17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E)

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2011/08/26 19:26:54 (permalink)
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/sandy-bridge-e-xeon-cpu-servers,13308.html
 
pretty awesome lineup i believe, time to pick out which one i want for my rig (gonna try and go dual socket)

 

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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 19:36:26 (permalink)
    That's a fairly impressive lineup from Intel, any price leaks so far? Those 8cores are looking pretty beastly.
     
    Can't wait to see what kind of rigs people on the forum will build with those 10K$+ budgets :D

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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 19:49:04 (permalink)
    Any of those 8 cores would be fine by me, times 2 of course. Curious, but not concerned about the pricing.
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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 19:53:20 (permalink)
    Eyeing, Xeon E5-2650L for the Xeon server upgrades

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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 19:57:09 (permalink)
    Xeon E5-2687W 8 16 3.1 GHz 20 MB DDR3-1600 150 Watt  
     
    20MB Cache... complete overkill.

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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 20:02:18 (permalink)
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    Xeon E5-2687W 8 16 3.1 GHz 20 MB DDR3-1600 150 Watt  

    20MB Cache... complete overkill.

    Bulldozer/Zambezi/Interlagos has 16MB... right?
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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 20:05:54 (permalink)
    can i use one of these 8 core 16 core xeon for desktop gaming?

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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 20:07:12 (permalink)
    Brocasta
    Bulldozer/Zambezi/Interlagos has 16MB... right?

    32MBs
     
    2MBs L2 per Module, 2MBs L3 per Module
     
    Interlagos 32MB
    Valencia 16MB
    Zambezi 16MB
     
    AMD is not core specific
    Intel is core specific
     
    256KB L2 per Core, 2.5MB L3 per Core
     
    Xeon Romley 4 core -> 11MB
    Xeon Romley 6 core -> 16.5MB
    Xeon Romley 8 core -> 22MB
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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 20:13:44 (permalink)
    Don't you think the TDP values are kind of unconventional? I mean there are too many steps compared to previous line-ups; 60-70-80-95-115-130-135-150
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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 20:24:14 (permalink)
    FYI:
    • Xeon E5-1600 replaces Xeon W3500/W3600 (Core i7 counterparts)
    • Xeon E5-2600 is in part going after Xeon 5500/5600's
    • Xeon E5-4600 will be aimed at Xeon 7500 and E7's.
    All three use LGA2011, but we can't mix and match with our X79's.  Intel is making an entirely different chipset just for E5-1600 called "C600", so those CPUs may not work in X79 either. 
     
    It's sad reading those comments people still don't understand the meaning of Intel's TDP.  TDP is just a thermal (heat wattage) category stating that a part cannot qualify for the next one down, so it gets the next one up.  This way cooling companies don't have to tailor coolers to each CPU, rather a category, and Intel can debut future CPUs and still fall within an already established category.  Companies/customers don't have the change the cooler everytime. 
     
    Look at 2670 and 2680, differ by just 100MHz yet put in 115W TDP and 130W TDP, respectively.  Since all other die specs are identical, chances are 2680 ends up slightly above 115W and doesn't qualify anymore.  In fact all 20MB L3 cache 8-cores only differ by frequency and TDP, if we assumed linear variation we could see which see how close each one could come within their TDP's.

    TEC/Peltier definitions, formulas and temperature estimations

     For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  
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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 20:43:11 (permalink)
    That E5-2687W looks like a total beast.

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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 20:52:10 (permalink)
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    FYI:
    • Xeon E5-1600 replaces Xeon W3500/W3600 (Core i7 counterparts)
    • Xeon E5-2600 is in part going after Xeon 5500/5600's
    • Xeon E5-4600 will be aimed at Xeon 7500 and E7's.
    All three use LGA2011, but we can't mix and match with our X79's.  Intel is making an entirely different chipset just for E5-1600 called "C600", so those CPUs may not work in X79 either. 

    It's sad reading those comments people still don't understand the meaning of Intel's TDP.  TDP is just a thermal (heat wattage) category stating that a part cannot qualify for the next one down, so it gets the next one up.  This way cooling companies don't have to tailor coolers to each CPU, rather a category, and Intel can debut future CPUs and still fall within an already established category.  Companies/customers don't have the change the cooler everytime. 

    Look at 2670 and 2680, differ by just 100MHz yet put in 115W TDP and 130W TDP, respectively.  Since all other die specs are identical, chances are 2680 ends up slightly above 115W and doesn't qualify anymore.  In fact all 20MB L3 cache 8-cores only differ by frequency and TDP, if we assumed linear variation we could see which see how close each one could come within their TDP's.

     
    What's sad is that you don't understand my post and conclude that I don't understand what TDP means. Well, you're wrong. I know what TDP means and in fact, hence my post. I found the TDP values reported interesting as there are new categories that didn't exist before.
     
     
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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 22:11:22 (permalink)
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    It's sad reading those comments people still don't understand the meaning of Intel's TDP. 

    What's sad is that you don't understand my post and conclude that I don't understand what TDP means.
    It is even sadder you assumed I was taking to or about you and took offense.  I was talking about "those comments" in the article you linked. 
     
    Furthermore, not everyone reading and replying to these forums is as knowledgable, newbies are born everyday and being a computer enthusiast doesn't requiring knowing the meat and potatos.  Proof is there are very few people asking which cooler has what TDP limitation and more asking "what is the best cooler" for the CPU.   Further proof are those that think an older cooler isn't unable to handle future CPUs despite sharing the same TDP bracket. 

    Back on topic, I agree the number of TDP variations are extensive, but that can be explained easily: Segmentation.  The more cores CPUs have (add in cache memories, HT and Turbo), the more variation in SKU's there will be and the previous lumps of TDP are too wide.   

    TEC/Peltier definitions, formulas and temperature estimations

     For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  
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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 22:39:13 (permalink)
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    That E5-2687W looks like a total beast.

    two of those for a FAH rig please! 

     
     
     
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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/26 22:50:56 (permalink)
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    two of those for a FAH rig please! 

     
    Do you have $3000-4000?
    I should say $6000-$8000 since you say two then the $300-$500 for the 2P Setup
    post edited by seronx - 2011/08/26 22:52:12

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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/27 05:48:53 (permalink)
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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/27 08:07:54 (permalink)
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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/27 08:55:14 (permalink)
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    Bulldozer/Zambezi/Interlagos has 16MB... right?

    32MBs

    2MBs L2 per Module, 2MBs L3 per Module

    Interlagos 32MB
    Valencia 16MB
    Zambezi 16MB

    AMD is not core specific
    Intel is core specific

    256KB L2 per Core, 2.5MB L3 per Core

    Xeon Romley 4 core -> 11MB
    Xeon Romley 6 core -> 16.5MB
    Xeon Romley 8 core -> 22MB

    How is AMD not core specific and intel is? Do you you mean that because each unit has the cache instead of each core?
    post edited by Scott_J - 2011/08/27 09:02:17


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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/27 09:23:00 (permalink)
    ^ It's how they went about there design preference I suppose, it's similar to how AMD uses stream and Nvidia uses CUDA (I think on the AMD). 
     
    But yes those CPU's loook oh so expensive and wanting. 

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    Re:17 new Xeon CPU's for q4 (SB-E) 2011/08/27 10:36:37 (permalink)
    The lineup looks great and I'm glad to see Intel moving to 8-cores. I'd be curious to see if Intel eventually comes out with a 10-core setup for SB-E like what the E7-8870 supports. Hopefully we'll see some benchmarks between SB-E Xeon dual and quad socket against AMD Interlagos.
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