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Picked up an EVGA GTX650 SC for a budget build and ran a few comparisons to see where this card stood. The card cost $110 AR at amazon. Power draw, single PCI-E connector, and size were important factors in this machine. Also considered a GTS450 and GTX550Ti. Since this upgrade is going in a machine running a smaller screen I ran the comparisons at lower res. The card being replaced is a GT430. http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=01G-P4-2652-KR The Card and test rig  The Package  The Contenders  I can't find a review of this EVGA card, but here is one of a competitor's card with lower clocks. Review Link The GTX650 is on par with a GTX550Ti. Not much advancement in performance, but it draws much less power and is quite small. A single slot version and $20 price drop would probably help this card succeed. 3DMark11 GTX460 GTX650 GT430 Heaven 1280x1024, 4X AA, Normal Tessellation GTX460  GTX650  GT430  Heaven 1280x1024, 8X AA, Extreme Tessellation GTX460  GTX650  GT430  Folding on the GTX650  Ice Cold 52C... fan control from 20% to 70%. Don't go over 50% or it gets noticeable. For an 8020 WU GTX460 at 763 MHz = 14.8k PPD GTX650 at 1201 MHz = 6.6k PPD GT430 at 700 MHz = 3.6k PPD If power draw isn't an issue, the GTX460 is still the way to go for ~$90 used. I think this card will do well for it's intended market. A small price drop would also put it more in line with the competition.
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/18 07:35:20
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PhysX Evaluation Testbed system is a 2600K @4.7 GHz, Asus P8P67 Deluxe, 8GB DDR3-1600, GTX670 FTW stock boost 1215 MHz, 1920x1080 panel Settings  GTX670 no PhysX  GTX670 PhysX High  GTX670 + GTX650 PhysX High  GTX670 + GTX460 PhysX High  Observations: Minimum framerate is all over the map between runs on same setup/settings. Avg and Max are repeatable. It looks like the GTX650 does nearly as well as the GTX460 here. _____________________________________________ I also ran some data on the 460 using an old Pentium 4 Dual Core to show what a CPU bottleneck looks like. Since it is just a folding machine the PPD is identical, but the other tests aren't: 3DMark11 GTX460 on a P4D - The card itself is almost on par, but the CPU-dependent scores bomb when compared to the C2D 8400 system, above. Heaven 1280x1024 4X, Normal  8X, Extreme  Overall performance is lower, but the change in performance when cranking up the settings is far less. This is what a bottleneck looks like.
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/18 09:09:27
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Nice little review. Thanks for sharing.
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/18 09:43:45
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BR for staypuft! Very nice man. Cool to know where it stands.
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/18 10:04:02
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/18 14:04:38
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Great info SP, thanks brother. This is very interesting. I have a buddy who has a 460 and we are debating on what card to upgrade him to.
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/18 14:54:49
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Your Mods Rigs listing says your main box has a pair of 680s in it...
...would you be willing to drop the 650 in that box, and see how 'Arkham City' PhysX works on it? IE., run PhysX with the 680s in one test, then run PhysX dedicated to the 650 in comparison.
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/18 20:33:57
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Updated OP with more data and pics @ xanderf: This dual slot 650 will not fit the available space in my case, power supply in the way.
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/18 21:45:13
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staypuft
Updated OP with more data and pics
@ xanderf: This dual slot 650 will not fit the available space in my case, power supply in the way.
Hmmm....any chance of trying it with just a single 680, then, and the 650 in the other slot (non-SLI, of course?) Just dying to know how this thing does in PhysX...
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/19 06:46:00
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Hmmm....any chance of trying it with just a single 680, then, and the 650 in the other slot (non-SLI, of course?)
Just dying to know how this thing does in PhysX...
I will try this out with a single 670FTW.
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/19 08:52:05
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Thanks for the review! I was wondering where the GTX650 fell in the line up and this review is a good solid answer for me on that. 
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/19 14:00:46
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/19 20:41:27
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/19 23:30:56
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PhysX results in post #2
Thanks! Looks like about a 10% boost in average FPS using a 650 as dedicated PhysX vs letting the 670 do both. Hmmm - interesting! EDIT: and for reference, the other post I was thinking of, where a forum member ran a 680 single then a 680 with 560 Ti for PhysX is over here. The 560 Ti looks like it added about 18% vs the 680 on its own. So I guess we have an answer. For the 6-series GPUs, we finally have a ~$100 card that can actually show a performance improvement in PhysX for them...but it still takes a ~$200 card to get a performance difference that is obviously noticeable in play.
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/20 06:33:53
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I was surprised the 460 didn't do better tbh, it's an SC and benches nearly the same as a vanilla 560. The 560Ti only has 48 more CUDA cores. It could be that I'm not pushing the 670 to its limit so the difference between solo and dedicated PhysX card isn't as significant. I don't have anything with higher resolution and the settings are pretty much maxed out.
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/20 13:19:53
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Thank you for doing so much work and offering your findings to us. BR for you!
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
2012/09/20 13:40:28
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Interesting. Nice min frame bump with the 670 & 650. 
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Re:EVGA GTX 650 SC, some benches and folding results
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