psyq321
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Hi Guys, Yesterday I got 128 GB of of M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM from Samsung (8 sticks, rated @1600 MHz, 1.35v, ECC) - which is 30nm (same as famous HCH9, which is used by the most "overclocker" brands of RAM). I wholeheartedly recommend this RAM for Xeon E5 users. In short, this RAM is >sick< - I am currently running it @2133 MHz, 1.5v CL11 stable, and I did not even bother with tweaking (just increased voltage from 1.35v to 1.5v and kept everything else @stock settings) - I am sure it can run @2133 MHz at much tighter timings, which is something I will play with in the coming days. The best part - this RAM is not just rare ECC RAM which both low-voltage and rated @1600 MHz and overclocks like a beast, it is also cheap, you can buy one 16 GB stick for $173! All in all, if you need large amounts of RAM but also need it faster than what official Xeon E5 specs allow for... go with Sammy's of M393B2G70BH0-YK0, it won't disappoint.
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/05/29 13:23:01
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Can you send me a link? Preferably from NewEgg. Might buy a few, cuz I've been needing some ECC memory.
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psyq321
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/05/29 13:29:17
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I actually bought mine in Germany (where I am right now) - and even there it was cheap. For U.S., just Google for it, Google Shopping lists several retailers having this RAM (I have no experience with any of them so I cannot recommend either). Unfortunately, NewEgg does not have this RAM at the moment.
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/05/29 14:54:38
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$173 for 16GB! Holy crap!
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/05/29 14:56:18
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geort45 $173 for 16GB! Holy crap! It's ECC-Registered memory for servers... It's not your ordinary RAM.
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/05/29 15:04:11
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He got them for his SRX right? WOuldn't they work in SR-2?
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/05/29 15:09:19
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I wrongly assumed he had an SR-X, he just said he has E5's. Humm...
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psyq321
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/05/29 15:18:26
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I don't have a SR-X yet, still using ASUS Z9PE-D8 WS, but there is no reason this RAM would not work in SR-X as it is a bog-standard ECC low-voltage RAM which is designed for Xeon E5 specs. I suppose it would also work with SR-2 but I do not have experience with Westmere Xeons and DDR3 1600 ECC RAM, so it would be better if somebody else could confirm this before somebody buys this for his SR-2 setup. The big thing about it is that it is both low-voltage >and< 1600 MHz, which is quite rare for ECC + it overclocks like crazy + it is cheap... not a bad deal after all :) @ geort45, it is cheap actually, quite - as it is an ECC RAM, and a 16 GB stick while we are at it... with all above advantages, this thing is a bargain. Not to mention that there are no 16 GB non-ECC DIMMs anyway.
post edited by psyq321 - 2012/05/29 15:21:26
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/05/29 20:49:57
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I thought ECC RAM was supposed to be more expensive, and the more "dense" DIMMS are usually the most expensive, the sweet spot now is at 4GB maybe (GB per dollar), I wouldn't have thought a giant 16GB dimm would be that cheap. Anyway, it'd be fantastic if someone confirmed they work in a SR-2 :). I also wonder if there is a 8GB version, I guess the chances for compatibility would be higher. Only downside is that I'd have to sell my current memory as it ain't ECC haha...
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/05/30 01:30:26
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psyq321
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/05/30 03:24:51
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@geort45, Yep, 4 GB DIMMs are the "sweet spot" today as they are produced in the highest quantities - but this will change soon once memory manufacturers move to 20nm. Samsung claims they will be able to keep the same price for double the RAM. Interesting thing is, Samsung also has a 1866 MHz version (!) of this RAM, which has the same number but a different suffix, not YK0 but MA, so for this 16 GB stick it is M393B2G70BH0-YMA. But this one is >very< expensive (as in $1K expensive), probably due to very low quantities as 1866 MHz is still not officially supported by any server platform. 1866 MHz stick is probably just validated YK0 running on 1.5v/1866 MHz instead of 1.35v/1600 MHz. And of course there is a 8 GB version (1600 MHz, 1.35v, ECC) - here: http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=D3-16GR8GS&c=fr&pid=515466e9134a286eb27103a0623e9e3fb5998ef74876ff63fdaf8cc24f31d4ed $70.99 a pop... @forgotton - -CH9 suffix is not low-voltage, that one runs @1.5v and 1333 MHz, so it could use lower-binned chips. Here is the 16 GB, 1600 MHz, 1.35v (-YK0 suffix): http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=D316GR16GS&c=fr&pid=515466e9134a286eb27103a0623e9e3fb5998ef74876ff63fdaf8cc24f31d4ed Those 1.35v/1600 MHz ones are probably the highest-binned modules (save the 1866 MHz $1K ones that are outrageously expensive) that come from a real RAM module manufacturer (such as Samsung). Typical "overclocker" RAM vendors such as G.Skill & Co are buying those chips in huge quantities and additionally test them at higher frequencies and package them in a nice colorful package (and charge a good fee for that service :) ) - However, experience with 30nm Samsung modules (e.g. HCH9) has shown that they are almost universally cable to run at frequencies much higher than the official specs - and in many cases all the way up to 2666 MHz. This RAM is using the same 30nm Samsung chips and the fact that it runs @1.35v at 1600 MHz is a good sign that it has a potential to be pushed up much higher.
post edited by psyq321 - 2012/05/30 03:34:20
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/05/30 03:33:18
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the point of my post was they were claiming to have found the 600$ suffix version of the chips for 170$ I showed the one in the USA that was about that price. If you really found M393B2G70BH0-YK0 for that price grab all you can and sell them to us for double lol i'm sure you'll find many usa buyers for 320$ considering the price we find lowest is 640$ about
post edited by Forgotton - 2012/05/30 03:59:12
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psyq321
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/05/30 06:45:11
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Hmm weird thing is, I got mine for 142 EUR (+19% VAT) in Germany, and this price (169 EUR) is pretty much in line with the typical USA<->Germany price "parity" (take a price in US$, change $ to EUR and it is pretty much like it) - it is from a Samsung distributor, and the RAM came in Samsung box etc... so I am quite sure this should be the right price and not some kind of a discount... There are people on ebay selling this RAM for ~$200.
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/06/04 03:34:59
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Hello all. From specification of CPU like XEON, it should be not limited to 96 GB RAM, southbridge - mem related stuff is in CPU so same CPU in other MB can use up to 384 GB RAM per CPU, E5 - 768 GB per CPU. So here is the problem only with the frequency if it can hold on a high overclock. If yes, then im can use SR-X with 192 GB RAM, but more channel used lower frequency can be used. As im reading then with 24 RAM slots officialy you use the not the 1600 MHz but only 800 MHz. there are 32 and 64 GB RAM module in production, therefore last thing for HPC can be solved. So have you some insight in populating all mem slots on SR-2 - SR-X and how colerate the ram frequency ? or better is there a way to oveclock CPU and not the mem - stability issue..... im hope you understand what want to ask :-)
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/06/04 04:15:18
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Xeon E5 CPUs support 1066/1333/1600 MHz memory speeds officially. Unofficially you can go all the way up to 2666 MHz, depending on how good your IMC is and, of course, memory. Xeon E5 supports 16 GB and 32 GB DIMMs (buffered, ECC) but also motherboard's QPI and MRC code must support it (as it is in charge of training) - so before buying those super-expensive 32 GB DIMMS one should definitely check with EVGA if they work with SR-X. Of course, if you are using full 12 DIMM slots per CPU (not on SR-X, but some Supermicro/Tyan boards support this configuration) it would probably be very dangerous to push IMC well above 1333 MHz unless you have super-quality RAM that can pull off >1600 MHz on 1.35v. Otherwise, with over-volted RAM, the load on IMC would be extremely high. Even 1.65v VDIMM is quite outside of the Intel's recommended range (which, according to Intel, should not go above 1.575v - http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/xeon-e5-1600-2600-vol-1-datasheet.pdf) I run my Samsung RAM @2133 MHz, 1.5v @CL11 but I had to raise Vsa to 1.185v to be 24h/7 stable under high memory load, which is approaching maximum recommended Vsa of 1.264v.
post edited by psyq321 - 2012/06/04 08:10:28
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/06/05 13:58:54
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hmm, Thanx. BUt more precise question is: Can SR-2 - SR-X use 32 GB Modules, overclock CPU ( 1366 ) and use standard ram frequency ? my goal is to use overclocked CPU with the 32-64 GB modules ( possible the LRDIMM ) with "standard" frequency ? im using a Photogrametry sw and it can use GPUs too, but some part of process are still single thread so need a high MHz core.....
post edited by fugatron78 - 2012/06/05 14:10:23
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/06/06 11:48:51
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M393B2G70BH0-YK0 HIHI I have take 12 piece at 160$ each :D Very thanks for all info psyq321.  I have imagine this OC capabilitise. You prouve it. ''depending on how good your IMC'' Its the problem :) I just HOPE the NUMA corecly worck with 12 dim . :(
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/06/09 05:32:30
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NUMA should work just nice with "asymmetric" memory configurations such as SR-X and the memory size available at each NUMA node can be programatically obtained from an application. The bigger question is, however, is your application friendly to such NUMA configurations. This usually works if you have over-provisioned memory size (your application uses not more than the lower memory node size of memory on the "better" node). But if you aim to use all of the memory in your application, it must be able to balance its usage properly even if the memory is "asymmetric". Even if application is unaware, OS should give memory from the other NUMA node anyway (at least, this is how Windows kernel works - if it cannot pin the virtual memory page to the NUMA node due to low physical memory condition, it will try the other NUMA node). So, in short, if the application is properly designed - your NUMA should work just fine. In the worst case, your application might run a bit slower as it is using memory from the other NUMA node. Btw, if your IMC is not coping with overclocked RAM you can try to bump the system agent voltage a bit... Be careful if you are using Xeon not to go too far above ~1.2v.
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/06/11 06:58:47
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/06/11 07:39:50
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(12x16GB) sticks for a total of 192GB of RAM was already confirmed to work with the EVGA Classified SR-X on April 25, 2012 in post #273 here: http://forums.evga.com...9&mpage=10#1565539 And with screenshots on post #276.
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MB: EVGA Classified SR-X CPU: Intel Xeon E5-2687W GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Classified x2 RAM: Kingston DDR3 32GB (4x8GB) 1600MHz Registered ECC D1G72K111K4 HDD: Samsung 850 Pro 1TB, 4x2TB WD RE4 PSU: Corsair AX1200 Gold CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Case: Aerocool Strike-X ST "SuperTower" Black Sound: Logitech Z-5500 THX Certified 5.1 
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/06/11 08:37:57
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''NUMA should work just nice with "asymmetric" memory configurations such as SR-X and the memory size available at each NUMA node can be programatically obtained from an application.'' In theorie, Yes. But I remenber some problem with SR2 and asymmetric quantity module/CPU. all cumulated ram detected, but can be use the 3 extra modules. 192GB already tested, but corectly worck in real app ? OC possiblility with IMC 8dim ... ?
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/06/19 06:16:30
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I ahve finaly recive my 12X M393B2G70BH0-YK0 But not possible to UP more than 1600 MHz... never real set 1866 or more. always stay at 1600. And the real V DIMM can t be modified yet. V CPU same with ofset option, pppff 160Mv drop + or - YEAHH tested with 13 and 14 bios. who you can OC this ram, explane me this. 12X dim = no OC possibility ?
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/06/19 10:42:28
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Did you get them for a SR-2 or SR-X? Thx :)
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Re:Samsung M393B2G70BH0-YK0 RAM (DDR3-1600, 1.35v, 16 GB sticks)
2012/06/20 01:55:50
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@ mosie, You might need to set-up memory timings (all of them) and DDR3 frequency manually in the BIOS. Same for VDimm - just put it to 1.5v for start. I used the same factory timings for 1600 MHz and put the DDR3 speed to 2133 MHz with 1.5v VDimm and it is rock-solid stable. I still use ASUS Z9PE D8 WS, but I see no reason why SR-X would not behave in the same way (unless EVGA BIOS does not allow overclocking of ECC RAM, which I doubt).
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