Well,... I spend time doing other things to day and to my surprise when I checked in we have a new cc2013 discussion thread
Good idea AB
im going to cover this in sections
this years contest 1.
there was nothing wrong with the formula. if we had met last years conversion we could be in 1st(16-18)M or close to it
if we had met last year's ppd(12M PPD) we be in 3rd (we doing 9M this year).
the problem was lack of conversion - getting members to switch to the apes
furthermore production was down - had we met march folding madness numbers we be slugging it out
28M(top team PPD) x 60%(last year conversion) =17M(ape PPD)...and OCN was doing 16M...be a tight race
we even could have won..if we had lower Team output and we could get the team switched over with higher conversion
2.
FORMULAS for people who couldn't understand the categories it's simple
conversion is ape output/team output this gives a %...it's then normalized (from 10-110) lowest get 10pts... highest team get 110pts
growth is based off last years numbers this year
(output - last years/ last years) this gives a +- % growth then it normalized the same way from (10-110)
and PPD category is just normalized against the other teams (you don't need to divide PPD by 1m to get points then normalize..it just shifts decimal places)
the formula was more than fair - we did after all bring in members from other teams (I do thank the crunchers that came from other teams on a trek with us as well as members from other teams that popped in...we might have had a few - there people I knew that would)
my only issue was that I would have like to weight the three categories
(ie like 40% PPD, 50 % growth, 10% conversion...- this is an example the weighting can be tweaked - worked on)
why? conversion directly affects growth and PPD if you get new members or conversion you get growth and increased PPD
and large team joinups can't affect it greatly by large amounts if you do that
and growth directly affects PPD - ie 10% growth in production should be a 10% increase in PPD
so we are counting the numbers twice???
and if you add conversion 10% more people switched should relate to 10% growth and 10% PPD increase...so 3 times???
to me this was an improvement over the exponential formula zodac had
so for me it's... what we should consider to be more important PPD or growth...(Id say growth)?
anyways this would all change if we get rid of the CC names
3.
lack of lead time - yes this was an issue
there is no way for one or two people to PM that many people...it take 10 of us about 3 days each working on a section to get a message out, and then you wouldn't get everyone. blocked pm, full inbox,away, left team, machine down - no email, folding name not matching evga name - so no sendout
if this is to be done it has to be coordinated by either
A) a team, with multiple waves(3 sendouts - in case they miss or forget about it)
B)EVGA - mass email blast - they have the member list - they can bypass pm - and directly email home email address
c) EVGA forum banner
d) all above
4.
timing of event - yes this had an afffect - it was late - near june - heat would be an issue for some
it was later than the previous CC which put members out of sorts...and at one time we all thought we wouldn't even have one
5.
Team Spirit? -to early to know for sure how this played in
it could be we might be back to our old selfs and and happy ...just the other factors did us in
but it could be we are still a little sore from March folding and Some with PG..
if we aren't ourselves we need to find something to rally around and get our mojo back
ie recruitment treks and hoodie contest ...we need something to get energized again
6,
EVGA's commitment to the DC group they dropped the ball a bit - they promised the PM/email last...we got the banner - and it was late
given they had short lead time - I can understand as well
next year provide we had good lead time - we can have the banner and maybe a mass email/market blast by EVGA
if we can convince them to add a little more support as well like small prizes like hoodies (ie FOLDing hoodies, crunching, DC hoodies- that have both ), lanyards, coffee mugs??
seems OCN can manage to get hoodies out this year - yet EVGA can't???
Im buying 2-3 new EVGA gpu's soon and then a MB and CPU for a new build
be nice to know that EVGA backs up the team seeing the $$$ and time we put in to it and people we bring in
we aren't asking for Hardware (although the last years signed fermi was nice during the anniversary)
next years discussions 1, I already had proposed to continue discussions after the CC for next chimp to avoid the same issues...that met with silence
2. proposed month was april - unless it was changed since (others were against fall) - reason - cooler
doesn't matter what season you pick some team will oppose
3 CC names - drop them or keep them will be the fight
seeing how OCN did so well they shouldn't complain next year about the switch
4. general prize pool? every team donates into 1 big pool
this would be beneficial to smaller teams that has a harder time with donations
5. Folding in honors page... we set up a yearly page were we add fallen members too
6 we have to have an official site - OCN and my page are not up to a official site that has been well planned and laid out
with a chat page, inter-team prizes, folding in memory of (fallen soldier)page, good graphs and stats page, and a new team invite/sign-up page (for those teams that are watching or wish to join for next years chimp)
team preparedness 1 we have to get our mojo back... we have to quit bickering and convince past folders to ignore PG and fold for the team - because it's a good cause...just like I do crunching - do both because you can
don't quit or complain because PG changed things or you got the brush off at foldingforums.
it not much different with crunching projects - bugs and fixes and forum help is not very good - and lost work you don't get credit for
at least PG will try to recoup lost points (can't say the same for DC projects - which vary on quality)
we gave them a good snub...that's enough
Id suggest we try letting it go a and work to get the team bigger and more powerful like [H]
if it means we go on treks to other folding teams (sub teams) and make new friends - and get them interested in EVGA and what they offer..it's a good idea
2. coordination with EVGA on contest has to be worked out (for all of them)... it be nice if EVGA would at least work out contest banners ,stickies and email blasts to members for important contests.
that might mean a mod or two that works with them to do this
3. A team effort to keep informed - check emails and pms every couple of days and read the folding/crunching threads for news
4. go back to folding heads up(member to member) - to energize and gear up our members to be ready anytime / anyplace to duke it out
5. encourage people at every opportunity in your community to look into folding for EVGA - talk about it, how it makes you feel
contest rules 1. as was noted contest rules should be spelled out early...and no changes after the rules are in place
that was the fiasco in march
2. members must be courteous - I don't want members to insult, malign or threaten any other member in any way
we have members that have left because of that - lets try to get them back
3. when you enter a contest it becomes your responsibility to read the rules and the prize distribution thread and keep informed
if you miss out on a prize because you we're not present - sleepin on not on it's your own fault for not keeping up
(we'll be a day or two for you to check in and respond to to distro method we use - currently punchy has a good system)
maybe this will wake some members up that logging in and checking in every once and awhile is a good thing
just like it's the responsibility to keep to the original rules from the onset for the contest volunteers (switchin midstream the rules that change team positions or team outcomes is not good)
4. we can't bar teams from recruiting other teams or people
how could we know(we we only know from the few that do tell)?? - they can just switch - they can even create new names to fold under
we do the same - we got some this year
in fact if you go out and recruit and make friends we might actually get some to switch here ..ie steal a few from [H] or elsewhere
permanently
post edited by Xavier Zepherious - 2012/05/24 02:38:18
