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So I just wiped my hard drives in my main rig (on my mods rigs), and put my 3 x Samsung HD322GJ drives together in RAID 0. Did a 128k stripe size and shrunk the volume from 960GB (320 x 3) to 300GB total (that's 100GB on each drive). Loaded up Win7 Pro 64-bit as usual, and did a quick HD Tune test. Aside from the 10ms access time, I think this very likely bests any single SSD config I've seen out there so far! It's also cheaper than a single SSD, especially one with 300GB! Everything is noticeably faster, hell... even the damn WEI gave me a 6.5 for HDD transfer instead of the usual 5.9
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 16:36:28
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Does HD tune work with SSDs? I'd like to see how my lone OCZ Vertex 3 60GB on a PCI-E x1 SATA III controller (peak 5.0 Gb/s) compares to this. CrystalDiskMark is a good bench too. My WEI score is 7.4 and my boot time is as low as 22.814 seconds (despite having to go through 2 POST phases - mobo and SATA III card). Here is a guide for checking your boot times. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/174750-boot-times-monitor-event-viewer.html
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 16:45:36
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NICE, making me want to go out and buy a few cheap HDD's.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 16:47:28
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now put a better file system on them and whoosh
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 16:48:17
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Once I get my Corsair 128BG Force GT setup I'd be happy to bench it for comparison. I'm waiting on the motherboard atm.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 16:51:27
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Keep in mind the Samsung HD322GJ are SATA II drives. My E758 mobo is also SATA II only  Also I have updated to the latest BIOS 83.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 17:32:33
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here's 3 first gen. ocz vertex ssd in raid 0
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 17:47:47
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I'm personally still not sold on SSD, rather stick with tried and proven magentic storage for awhile still for my needs.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 19:00:15
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what are you talking about ssd's are great. that 10.2 acess time is not that great, however for a bunch of mech hdd's the reads are not bad at all in sata 2. still comes nowhere close to ssd performance. I have sata 3 benches i can post, but the sata 2 benchs i have no pics of. 2 120gb corsair force gt ssd's in raid 0 on a sata 2 ports does 560mbps reads. with 0.1ms access time.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 19:12:44
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I would love to have an SSD, but for someone on a budget, RAID 0 cheap 1TB drives would give you pretty decent transfer rates and 2-3 times more space than what you would pay for with an SSD. I think that's the point of this thread.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 19:15:08
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I'd rather wait for them to get bigger/cheaper and replace magnetic drives alltogether is basically what im getting at
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 19:18:28
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I would love to have an SSD, but for someone on a budget, RAID 0 cheap 1TB drives would give you pretty decent transfer rates and 2-3 times more space than what you would pay for with an SSD. I think that's the point of this thread.
raid 0 is a great option for someone on a budget to gain performance and reads alike. however the mech hdds fail alot. hense the whole raid 0 is no good ect. with ssd's they do not fail that i have seen. not to say it wont happen, but no moving parts. you know what i mean. also ssd's are really good for OS boot drives and thats it. you can find them for under 150 bucks for a 40gb ssds with reads and access time faster than the OP. a good 1tb hdd is about 80 bucks.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 19:30:38
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e-money
here's 3 first gen. ocz vertex ssd in raid 0
SSD in raid vs Hdd in raid...
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 19:38:59
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The point is, my HDDs in RAID can beat a single SSD at transfer speeds. Of course you're gonna have better access times though... Also @ Little Sister, from my experience and reviews, these Samsung Spinpoint drives prove to be quite reliable. They run cool and quiet despite how fast they are. Mine are a bit over a year old now and are still dead quiet and run below 30C even during usage. They show no signs of imminent failure.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 19:46:22
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direraptor22
The point is, my HDDs in RAID can beat a single SSD at transfer speeds. Of course you're gonna have better access times though...
Also @ Little Sister, from my experience and reviews, these Samsung Spinpoint drives prove to be quite reliable. They run cool and quiet despite how fast they are. Mine are a bit over a year old now and are still dead quiet and run below 30C even during usage. They show no signs of imminent failure.
of course those drives in raid 0 will beat a single ssd on a sata 2 controller. sata 3 a different story. point with mech failure is that they will fail at some point and time and are highly likely to fail due to moving parts. on another note those are great reads for your raid config. and inexpensive. BTW- HDTune is the crappiest hdd bench you can run. others are mych better and you will find your reads ect. to be higher with them. however you need to check to see what the manufacture used to bench there drives with to really see if there performing properly. off subject, but heres 2 ssds on a sata 3 controller benched with hdtune. my reads are on par when using ATTO which is what corsair uses to bench there ssd's. corsair force gt 120gb in raid 0 on sata 3
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 19:55:03
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^^ So jelly at your SSD RAID 0 results I think by the time SSDs come down in price my Spinpoints are still gonna be running nicely. FYI those HD322GJ drives were $42 a piece when Newegg still had them. So technically it cost me $126 for about 900GB of space with those transfer speeds. I always like taking the cheaper route
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 19:56:47
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 Gimme gimme me want me want :) Little Sister direraptor22 The point is, my HDDs in RAID can beat a single SSD at transfer speeds. Of course you're gonna have better access times though... Also @ Little Sister, from my experience and reviews, these Samsung Spinpoint drives prove to be quite reliable. They run cool and quiet despite how fast they are. Mine are a bit over a year old now and are still dead quiet and run below 30C even during usage. They show no signs of imminent failure. of course those drives in raid 0 will beat a single ssd on a sata 2 controller. sata 3 a different story. point with mech failure is that they will fail at some point and time and are highly likely to fail due to moving parts. on another note those are great reads for your raid config. and inexpensive. BTW- HDTune is the crappiest hdd bench you can run. others are mych better and you will find your reads ect. to be higher with them. however you need to check to see what the manufacture used to bench there drives with to really see if there performing properly. off subject, but heres 2 ssds on a sata 3 controller benched with hdtune. my reads are on par when using ATTO which is what corsair uses to bench there ssd's. corsair force gt 120gb in raid 0 on sata 3
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 19:58:52
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:02:17
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I already have two of the Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1500HLHX 150GB 10000 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s, I have been thinking about grabbing four more and raid 0 them. Wondering how these would stand up against some ssd's anybody have 3-4 of them that could post some results?
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:02:49
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Your missing the point of the thread... hey how did you end up with 2x GTX 580 3gb cards, new cpu, mobo and ssd's didn't you ask the community to donate hardware for your sons rig because you could not buy it? The point of the thread is that a couple cheap mechanicals beat a single Ssd costing less and offering more space period at hos price paid for what he got is amazing. Also mechanicals are not prone to fail iv had only 5 hard drive s fail in 20 years. If they last over 3-6for months chances are in your favor they will keep on trucking....
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:04:26
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MajestacaL I already have two of the Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1500HLHX 150GB 10000 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s, I have been thinking about grabbing four more and raid 0 them. Wondering how these would stand up against some ssd's anybody have 3-4 of them that could post some results? I heard if you go past around 4 drives in RAID usually the onboard RAID controller tends to get a bit erratic (fluctuating read/write speeds, etc) and that's when you wanna start looking for a dedicated RAID card.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:05:31
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The access times are what beats you out with a few of those HDD's in raid. You do know that the access time is the main reason for getting an SSD? Your HDD's will never reach the access times of an SSD. This is because an SSD is a SOLID state drive. Solid state meaning it does not have any moving parts.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:07:18
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chrisdglong The access times are what beats you out with a few of those HDD's in raid. You do know that the access time is the main reason for getting an SSD? Your HDD's will never reach the access times of an SSD. This is because an SSD is a SOLID state drive. Solid state meaning it does not have any moving parts. Please refer to the first paragraph in post #14...
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:08:06
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Your missing the point of the thread... hey how did you end up with 2x GTX 580 3gb cards, new cpu, mobo and ssd's didn't you ask the community to donate hardware for your sons rig because you could not buy it? The point of the thread is that a couple cheap mechanicals beat a single Ssd costing less and offering more space period.
Also mechanicals are not prone to fail iv had only 5 hard drive s fail in 20 years. If they last over 3-6for months chances are in your favor they will keep on trucking....
That a bit out of line dont you think. I did ask members to donate if they could for a rig for my son a while back and got in alot of trouble for asking thank you. Its also none of your damn business how i got my new rig, nor is it if i have some money or im poor. I see the point clear as day sir, and posted some results of my ssd's as well. you must have missed the part where i stated those are great reads for the mech hdds and very in exspensive, also agreeing with OP. BTW im glad you have had only a few hdds failure from mech hdds, but i have had alot and seen alot go as well. it was more of a word of caution, but im sure OP already knew that. Find someone else to pick on donata.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:11:35
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donta1979 Your missing the point of the thread... hey how did you end up with 2x GTX 580 3gb cards, new cpu, mobo and ssd's didn't you ask the community to donate hardware for your sons rig because you could not buy it? Kinda harsh and uncalled for... don't you think?
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:13:45
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direraptor22 chrisdglong The access times are what beats you out with a few of those HDD's in raid. You do know that the access time is the main reason for getting an SSD? Your HDD's will never reach the access times of an SSD. This is because an SSD is a SOLID state drive. Solid state meaning it does not have any moving parts. Please refer to the first paragraph in post #14... I don't see the point then... So what if it writes faster? I don't even have a DVD drive anymore and you would have to have another set of drives that read/write at the same speed to run backups faster... What do you really use that speed for anyway? Downloading games are limited to the DL speed of the internet...
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:18:53
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chrisdglong I don't see the point then... So what if it writes faster? I don't even have a DVD drive anymore and you would have to have another set of drives that read/write at the same speed to run backups faster... What do you really use that speed for anyway? Downloading games are limited to the DL speed of the internet... 1. The same reason why everybody posts up their specs, to SHOW IT OFF regardless how crappy or pwnsauce it is... and 2. I've noticed faster boot to Windows speeds and smoother gameplay... as opposed to a single HDD. Problem?
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:19:48
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:22:08
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Point here is the mech hdds x3 in raid 0 fetch faster read/writes then a single ssd on the same sata 2 port. IMO thats awesome. OP - As long as your happy, thats what counts :)
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:24:18
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direraptor22 chrisdglong I don't see the point then... So what if it writes faster? I don't even have a DVD drive anymore and you would have to have another set of drives that read/write at the same speed to run backups faster... What do you really use that speed for anyway? Downloading games are limited to the DL speed of the internet... 1. The same reason why everybody posts up their specs, to SHOW IT OFF regardless how crappy or pwnsauce it is... and 2. I've noticed faster boot to Windows speeds and smoother gameplay... as opposed to a single HDD. Problem? Well, if that does it for you then keep it up. I actually no longer even see the point of an SSD. The speed difference was not justified for the loss of space and high cost for me. I went back to a solid 2TB HDD. That works for me.
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