. Even if a game runs great at 3840x2160. I'd still prefer running just 2560x1440 or 3200x1800. Anything higher than that doesn't look any better to me.
     
    I did just test out max payne 3 at 3840x2160/55hz and was able to keep a solid 55fps. I even was able to record a smooth 30fps video using afterburner. Processing it in vegas now and will upload it to Youtube for kicks since they actually support 4K resolution now. Still doesn't look as good as it should.

    post edited by OV3RCLK4 - 2013/02/25 23:17:38

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    Re:Down Sampling Monitors 2013/03/31 22:10:29 (permalink)
    So I thought I would chime back in here. I don't use this in Crysis 3 for two reasons. A) it already looks incredible. B) I don't have enough GPU power with a single 480/580.
     
    Here are the resolutions I have currently:

     
    In the mean time, here's some Battlefield 3 maxed out at 3K (3072x1728)
     




    post edited by Halo_003 - 2013/03/31 22:13:29

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