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2011/07/23 17:22:22 (permalink)
I recently purchased a 590 classified to replace a couple of crossfired 5870's.  This baby is amazing and runs everything maxed without breaking a sweat......Except World of Warcraft.  While playing wow its runs great.  Smooth, great fps.  Even at peak times in the hearts of the most congested cities.  I run into a problem while in a raid and while doing daily quests in the molten front.  My fps drops down between 25-35 and the game becomes real choppy.  This is curious because my Xfired 5870's didn't stutter at all in these scenarios.  This GTX 590 trumps my previous cards in every aspect except this.  WoW being one of the games I play more often, I am ripping my hair out trying to figure out why this card isnt performing like it should with WoW.
 
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Running on 7mb/second DSL
 
Things Ive tried.
Disabled HT on the I7
Set Preferred Performance in the Nvidia Program Profile
Individually decreased every graphic setting in the game attempting to find a culprit.  No changes.
Tried DX 9 and DX 11
Reinstalled Windows.  Did a clean reinstall of WoW
Tried latest 275.33 Drivers.  Rolled back to 270.61.  No difference in performance.
Disabled Multi GPU
 
I need any advice on how to correct this.  I watched a youtube video of someone playing WoW with the Nvidia Reference GTX 590 and It looked amazing!  I want mine to look like that.
 
Any suggestions?
 
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/23 17:37:19 (permalink)
    Drivers and their low gpu usage.  If you monitor it with a program like Afterburner or Precision so you can see it in game, WoW is one of those wonderful, 25~45% GPU usage games for us.

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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/23 21:26:04 (permalink)
    I'm not sure if this will help you, but i'm running 2x gtx295's and was having the same kinda trouble in wow as urself. I read some where that in the nvidia control panel, changing Multi gpu rendering mode from nvidia recommended to 4-gpu alternate frame rendering 2 would fix the problem and so it did, smooth as butter. So if u have 2-gpu alternate frame rendering 2 in your setting it's worth a try, I hope it helps.

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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/23 21:33:33 (permalink)
    WoW does not play nice with SLI, try overclocking your cpu, its more CPU and HDD intensive than anything, on my GTX480 its >100fps everywhere but main cities and 25m raids where its 40-70fps (game is coded to only use 2 cores and my cpu is maxed on 2 cores)

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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 05:41:46 (permalink)
    You have to make the game run in DirectX 11 mode in the advanced settings under the graphics settings.  You need to check it after you set it to DX11 because it may revert back to DX9.  If it keeps reverting back to DX9 you have to delete your W T F folder and try it again.  This should fix the issue.  DX11 should be a noticeable increase in performance. Keep in mind you have to exit and restart the game to see.
     
    Water, a lot of fire, a lot of people, a lot of casting... all that could drop you into the 40s-70s easily.  I have hit the 40s on SLI GTX580s due to Orgrimmar a few times and tend to run BGs at 70 and up depending.
     
    Questing is anywhere between 140-260fps on ultra everything 16x AA and 8x MS. 
     
    If you want to get more FPS lower your shadow detail and turn off sunshafts.  My FPS values are with everything turned up to max.
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 07:02:33 (permalink)
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    You have to make the game run in DirectX 11 mode in the advanced settings under the graphics settings.  You need to check it after you set it to DX11 because it may revert back to DX9.  If it keeps reverting back to DX9 you have to delete your W T F folder and try it again.  This should fix the issue.  DX11 should be a noticeable increase in performance. Keep in mind you have to exit and restart the game to see.

    Water, a lot of fire, a lot of people, a lot of casting... all that could drop you into the 40s-70s easily.  I have hit the 40s on SLI GTX580s due to Orgrimmar a few times and tend to run BGs at 70 and up depending.

    Questing is anywhere between 140-260fps on ultra everything 16x AA and 8x MS. 

    If you want to get more FPS lower your shadow detail and turn off sunshafts.  My FPS values are with everything turned up to max.

     
    That's because you have low GPU usage as well.  Most titles give you better frame rate in DX9, not DX11, and neither DX9 nor DX11 for WoW enable a high % of GPU usage.
     
    The most OP can do after the basic tricks is go into his SLI profile for WoW, in nVidia Inspector, and start editing the Bits.  This usually doesn't fix anything and causes more problems, but it can be worth a try.
     
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 07:17:34 (permalink)
    I had a performance increase with DX11.  The quality and framerate was actually higher for some reason.
     
    WoW is primarily a CPU intense game, like most Blizzard games it seems, and you would probably see a higher performance boost with overclocking the CPU than anything though.
     
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/894976-DX11-The-Difference
     
    That link discusses it as well.
    post edited by HippieMagic - 2011/07/24 07:24:32
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 07:44:38 (permalink)
    This is what the OP tried:
     
    Things Ive tried. 
    Disabled HT on the I7 
    Set Preferred Performance in the Nvidia Program Profile 
    Individually decreased every graphic setting in the game attempting to find a culprit.  No changes. 
    Tried DX 9 and DX 11 
    Reinstalled Windows.  Did a clean reinstall of WoW 
    Tried latest 275.33 Drivers.  Rolled back to 270.61.  No difference in performance. 
    Disabled Multi GPU 
     
    The only time DX11 makes a huge difference in performance is when one has perhaps a CPU Bottleneck, with a powerful GPU installed, what it does is put more work load on the GPU as opposed the CPU.  There is no bottleneck in the OP's situation.  Assuming if he has OC its adequately voltaged and stable, not artificially limiting his own performance.
     
    Disabling Addons is not the solution, with the exception of a problematic one that interferes with WoW's operation.
     
    I have had both SLI 580 and SLI 590s, there is extremely low GPU usage by both DX9 and DX11.  There are also a ton of titles that also exhibit this behavior, such as Dragon Age 2, or Shift 2.  The performance can get abysmally low.
     
    The OP's rig is more than sufficient to run World of Warcraft, it is poor in game coding, poor driver support, or both.  If you monitor your GPU usage, you would see that your GPU usage fluctuates unbearably bad, between 25% to a whopping high of 45%, sometimes you can get better performance from a single card, leading me to think its a lack of SLI polish, but many 4xx/5xx users also experience it in a single card configuration.  More likely leading to drivers, since it is such a multi-title issue.
     
    I don't mean to argue, but WoW is not the only case of this.
     
    I also know I am going against the grain on this, nVidia's drivers are usually more superior to ATI/AMD, especially in the past.  While I stick think Team RED sucks when it comes to support/drivers, nVidia have not been doing so good themselves. 
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 11:09:17 (permalink)
    yeah wow just runs like total ****.  

     
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 13:18:40 (permalink)
    The wow Dx11 patch was nothing aesthetically it was done t improve performance.  If you google it most high end systems see a 30% fps increase in dx11 mode in wow.
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 14:03:04 (permalink)
    My 590 GTX got terrible performance in WoW.  Even with the processor OC'd to 4.0 ghz
     
    Other games ran crappy too, F3AR, UT2004, L4D2.
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 15:55:42 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the quick replies fellas.
    I tried forcing Alternate frame rendering 2 and still nothing improved.
    Whats boggling my mind is that others using single 500 and 400 series cards are experiencing better performance in WoW than I am.  Like I said before, even my Xfired 5870's didn't down like this.
     
    Ive ran it in single GPU mode and no improvement.
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 15:57:37 (permalink)
    I don't think WoW likes dual gpu cards much.  I have heard a lot of people complain about them.
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 16:10:41 (permalink)
    I know my card has had issues in SLI with games like crysis and fear pm. I would get half of the frames then what I would in single gpu mode. The gtx590 has its quirks sadly.
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 16:18:52 (permalink)
    did you try setting power management mode to maximum performance? i think i remember some cards down clocking fo some reason in wow and dx11. also in your windows power management set pci link to off.
     
    • fyi sli will work with wow but many people have found turning it off they got better frame rates.
    • yes, it is cpu/ram dependant not gpu.
    • any dx10.0.b card and up will run wow in dx11 mode and see some inprovement.
    • sunshaders and shadow effects are fps killers


     
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 16:43:13 (permalink)
    Shadow effects and sunshafts drop my fps around 10-20.  It isn't a HORRIBLE drop but it definitely isn't great.
     
    I would go into an empty field by yourself to see just how your performance is.  If you are running ultra you just won't see 100+ fps in a raid.  You most likely won't even see 100 in orgrimmar or stormwind... it will probably be between 30-80 in those scenarios and it MAY seem choppy.  WoW has been improved lately but it is still a really old game so it does have quirks.
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 16:52:27 (permalink)
    Try this:
    Expand a shortcut to the woW.exe with "-d3d11". Alternatively, open the "Config.****" in "\ World of Warcraft \ Beta \ ****" and add the line SET gxApi "d3d11" (with quotes)
     
    Source:
    http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/07/06/wow-cataclysm-dabbles-in-dx11/1
     
    Since the forum does not allow "W T F" it's ****'d out. It's the 4th sentence down.
     


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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 17:17:20 (permalink)
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    Try this:
    Expand a shortcut to the woW.exe with "-d3d11". Alternatively, open the "Config.****" in "\ World of Warcraft \ Beta \ ****" and add the line SET gxApi "d3d11" (with quotes)

    Source:
    http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/07/06/wow-cataclysm-dabbles-in-dx11/1

    Since the forum does not allow "W T F" it's ****'d out. It's the 4th sentence down.





    as of cata you dont need to do this as they added in game gui to turn this on and off.


     
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 18:47:14 (permalink)
    You just need to change it, restart the game, then check to see if it changed.  You MAY have to delete the W T F folder to get it to work.
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/24 23:21:51 (permalink)
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    RainStryke

    Try this:
    Expand a shortcut to the woW.exe with "-d3d11". Alternatively, open the "Config.****" in "\ World of Warcraft \ Beta \ ****" and add the line SET gxApi "d3d11" (with quotes)

    Source:
    http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/07/06/wow-cataclysm-dabbles-in-dx11/1

    Since the forum does not allow "W T F" it's ****'d out. It's the 4th sentence down.





    as of cata you dont need to do this as they added in game gui to turn this on and off.

     
    Yes, but this has worked as a fix before. Might want to give it a try.

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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/25 02:34:22 (permalink)
    Hi,
    I suggest to rebuild all your configuration files after saving your Keyboard binding.
    When done, try it in DX10 Mode. If you are satisfied, try in DX11 Mode then select the better.
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/25 02:54:54 (permalink)
    Well, there is a hack you can put into your config file to get full thread usage, I had to do it for mine since moving to Sb. Also I've found useing shadows at only half helps a lot because the game doesn't render a lot of things correctly with full shadows on. There's also a bunch of really bad add-ons that have mem leaks and other problems that will just destroy your fps. We really need the op to comeback and tell us if he's overclocking his CPU, what clock its at? We really need to know what add ons he's useing too. I'm on my phone rite now but I will comeback and post the link for how to enable all threads.

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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/25 05:46:25 (permalink)
    You can't run WOW in DX10; it only supports 11 and 9.
     
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/25 05:49:03 (permalink)
    Again, I want to add that NONE of the suggested fixes are going to work with the 590.  You're better off just selling it if you're an avid WoW player.
     
    I went back to the 580 GTX w/ 3 Gigs of RAM and I'm seeing much higher FPS then I EVER did with the 590; running single core, building custom SLi profiles, etc.
     
     
    Blizzard, will adamantly ignore any tech questions regarding the card as well.
     
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/25 06:46:10 (permalink)
    Don't run recount.  That was killing FPS for a ton of people after the 4.2 update.  I am not sure if they fixed it or not but I know it was horrible.
     
    To get an accurate FPS you have to check with all addons disabled and in an empty field.
     
    According to Tom's Hardware the 590 only gets about 90-120fps on ultra.  That honestly makes me believe a drop to 25-35 is perfectly normal under heavy conditions because I have seen 40-70 a few times with SLI 580s.  I was sort of amused at the fact that WoW ran worse than every other game I played most of the time but coming from a laptop that ran it at 5-10 fps on low I am definitely not complaining.
     
    AMD cards do run better with WoW from what I read on the support forums.  I have only experienced my aunt's PC running an AMD card and I do know that she had no issues at all running it maxed out and staying at 60fps.
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/25 06:59:35 (permalink)
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    Again, I want to add that NONE of the suggested fixes are going to work with the 590.  You're better off just selling it if you're an avid WoW player.

    I went back to the 580 GTX w/ 3 Gigs of RAM and I'm seeing much higher FPS then I EVER did with the 590; running single core, building custom SLi profiles, etc.


    Blizzard, will adamantly ignore any tech questions regarding the card as well.


    +1 hence the reason i bought a 580HC2 instead of a 590. (no 3gb at the time and the HC2 was the fastest out of the box card)
    note: wow only uses about 800-900 megs of vram w/ everything maxed on 1920x1080.


     
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/25 07:37:04 (permalink)
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    You can't run WOW in DX10; it only supports 11 and 9.



    @the op also: you used to be able to, but tbh im not sure if you still can with the newest 4.0 patches, if you manually put the flag in for it. you can either change the shortcut: -d3d10, or config file: set gxapi D3D10. when you boot the game just type:  /gxapi to check if it stuck. you can do this same trick for dx9 and dx11 also. you used to be able to switch to opengl too by useing it in your shortcut too: -opengl. all the shortcut commands should look like this when youve done it right:    "C:\Games\World of Warcraft\Wow.exe" -opengl      thats just a example....most people run wow from there public file now, so wherever your file is located. the 590 has 3gb, 1536 though per gpu, try changeing gxTextureCacheSize:1250, that may help also. if you have alll your graphics settings checked off and on full, try changeing over to enabling vertical sync with triple buffering and DISable reduce input lag no matter what your useing. for your system its not gonna do much. you can also try enabling all cpu cores in the config file too by changeing cpuaffinitymask to 1344 for your cpu. since patch 3.1 wow was optimized to use 3 main threads and many smaller ones, so your cpu will make a difference with all threads. before patch 3.1, yes, wow only used the 2 cores max. thats all i can think of at the moment man. if i can remember anything else ill let you know. :)

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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/25 08:07:35 (permalink)
    First, 266.58 are the best drivers to use on a 590 and WoW.  No idea the technical reasons why, but this has been tested by me and seems to be true each time I try (seems to average about 10-15 fps difference).
     
    I would like to give some advice on how I get these to run smooth but it really comes down to trial and error with the 590 and WoW.  Some people it runs great right out the starting gate others I've spent literally hours messing with the settings getting it to like normal play and raid play.
     
    Anyways, good luck.  I can tell you that when people ask me for suggestions of video cards and they bring up WoW as major game of choice I will lead them away from 590s most of the time.  Usually sli'd 570/580s dependent on money/availability.
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/25 12:47:44 (permalink)
    Thanks again for all the replies and advice!
    Addressing a couple questions and suggestions...
     
    CPU is overclocked to 4.08 stable with a max temp of 80C running prime for a couple hours.  Temps hit between 45C-50C while gaming.
    DX 11 is locked in and running properly, however there is no difference in performance between 9 and 11.
    Sitting in the middle of a field, or in the middle of stormwind during peak hours, with Vsync disabled, FPS average between 100-150.  Th only time I see <40 is In the molten front or raiding when there is a ton of spell casting going on.
    I am in the process of trying some suggestions with altering the config file and trying different drivers.  I'll get back soon with any new results.
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    Re:GTX 590 Classified and World of Warcraft 2011/07/25 17:15:20 (permalink)
    When setting the program file in the Nvidia control panel.  The setting "Multi-GPU rendering mode".  If set to single GPU, will that effectively run the game in single GPU mode, or is it a better route to disable multi GPU under multi GPU configuration and restart?
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