3oh6

overclocker333

Check out this modified OCZ phase unit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR55D2mtvqQ

looks impressive what they have done with a Cryo-Z but 400W load from that unit with a simple gas/oil change is completely laughable. online calculators != load testers, the simple fact that they are basing their advertising on that is a joke and should indicate the knowledge behind the product. in addition, when was the last time you saw anyone use Everest stability test as a means of testing a processor...its because you haven't. this thread is case in point, you aren't using Everest stability test are you?

like Dr. Nip said, i am not trying to rain on anyone's parade but false advertising shouldn't be celebrated and spread. they also say "run your system at 5GHz 24/7"...they surely can't be serious because very few chips will do that, without a cascade actually capable of a 400W load at -90C, unless they mean just sitting there idling.

just for comparison, i have a Chilly1 SS (with an equal or better compressor/condenser/evap than the Cryo-Z) which has been re-gassed and tuned for a 220W load (actually tuned on a load tester like all real phase builders do), and 4.8GHz @ 1.4125v ran the requirements for this thread...

*removed because i don't want to be listed, just showing the screen for comparison sake...the questions about cooling have already started, and i don't want to be a source of contention*



you can see temps got up to 30C under load with evap temp around -20C at the warmest during the run. this is with HT off, with HT on, forget about it as the heat just kills the unit. now this W3540 is a high leagage chip and about the equivilant to a cooler running chip for heat at the same clocks with 1.6v...but this is max 220W as that is all this unit can handle.  anything over 220W and it goes in the tank fast.

again, not trying to be jerk or crush anyone's feelings but just saying their methodology and claims are a little extravagant. i am definitely interested in seeing what the unit can do once you get it though overclocker333. just keep your expectations in check is all i am suggesting.

overclocker333

DrNip

I dunno.  For $800 I would get a F1EE pot and a dewar.  Forget trying to run 5ghz 24/7 as the seller is trying to sell you.  Sounds good on paper but what is the benefit of running that fast 24/7?  You would get more use and higher clocks out of the LN2 setup.  Not to mention your electricity bill will love you.  Then you might as well cancel out the 5.2ghz video.  At those temps that is about all you'll be able to do, boot into Windows and that is if you are lucky.  Forget about trying to run a bench.  Not trying to rain on any parades just my opinion.

With all due respect "Doc"... phase and LN2 are apples and oranges.  You can't just flip a switch and be up and running with LN2... or  keep it in a case for that matter.  Benefits of running high clocks 24/7... rendering and crunching to name a few.  I do Raytrace renders that can takeover 12hrs... I cant do that with LN2.
 
 
 

3oh6

overclocker333

Check out this modified OCZ phase unit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR55D2mtvqQ

looks impressive what they have done with a Cryo-Z but 400W load from that unit with a simple gas/oil change is completely laughable. online calculators != load testers, the simple fact that they are basing their advertising on that is a joke and should indicate the knowledge behind the product. in addition, when was the last time you saw anyone use Everest stability test as a means of testing a processor...its because you haven't. this thread is case in point, you aren't using Everest stability test are you?

 
Granted... Everest does not produce the same temps as Prime95 let alone the bugged LinX stress test... so I am curious what it will do.  It is re-gassed with three different gasses... not just one... he's not saying what gasses they are... some are better than others as I'm sure you know.  Also... he has modified the condensor fans.
 
 

3oh6

like Dr. Nip said, i am not trying to rain on anyone's parade but false advertising shouldn't be celebrated and spread. they also say "run your system at 5GHz 24/7"...they surely can't be serious because very few chips will do that, without a cascade actually capable of a 400W load at -90C, unless they mean just sitting there idling.

 
I don't think he is advertising falsely... he is showing you what he has done with an i7 975... looks like to me he is stable on Everest... we will see how it does on Prime95... the way LinX is performing at the higher clocks... I'm not sure it will be a good test.

 
 

3oh6
just for comparison, i have a Chilly1 SS (with an equal or better compressor/condenser/evap than the Cryo-Z) which has been re-gassed and tuned for a 220W load (actually tuned on a load tester like all real phase builders do), and 4.8GHz @ 1.4125v ran the requirements for this thread...

3oh6  Xeon W3540 BATCH# 3845B010  HT OFF
CPU clocked at: 4818.0 MHz   
Voltage: 1.4125 (VDroop Disabled) 
Idle temp: -?,-?,-?,-? 
Load temp: 34,30,27,22
Cooling: Chilly1 SS Tuned by Ruffus



you can see temps got up to 30C under load with evap temp around -20C at the warmest during the run. this is with HT off, with HT on, forget about it as the heat just kills the unit. now this W3540 is a high leagage chip and about the equivilant to a cooler running chip for heat at the same clocks with 1.6v...but this is max 220W as that is all this unit can handle.  anything over 220W and it goes in the tank fast.

 
If your running 30*c then he is not far of running at 40*c - 50*c as long as it holds.  He has tuned this for stability... not max temps.  Also... what gas and how much is yours charged with?  The more you put in... the more heat it can disapate. 

3oh6
again, not trying to be jerk or crush anyone's feelings but just saying their methodology and claims are a little extravagant. i am definitely interested in seeing what the unit can do once you get it though overclocker333. just keep your expectations in check is all i am suggesting.

 
Well we will know next week... my  main concern is if the compressor will last... he says it looks like a Danfoss without the markings... I don't think it is.

overclocker333

DrNip

I dunno.  For $800 I would get a F1EE pot and a dewar.  Forget trying to run 5ghz 24/7 as the seller is trying to sell you.  Sounds good on paper but what is the benefit of running that fast 24/7?  You would get more use and higher clocks out of the LN2 setup.  Not to mention your electricity bill will love you.  Then you might as well cancel out the 5.2ghz video.  At those temps that is about all you'll be able to do, boot into Windows and that is if you are lucky.  Forget about trying to run a bench.  Not trying to rain on any parades just my opinion.

With all due respect "Doc"... phase and LN2 are apples and oranges.  You can't just flip a switch and be up and running with LN2... or  keep it in a case for that matter.  Benefits of running high clocks 24/7... rendering and crunching to name a few.  I do Raytrace renders that can takeover 12hrs... I cant do that with LN2.
 
 
 

3oh6

overclocker333

Check out this modified OCZ phase unit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR55D2mtvqQ

looks impressive what they have done with a Cryo-Z but 400W load from that unit with a simple gas/oil change is completely laughable. online calculators != load testers, the simple fact that they are basing their advertising on that is a joke and should indicate the knowledge behind the product. in addition, when was the last time you saw anyone use Everest stability test as a means of testing a processor...its because you haven't. this thread is case in point, you aren't using Everest stability test are you?

 
Granted... Everest does not produce the same temps as Prime95 let alone the bugged LinX stress test... so I am curious what it will do.  It is re-gassed with three different gasses... not just one... he's not saying what gasses they are... some are better than others as I'm sure you know.  Also... he has modified the condensor fans.
 
 

3oh6

like Dr. Nip said, i am not trying to rain on anyone's parade but false advertising shouldn't be celebrated and spread. they also say "run your system at 5GHz 24/7"...they surely can't be serious because very few chips will do that, without a cascade actually capable of a 400W load at -90C, unless they mean just sitting there idling.

 
I don't think he is advertising falsely... he is showing you what he has done with an i7 975... looks like to me he is stable on Everest... we will see how it does on Prime95... the way LinX is performing at the higher clocks... I'm not sure it will be a good test.

 
 

3oh6
just for comparison, i have a Chilly1 SS (with an equal or better compressor/condenser/evap than the Cryo-Z) which has been re-gassed and tuned for a 220W load (actually tuned on a load tester like all real phase builders do), and 4.8GHz @ 1.4125v ran the requirements for this thread...

3oh6  Xeon W3540 BATCH# 3845B010  HT OFF
CPU clocked at: 4818.0 MHz   
Voltage: 1.4125 (VDroop Disabled) 
Idle temp: -?,-?,-?,-? 
Load temp: 34,30,27,22
Cooling: Chilly1 SS Tuned by Ruffus



you can see temps got up to 30C under load with evap temp around -20C at the warmest during the run. this is with HT off, with HT on, forget about it as the heat just kills the unit. now this W3540 is a high leagage chip and about the equivilant to a cooler running chip for heat at the same clocks with 1.6v...but this is max 220W as that is all this unit can handle.  anything over 220W and it goes in the tank fast.

 
If your running 30*c then he is not far of running at 40*c - 50*c as long as it holds.  He has tuned this for stability... not max temps.  Also... what gas and how much is yours charged with?  The more you put in... the more heat it can disapate. 

3oh6
again, not trying to be jerk or crush anyone's feelings but just saying their methodology and claims are a little extravagant. i am definitely interested in seeing what the unit can do once you get it though overclocker333. just keep your expectations in check is all i am suggesting.

 
Well we will know next week... my  main concern is if the compressor will last... he says it looks like a Danfoss without the markings... I don't think it is.

3oh6

overclocker333

That is one sad attitude you got there man.

#1 - the 975 is nothing special, and this has been proven time and time again by actual professional overclockers so many times.
#2 - who cares about some ranking.  I've seen people posting better results on forums than many results on HWBOT but never ranking them on HWBOT or anywhere else.  Really a lame attempt at belittling everyone.
#3 - you clearly have no clue on how to run a business.  I swear I ought to put this over on XS and we'll see how many customers you will get then.

Word of advice, refrain from posting back and good on you for knowing how to "have rock solid 5GHz 24/7".  We're not interested, though we would appreciate if you let us know who is doing calculations with your system so we can put them into the failed analysis pile.

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seconded completely.

custombuiltcomputers

you know, one is always alone when your on top

wow, again, you are proving your case on how little you actually know about what you are talking. a tuned Cryo-Z does not make you 'on top', a bullshyt old and dated HWBot ranking does not make you 'on top', the only thing on top is your arrogance, ignorance, and disrespect for the members of this forum and overclockers everywhere that do it because they enjoy what they do...not so they can sit 'on top' and act like jerks to those below them.

i'm done, guys, ignore this fool and keep doing what you are doing in the LinX stability thread. phase change, LN2, dry ice, radiators hanging out of open windows in the middle of winter, or 4GHz stable on basic air cooling setup is all the same in my books...its overclocking

3oh6

overclocker333

That is one sad attitude you got there man.

#1 - the 975 is nothing special, and this has been proven time and time again by actual professional overclockers so many times.
#2 - who cares about some ranking.  I've seen people posting better results on forums than many results on HWBOT but never ranking them on HWBOT or anywhere else.  Really a lame attempt at belittling everyone.
#3 - you clearly have no clue on how to run a business.  I swear I ought to put this over on XS and we'll see how many customers you will get then.

Word of advice, refrain from posting back and good on you for knowing how to "have rock solid 5GHz 24/7".  We're not interested, though we would appreciate if you let us know who is doing calculations with your system so we can put them into the failed analysis pile.

<message edited by dejanh on 0 mins. ago>

seconded completely.

custombuiltcomputers

you know, one is always alone when your on top

wow, again, you are proving your case on how little you actually know about what you are talking. a tuned Cryo-Z does not make you 'on top', a bullshyt old and dated HWBot ranking does not make you 'on top', the only thing on top is your arrogance, ignorance, and disrespect for the members of this forum and overclockers everywhere that do it because they enjoy what they do...not so they can sit 'on top' and act like jerks to those below them.

i'm done, guys, ignore this fool and keep doing what you are doing in the LinX stability thread. phase change, LN2, dry ice, radiators hanging out of open windows in the middle of winter, or 4GHz stable on basic air cooling setup is all the same in my books...its overclocking

custombuiltcomputers

I am in no means trying to pitch my product!!!!

Just defending against posts that have no back up to them..

I certainly dont need this forum to stay in business

Lets hear from some members who have built modded phase units or even a cascade.

dejanh

Why are you guys feeding this troll?

DrNip

Good call on editing your post as they were making you look pretty bad man.