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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/31 14:04:52 (permalink)
I have three separate trains of thought in response:
  1. You don't have to convert anything with Celcius, the idea is to simply know what numbers are normal and what aren't.  Just ask around or Google those numbers, there isn't any thinking here.  
  2. Let's say you get what you want but at some point down the line you have a problem/concern and post a question about temperatures in Fahrenheit.  Are you asking us, which are mainly fellow customers who have been used to the metric way of doing it, to run through the formula conversions just to maintain your convenience?  That is what it comes down to; and most folks here don't like math, I would know (see my sig, third link).
  3. HWMonitor monitors your temps in both Celcius and Fahrenheit, download it and stop complaining about EVGA's Precision like they are the only ones doing it and you had no other choices.  Here's a screenshot of what you could see: 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/31 14:06:57 (permalink)
Your going to have a great time when you have a real hardware problem and have to deal with the CS(or lack of) other companies provide. You just returned a product from the company known for some of the best CS in the industry over a trivial, ridiculous complaint. You would have not seen a single reply from company reps elsewhere.

 
   
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/31 16:00:22 (permalink)
ROFL @ returning the card because the software doesn't support F readings. 
 
Good luck with MSI or whatever. Oh and enjoy Afterburner and it's F readings. Oh wait.. 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/11/02 03:48:29 (permalink)
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ROFL @ returning the card because the software doesn't support F readings. 

Good luck with MSI or whatever. Oh and enjoy Afterburner and it's F readings. Oh wait.. 

 
Not only Afterburner, also GPU Tweak from Asus is also Celsius-only. But if somebody really needs °F to be happy, so why not using...drum roll.... GPU Caps Viewer :-) http://www.geeks3d.com/20120927/gpu-caps-viewer-1-17-2-released/
That tool has also a lot more than only monitoring, there you get some more tools to test. Ok, it does not look soooooo cool like Precision/GPU Tweak/Afterburner/Trixx, but if for you needing of °F is more important than the look, than it's good solution :-)




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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2013/04/09 17:41:50 (permalink)
I prefer using Fahrenheit myself... so I use AIDA64 for my temperature monitoring... or simply using the Windows calculator to do some unit conversion, but I agree, it'd be nice to have an option to have temperatures displayed in Fahrenheit.
 
As for cars, our cars have both Imperial and Metric readings for the speedometer.
 
As for the bolts, etc. I'm not sure, but I do know my dad hates when he gets something that's in metric, because none of his tools at home are metric, he has to get his tools from his work, he's an aircraft mechanic and I guess the hardware in those are the metric system as well.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2013/04/09 18:03:32 (permalink)
You don't have to know the conversion math, you just need references and go from there.  I've been working with metric for more than the last ten years, but I can't tell you offhand what 30 Celsius is in Fahrenheit without the math.  But that doesn't matter as all I'd need to know are my room air average, my processor temps, the average for everyone else, and the upper limit max allowed-- unit of measurement doesn't matter whether Kelvin, Rankine, Fahrenheit, or Celsius.
 
If you were an engineer or technician that deal with equations and formulas, yes the math is a pain; but you're just reading values against what is expected, so the conversion math doesn't play a role at all.  Just get a reference and go with it.
post edited by lehpron - 2013/04/09 18:07:18

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For Intel processors, 0.123 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  This includes around 30% overhead, so it isn't minimum for operation.  TDP is not actual per CPU, it is a range for multiple processors to qualify for the same OEM cooler and power rating, and allows Intel to debut future processors in the same TDP.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2013/04/09 18:12:13 (permalink)
Well,  having grown up using Fahrenheit, Celsius still gives me trouble, I know 0°C is 32°F... but Fahrenheit still gives me a better impression of how hot or cold something is... because I'm used to Fahrenheit, despite using Celsius in science classes.
 
For example, my GPU temperature's max is 100°C... right now it's 47°C... which gives me an idea of what it is in relation to it's max... but in Fahrenheit I get a better sense of how hot it actually is, which at 47°C is 116.6°F... the max temperature is 100°C or 212°F.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2013/04/09 19:48:13 (permalink)
Darn foreign measurements,
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2013/04/09 22:31:24 (permalink)
no one uses Fahrenheit except us silly Americans.  I don't even use it with respects to PC cooling.  I hate the imperial system all together and wish they would just go with the metric system.  It makes so much more sense. But no, lets be different.   

 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2013/04/10 00:39:31 (permalink)
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So as far as I can tell, EVGA won't update their program for one or more of the following reasons: 

1. Too lazy. It is much easier to deflect the requests by saying Celsius is the "Industry Standard".
2. Too cheap. It is much cheaper to deflect the requests by saying Celsius is the "Industry Standard".
3. They don't care about their customers. Once you've purchased and installed your graphics card from them, they know that you are unlikely to return it. The touted EVGA Precision X information program has already done its job as far as EVGA is concerned. Who at EVGA cares if it actually works?

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I ONLY buy EVGA graphics cards.  I've had to return one...once.  It started artifacting a couple years after I bought it, used it daily for gaming.  Process was simple, straightforward and relatively painless due to employees at EVGA who DO care.
 
You can't expect us to believe you're not going to buy another EVGA card simply because it doesn't display temps in Fahrenheit, can you?  It's so simple YOU can convert it yourself if it's that detrimental to your well being!  I absolutely agree with the 'excuse' you were given, that some confusion may ensue if EVGA implemented 2 temperature scales in their monitoring program.  Given the lack of comprehension by more than a few (as witnessed in forums of any and all topics) people, they would see a number and disregard the following letter, thus incorrectly diagnosing a problem or creating one where there isn't.  
 
It's your loss, and a tiny bit on EVGA's part...as they lose a customer.  Hopefully, you'll rethink your decision and come back to one of, if not THE best graphics card companies currently in business.


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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2013/06/19 10:36:55 (permalink)
One button, one calculation, clearly it is called for. But perhaps you commies think converting the world to the metric system will occur one video card at a time if you just stubbornly refuse to be amenable. I'll tell you the future of your metric system... its not american... it will be conquered, defialed and converted to the proper american way. Real numbers that mean something. 100 is too hot for anything, 50 a nice middle number, 0 is too cold for anything. what the fahrenheit is 26c to me.. nothing, it means absolutely nothing.
 
Otherwise fine work, your deaths will be quick and painless.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2013/06/19 11:15:21 (permalink)
Wait what's the conversion rate from C to F anyway?
 
Reason I'm even bothering to post: I don't understand the problem. At first I hated metric system because I didn't know every other country uses it, but, I learned shortly after that America is the only one that uses imperial, now I hate it. Although it is funny when I tell my friend in Germany it's 90 outside and he asks how I am still alive. LOL.

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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2013/06/19 17:39:35 (permalink)
C to F - Multiply by 9, divide by 5, then add 32
F to C - Deduct 32, then multiply by 5, then divide by 9
 
C is the most logical. 0 is freezing, 100 is boiling. 
F - 32 is freezing and 212 is boiling 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2013/06/21 23:08:53 (permalink)
Alright, that's it, I'm going to return my vid cards too until all of these scales are implemented:
-Fahrenheit
-Rankine
-Delisle
-Réaumur
-Rømer, and
-Kelvin
Furthermore, I will not watch any weather forecasts because I'm really used to seeing the weather in Rømer degrees. What's wrong with this world discriminating the Rømer scale, huh?
 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2013/07/21 20:56:59 (permalink)
You know, I personally want the Fahrenheit option. Know why? Because the fan in my room displays the temperature in Fahrenheit. I like to know how much hotter my system is running than it's surroundings. I do still use Celsius on a regular basis, primarily when gaming with my friends from around the world, but I still prefer to have the option to change settings, which I am disappointed to say that EVGA Precision X is the only piece of software that lacks that basic feature.
 
But one thing... Why do you keep saying that Celsius is the standard that engineers use? I've been working in Chemical Engineering and Particle Physics for 4 and 7 years, respectively, and we've always used Kelvin. It's the only scale that makes sense... 0 degrees is TRULY cold.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2013/07/22 12:43:44 (permalink)
Is this serious? If you are honestly this dull to not be able to recognize temperatures in celsius and are making such a fuss over an INDUSTRY STANDARD, you need to re-evaluate your thought process. 
 
Honestly, how hard is it to take your celsius value, input it to google, and then find out the Fahrenheit value? If you're claiming it is such an easy thing to do, why not do it yourself? 


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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2013/07/22 13:34:05 (permalink)
Celcius is the computer industry standard. It doesn't make sense to muddy the waters and encourage users to use anything other than celcius.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2014/02/04 02:49:24 (permalink)
If you run Windows 7 there are a couple neat free gadgets you can download that allow you to monitor your video card temperatures, fan speeds, voltages, clocks, etc. You can't change anything with them- only monitor things. They do show temperature in either F or C and every other measurable aspect of the board(s) can be selected/deselected for monitoring by simple check boxes. They display in a small window you can choose to keep on top of whatever you have open. You can have multiple installs if you have 2 or 3 video cards and they allow you to assign numbers to multiple cards so you know which is which. I have a pair of GTX 580s and always have the monitors open and where I can see them even though I use Precision X to adjust my fan speeds and other settings.   
 
I'm old as dirt and way older than most gamers being 60 and while I do get the metric system from having spent 30+ years as an industrial electronics tech, I just can't quite intuitively nail Celsius down to where I can glance at it and 'know' what it means other than 100 is boiling temp of water (212 F if I remember right) and freezing is 0 (32F). My millis, micros, nanos, picos, kilos, megas and up the scale are a piece of cake but for some reason, temperature never took with me. (If you think about it, the US money system is 'metric' based on 10s) Tech people seem to easily forget not everybody is technically minded nor necessarily wants to be and that when people are used to using a particular system of measurement their entire lives and that system is the norm for them they are resistant to learning something different. It doesn't make them bad or stupid, just comfortable with what they are used to.
 
Enter 'GPU monitoring gadgets' into Google or similar search and go from there. There are not that many. The ones I use are called GPU Observer by Orbmu2K. They are free but he/she/they accept donations thru PayPal. (I have no affiliation with the product or people who made it) Hope this helps.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2014/03/04 13:21:01 (permalink)
To be honest I would be damn pissed if EVGAPX was In Fahrenheit only IF the standard was Celsius.  
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2014/03/04 20:29:24 (permalink)
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To be honest I would be damn pissed if EVGAPX was In Fahrenheit only IF the standard was Celsius.  




I think most people would like to have the option between the two.

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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2014/03/05 02:56:59 (permalink)
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RicksterbonTo be honest I would be damn pissed if EVGAPX was In Fahrenheit only IF the standard was Celsius.  


I think most people would like to have the option between the two.


I don't understand why people should be allowed to choose. The standard is celsius. Maybe Unwinder knows best to see the wisdom of limiting user's choices so that we don't have to google temperature conversions every time someone uses a different scale. Unifying verbage is much preferable. Those who think otherwise will have to just get over it.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2014/03/05 11:13:45 (permalink)
MSI Afterburner is made by the same developer as Precision X and both use Celsius as the standard.

            

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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2014/03/08 18:38:53 (permalink)
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To be honest I would be damn pissed if EVGAPX was In Fahrenheit only IF the standard was Celsius.  




I think most people would like to have the option between the two.




speak for your self Celsius is the standard on pc for temps for reason if we use Fahrenheit alot people would start freaking cause instead seiing 150 Fahrenheit and say it to hot... I dont care to see my temps in Fahrenheit on my pc nor would i ever want to.

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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2014/03/12 18:33:52 (permalink)
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To be honest I would be damn pissed if EVGAPX was In Fahrenheit only IF the standard was Celsius.  




I think most people would like to have the option between the two.




But the problem that comes with that is you get the stubborn and/or uneducated people using the Fahrenheit readings coming on to forums or contacting support with things like "My computer keeps shutting down when my GPU temps reach 160 Degrees". So everyone responds with "OMG! 160 degres!? Dude, your graphics card is way over heating". When in reality it's not because that's just barely over 70c, which is a safe temp.

Industry "Standards" exist so that EVERYONE uses them. It prevents mistakes and confusion. There is no reason at all why the OP, or anyone else, needs their monitoring software to display in Fahrenheit instead of Celsius. The safe temps listed for the card by the manufacturer will ALWAYS be listed in Celsius. So monitoring the temps in Fahrenheit is more harmful than helpful.

The OP has been given alternative options to use and it's been confirmed that EVGA Precision will not be changed. So it's probably time this thread got closed.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2014/03/12 22:47:16 (permalink)
Nothing wrong with giving the end-user the option to choose between the two. On the mobo display i could see sticking with Celsius only due to only being able to display 2 numbers.
 
Allowing people to view it in Fahrenheit wouldn't cause the world to end.
 

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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2014/03/13 04:35:22 (permalink)
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Nothing wrong with giving the end-user the option to choose between the two. On the mobo display i could see sticking with Celsius only due to only being able to display 2 numbers. Allowing people to view it in Fahrenheit wouldn't cause the world to end.  


It would cause my world to end. Who would want to live in such a chaotic world of confusion? Every day having to google temperature conversions and ask for clarifications.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2014/03/13 09:14:28 (permalink)
Trolling has become a more subtle art on the EVGA forums as of late. This is of the same vein as the guy that supposedly tried to put a 2011 socket CPU into a 1150 mobo. They're all fictitious issues that have just enough truth in them not to be ignored yet work to waste everyone's time involved.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2014/03/28 23:36:13 (permalink)
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Trolling has become a more subtle art on the EVGA forums as of late. This is of the same vein as the guy that supposedly tried to put a 2011 socket CPU into a 1150 mobo. They're all fictitious issues that have just enough truth in them not to be ignored yet work to waste everyone's time involved.


Good call. If the OP is in fact this unintelligent and lazy, I fear for our future. (He must be American like me)
 
I also hate the "standard" system. Who wants to do fractions while looking for sockets when you can just see what number is bigger/smaller. Don't even get me started on miles and feet....
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