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2012/10/30 17:55:27 (permalink)
Hello,
 
I just spent an hour on the phone with EVGA Tech Support and Customer Support trying to find out why there is no Fahrenheit setting in the EVGA Precision X program. Yes. I agree. It should not have taken that long, but in fact I never did get a decent answer.
 
Their reasoning for not having a Fahrenheit setting in the EVGA Precision X program
changed depending on who was speaking.  EVGA's Reasons:
 
1. Industry Standard is Celsius because that's what the mobos and graphics cards use.  The fact that mobos have Fahrenheit settings and the fact that this does not tie their hands from adding a Fahrenheit setting and using a simple formula is lost on them.
2. EVGA wrote it that way. Yep, that was the whole reason. The fact that they can easily change it is lost on them.
3. Putting a selection for the temp setting in Fahrenheit would CONFUSE people. Yes, they actually said that. Because an 'F' looks exactly like a 'C'.
 
The EVGA forums indicate requests to add a Fahrenheit setting going back nearly 3 years. Three supervisors including the Tech Support Supervisor (Jason Cane), the Customer Support Supervisor (Chris) and the Vice-President of Technical Support (Joe), indicated the they did not know about the forum requests, and the VP actually asked me how to get to his own forums on his own web site.
 
EVGA's attitude was patronizing at best and seemed to indicate that they were not even CONSIDERING such an easy change to the EVGA Precision X program because the program is FREE.  How could a customer possibly complain about a product that is free?  So then EVGA suggested that I find another graphics program to use!? Then they said they would be happy to send me a t-shirt or other free stuff. Wow, they will buy you off, but not answer a simple question or add a much-requested feature to their program.
 
So as far as I can tell, EVGA won't update their program for one or more of the following reasons:
 
1. Too lazy. It is much easier to deflect the requests by saying Celsius is the "Industry Standard".
2. Too cheap. It is much cheaper to deflect the requests by saying Celsius is the "Industry Standard".
3. They don't care about their customers. Once you've purchased and installed your graphics card from them, they know that you are unlikely to return it. The touted EVGA Precision X information program has already done its job as far as EVGA is concerned. Who at EVGA cares if it actually works?
 
EVGA Tech Support thinks they are sly, but they are just not telling the truth. I asked them "Why?" at least 20 times and they just cycled thru their list of excuses no matter who was on the line. Even the VP.  They have no good reason and they know it. If they just said, "Because we don't want to pay for it.", I would have understood. I wouldn't have liked the reason, but at least I would know why. My best guess is that they didn't write the program and don't have any control over it, but they are too sheepish to admit it, so they make up BS responses.
 
I'm beginning to suspect they don't know anything at EVGA except marketing ploys. They buy their board from nVidia and sell it with their name on a slick box. The CD that comes with it doesn't even have up-to-date versions of their software. So you spend 30 minutes to install it and it tells you that you are not up to date. So you have to spend another hour downloading and installing Yet Another Version...that they say they cannot update.
 
I wish I'd bought my GEFORCE GTX 660 from someone else. Guaranteed I'll not buy another EVGA product.
 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 18:38:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
This is asked every few months or so, and the answer you will always get is  what EVGA stated, industry standard. No one here writes anything down in Fahrenheit. I could not tell you what the max temp of my CPU or GPU in F. I can tell you what it is in C though.
 
As far as the CD that comes in the box, what do you want them to do, pull the boxes and update the contents that are currently out every time their is an update? The drivers and software on the CD are only for immediate release of the card for compatibility. Otherwise you should always download the most current from Nvidia.
Everyone buys the PCB from Nvidia, no one company makes there own cards unless it is a custom PCB, but it is still a Nvidia GPU.
 
Good luck with any other program and company as far as what you are looking for. In my experience EVGA is the best when it comes to support, sorry you don't like C.

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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 18:49:43 (permalink)
Is this post actually serious? celsius IS the industry standard for all pc related hardware. Everyone refers to GPU temps in celsius. Where does this self-entitled attitude come from... you expect the industry to change bexause of your demands?
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 18:56:52 (permalink)
I could suggest GPU-Z oh wait that reports in Celsius 
Theres always MSI Afterburner, nope that's also Celsius
 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 19:13:09 (permalink)
Did you not learn celsius in high school? Do you buy soda? Your car is built with metric hardware.

Are you mad about that too?
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 19:14:49 (permalink)
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Is this post actually serious?

 
Unfortunately i think so.  Seriously though Its not that hard to convert it to Fahrenheit.

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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 19:16:39 (permalink)
If it's THAT important to read the temps in F, HWmonitor shows the temp in F in parenthesis next to the C reading. 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 19:27:03 (permalink)
1. It is industry standard.
2. See 1
3. Yes, people would get confused if it was listed in F.

Do you really think that EVGA wants a bunch more calls from people panicking because "My card idles at 120 degrees and reaches 180 degrees under load!!!!!11!one11!"

All the monitoring software from EVGA's competitors is in C too.


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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 19:36:13 (permalink)
I learned that celsius requires a formula to figure out, where looking at a correct Fahrenheit degree requires that the formula is figured out by the computer. Why are you using a computer instead of paper and pencil?
 
I do not buy soda, thanks.
 
My car is American and uses SAF tools and hardware.
 
Why are you mad about any of this?
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 19:38:35 (permalink)
Hmm all 3 of my previous "American" cars had metric hardware. Oh maybe because they are sold around the world, and most likely built there too.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 19:39:18 (permalink)
Industry standards do not require the temp be displayed ONLY in celsius.
 
If one chooses a Fahrenheit setting and the temp is displayed with an F, only a moron would be confused. Are you a moron?
 
If EVGA did things right, nobody would be calling them at all for such a "problem".
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 19:41:48 (permalink)
Then I suggest to you they were not "American". Just because you bought it here, doesn't mean it was built by an American company.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 19:46:17 (permalink)
This is America. I'm not asking for the Celsius to be taken away, I'm asking for an additional selection that will convert it to Fahrenheit. Wouldn't take but a couple hours by a capable programmer...what's the big deal other than those I outlined earlier?
 
If I wanted to spend my time running formulas, I could use a pad and paper and use the computer. But I don't, and neither do you. Just because you are happy with it, doesn't mean I should be.
 
If you don't care about reading it in Fahrenheit, that's wonderful. I'd like to read it in Fahrenheit and not have to work a formula to do so.
 
 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 19:47:23 (permalink)
I suggest you are the one with the problem in your head. Nobody is bothering you or trying to keep you from using the system as is. My point is that the "intention" of the program is skewed to the benefits of EVGA instead of their customers.
 
You must be an employee of EVGA.
 
 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 19:48:49 (permalink)
It's been that way for years. All the other monitoring programs follow the same standard. Precision is an optional program. If you don't like it there are other options out there. But most of them also display in Celsius.  Like I said, HWMonitor will show in C and F. 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 20:02:59 (permalink)
Problem solved. Thank me later
 
 
http://www.metric-convers...sius-to-fahrenheit.htm

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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 20:06:30 (permalink)
my car is a GM product, and is metric, at least the oil pan drain plug is, lug nuts, and the oil filter cap.  
 
But yeah, Celsius is standard.  I wish we would use use Metric as a standard in the USA, the rest of the world does.  The whole Imperial system is just stupid non linear.  Metric makes loads more sense, its all base 10.

 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 20:12:29 (permalink)
If HWMonitor displays in both C and F, then why is it problematic for me to want F? Sorry, I don't use Celsius at all, ever. I just thought it would be neat to instantly compare the temp of my GPU with the indoor temperature without having to do math each and every time.
 
If we'd all switched over to Metric back in the '70s, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But until everything IS in metric, then Standard Fahrenheit should be displayed...especially when a computer can do the math in a couple of (very fast) cycles.
 
I had hoped for some intelligent discourse as to the actual reason Fahrenheit is not part of the standard or why it could NOT be added. I got none of this.
 
Instead I got more of EVGA's "Because that is the Industry Standard" and insults for even suggesting such a thing. This is what tells me that I'm right in asking for a Fahrenheit display.
 
In 35 years, I've never seen a situation where computer geeks want the computer to do LESS work...wow.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 20:15:49 (permalink)
Dude, I can do the math, I can even go to the page you kindly provided a link to, but I don't want to take the extra time to do something a computer can do before I can even blink.
 
But, thank-you anyway.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 20:19:38 (permalink)
The standard for computer data entry used to require punch cards.
 
Should we stick with ALL industry standards cuz that's the way it is?
 
Or should we look to improve a bit here and there?
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 20:22:27 (permalink)
And how much did you enjoy having to have two sets of tools for your American cars?
 
Just because you bought cars designed in S. Korea, doesn't mean everyone in the US uses metric.
 
We are on the Imperial Standard, like it or not.
 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 20:30:49 (permalink)
Americans aren't the only people who buy computer hardware. Why should they put everyone else out and make the temperatures display in F?
 
Go to an Auto Repair shop and ask the technicians how often they use Imperial tools compared to metric.
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 20:34:01 (permalink)
Unfortunately this is the problem with society now days and its kind of sad. People expect technology (And or Government)  to do everything for them and nobody wants to lift a finger for them self as they feel a since of entitlement.
 

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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 20:35:00 (permalink)
Are you saying that expecting technology to work for people is bad?
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 20:59:37 (permalink)
Why does everyone have to be such a dick about it? It would take EVGA about 6 lines of code to give you an option to use F instead of C even if it the industry standard. 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/30 21:22:31 (permalink)
You have talked to EVGA and they have told you the reason why Celsius is used instead of Fahrenheit. I don't understand what you are trying to get at with this thread. Sure, you prefer Fahrenheit but Celsius is the global industry standard and is the unit engineers use. If you post on the forums for troubleshooting support, people expect units in Celsius.
 
Just because it is an EVGA product does not mean you must use EVGA Precision. You are free to use whatever software you want for overclocking at your own liability.
 
EVGA has already given their word on this issue and whether or not they decide to support other units is their choice.


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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/31 09:51:09 (permalink)
Hi,
 
There are several reasons why Fahrenheit is not listed on EVGA Precision X, but the biggest reason is below.
 
This is the base EVGA skin:

 
Celcuis is written in text on the actual skin, so this means that all the custom skins, including 3rd party, would not be compatible and would require that all skins be rewritten to support Fahrenheit. Not to mention the custom skins that we have been offering on 680/670/660, etc are created by a 3rd party and these may or may not be able to be updated.
 
Second reason is that NVAPI (the API that Precision uses to read temperatures) is reported in Celsius, not Fahrenheit so extra logic/programming would need to be added to convert it.
 
Third reason is that computer components are almost always reported in Celsius primarily. When somebody says their graphics card runs at 60 Degrees, they are talking Celsius. There is concern that a user who is not familiar with this may switch it to Fahrenheit and see 140 Degrees, and may have some concerns.


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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/31 13:07:21 (permalink)
How old is your car? EVERY car made in the last 30+ years has been metric, aside from a couple years of change over when a few companies had half and half mixes depending on where parts where made and when outside venders changed over.
 
Really unsure of the seriousness of the post as every complaint is way way out there in left field.

 
 
 
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/31 13:15:03 (permalink)
So the answer is EVGA hardwired the skin so nobody can change it. Nice job! Had your tech support people told me this, it would have saved a LOT of time and acrimony. But they are too indoctrinated to say, "Industry Standard", "Industry Standard", "Industry Standard".  At least I got an answer....finally.
 
It is interesting to note that the nvidia GPU gadget DOES allow the change from C to F. Wonder why? Are ALL the nvidia gadget users left totally confused and unable to say 91 degrees Fahrenheit? What a joke. I mean, I understand that the EVGA hard-wired skin is a major problem, but continuing to say that a Fahrenheit setting would confuse the customers is just plain asinine.
 
Mox nix, I am returning the EVGA GTX 660 to Amazon. After the sound beating I received for suggesting
what should have been a minor change, I won't be buying EVGA products in the foreseeable future.
 
Like, never.  One can have a shining 18 carat diamond, but if it is covered in fecal matter, what good is it?
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Re:Why no Fahrenheit setting in EVGA Precision X? 2012/10/31 13:23:44 (permalink)
Hi there,
 
Just to clarify most everything in PC engineering whether it be in the cooling side which I deal with or in most measurements are in metric as most all of the world runs on metric.   It is an easy standard that any user can relate to as it is a base 10 measurement.
 
as for the program... it does have to work with the interface coming from the Nvidia card which as stated by jacob is NVAPI.... and this reference is also sent as a measurement in base 10 or celcius.  Therefore in order to keep continuity with what engineering and users have seen for quite some time it does make sense to see it setup in such a way.
 
Programming the software to display Fahrenheit may seem like an easy change but it also involves other lines of code to convert the reading and it adds something else that can possibly have an error or issue.  I believe this is why most have adopted the single reading type to minimize the risk of errors and also possible user confusion.
 
We do have to keep in mind that while most of us are enthusiasts there are also regular gamers or users that might not know the difference between what temp is normal or not due to multiple standards.

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