SR-2 system worth the investment??

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2012/08/04 12:13:03 (permalink)
would building an SR-2 system be worth the investment now since the 1366 socket is aging?
 
I cant afford to do an SR-X or a 4p system. If i were to build a multi cpu system, it would need to be worth while and be able to run -big advantage for a while.
 
i know the limit is 16 cores, so i would need 6 core cpus with a decent OC to be able to make deadlines. Im just worried that after another round of spec bump requirement from stanford, the SR-2 wont be capable of running -bigadv. 
 
Just looking for some opinions on this
 
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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/04 12:34:52 (permalink)
    I do nok think that anyone but stanford know what will happen with the folding-point system in the future..
    As I see it, it is a luck of draw.
    I think the best thing to is start building a 4P system, but start out with 1 or 2 CPUs if you can't afford 4..
    That's what I would do. (I assume this will be a 24/7-folding rig).

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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/04 12:47:40 (permalink)
    I think that stanford will raise the requirements again, its only logical as hardware capabilities increase.
     
    and this would probably turn into a mostly folding machine and be used for gaming whenever i game, which is a few hours a week. 

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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/04 15:50:04 (permalink)
    You could go to a 2P Opteron system with 24 cores which should meet the requirements for a while.  Then you could move the CPUs to a 4P board down the road if you felt like it.
     
    I just happen to have a 2P 24-core system for sale.    I always prefer selling to a good EVGA folding home.

      
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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/04 16:07:14 (permalink)
    From what I have read lately, if you are thinking about going multi-processor, you're best off going 4-proc AMD .
    Most 4 proc AMD boards will operate with 2 CPUs installed.   Allows you to start off with just 2 cpus and add another 2 later if starting cost is an issue.
    That said, I'm not up to speed on what upgrade options are available regarding future AMD chips.
    Perhaps someone with some knowledge of current/future AMD cpu upgrade paths could chime in........
     


     
     
      
                                   
     
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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/04 16:26:06 (permalink)
    my issue with the 4p system is...If this computer were to become my only system, so i would game and whatever else on it, and it would fold the rest of the time. Would it perform well for gaming and such?
     
    Most of the 4p boards that i have seen dont appear to have many pci-e 2.0 slots to support gpus. 

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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/04 16:34:31 (permalink)
    Most server boards have a few PCIe slots but they aren't really arranged to make it convenient to use a large GPU card (for example fastest slot is RIGHT NEXT to a CPU socket).  Would SLI even work on a server board?
    I think it would be awkward to use it for both folding and gaming.  With the quick return bonus, it doesn't make any sense to pause a WU, so you'd have to adjust your gaming schedule around when WUs complete.  If you decided not to run bigadv, the WU would end faster, but then you wouldn't be tapping the potential of the hardware.

      
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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/04 16:43:06 (permalink)
    right, i dont game that much, just a few hours a week, so it would effect a wu here and there but most would complete uninhibited.
     
    I do use Surround with 3 screens so i would need a high powered card or swap over my 2 580s from my current rig

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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/04 21:06:12 (permalink)
    Hey,
     
    I have both but they both run linux, and I use an older windows system for personal use. 
     
    If you are going to use either for folding I am not sure how bigadv is on windows side points wise, so can't help you there.
     
    On linux I get around 160,000 ppd on my SR2 X5650's at 4 ghz 8101 (22m 32s).  4P I am getting around 323,500 ppd (14m 14s) 6174's (stock) . 
     
    However, on a "personal use" basis the SR2 smokes the 4P systems.  4ghz Intel is much, much more responsive than 2ghz AMD.

     
     


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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/04 21:35:33 (permalink)
    If interested I will be putting my sr-2 in the for sale thread in a day or 3. Dual 5645's. Will help with all warranties.

     
              
                 
      


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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/04 22:45:38 (permalink)
    i will be curious to see your pricing...
     
    I will say that i probably cant swing sr-2 and dual cpus all at once. I have a good job now but still a bunch of bills and student loans...
     
     

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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/05 05:04:08 (permalink)
    I'm also looking to go sr2 now. Even if stanford raise the requirement for -bigadv, the sr2 may still pump out some good PPD.


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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/07 15:04:25 (permalink)
    While i ponder this investment, can you even get the -bigadv units in  windows anymore? or do you have to use linux?

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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/07 18:21:25 (permalink)
    cblaxx

    While i ponder this investment, can you even get the -bigadv units in  windows anymore? or do you have to use linux?


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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/07 18:29:02 (permalink)
    well, that seals it. I cant run linux, i would need this to be my main computer, so it would need windows, and if i cant do -bigadv with it, its not really worth the investment for me. I cant afford to run a separate rig just for folding, power costs too much. 
     
    thanks for all of the help everyone!!

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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/08 20:20:25 (permalink)
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    well, that seals it. I cant run linux, i would need this to be my main computer, so it would need windows, and if i cant do -bigadv with it, its not really worth the investment for me. I cant afford to run a separate rig just for folding, power costs too much. 

    thanks for all of the help everyone!!


    You could consider running Windows as the main OS with a vmware virtual machine with linux for folding. It maybe more complex to setup at first, but if your only going to have one box, this might be just what your looking for.

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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/09 04:32:02 (permalink)
    Yep, VMware is what I've read is the answer to that situation.  I need to investigate doing that too, because my SR-2 is also a daily driver of many things and can't be dedicated to just Linux.  That's the main reason that I only run standard SMP on my SR-2 instead of Bigadvs.  I still need access to Windows for other applications and of course gaming.  The SR-2 is one heck of a multifunction rig, especially if you run apps that can take advantage of the multi-sockets.  So, I hope you can find a way to put one to use CB! 



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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/09 04:33:42 (permalink)
    that is a good idea. i had forgotten about that. But i think that i am going to wait a little while. maybe next year ill build a multi cpu system from scratch with my upgrade money. Im putting a bit away each paycheck for it. 

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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/09 04:47:35 (permalink)
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    maybe next year ill build a multi cpu system from scratch with my upgrade money. Im putting a bit away each paycheck for it. 

    Yep, that has been my method for accumulating $'s for things over many years.  A little patience and self control pays-off in the end. 



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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/09 06:40:25 (permalink)
    if you can set it up in Dual boot rather than Virtual OS you will get slightly more performance 
     
    doesn't require much just a small partition enough for OS and swap
    can even be run on a usb stick

     
       


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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/09 08:12:21 (permalink)
    If I'm reading correctly what CB wants to do, a dual-boot installation would not be the solution to his need.  He would have to stop the Bigadv in Linux and reboot into Windows every time he needed to use a Win application.  VMware (from what I've read) is the only kind of tool that will allow you to run both Linux and Windows at the same time.  Checking on that product today, it appears that you need to budget for another $200 for the Desktop version of VM.  I do see that you can download a trial version to test-drive it which is good.



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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/09 08:17:47 (permalink)
    i thought VM player was free, but perhaps I can get it for free, or perhaps by the time i build this machine windows will be -bigadv compatible again...

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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/09 08:47:54 (permalink)
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    i thought VM player was free, but perhaps I can get it for free, or perhaps by the time i build this machine windows will be -bigadv compatible again...

    You are correct.  I just got off the phone with a fella at VMware.  The VMware Player is totally free and is in fact best suited for what we want to do with Windows and Linux.  He uses it at home for the same reasons on his personal PC.  He shared that you can install it just like any other application within an existing Windows installation, no changes to the master boot record, and no dual-booting stuff.  I'm gonna give it a try if nothing else just to educate myself a bit.
     
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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/09 11:02:11 (permalink)
    Caution, the free vmware player only allows either 4 or 8 cores depending on the version.  virtual box is the one you want as it allows upto 24 cores

      


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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/09 11:11:30 (permalink)
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    Caution, the free vmware player only allows either 4 or 8 cores depending on the version.  virtual box is the one you want as it allows upto 24 cores

    I'm just discovering that limitation (with VM Player) as we speak.  The Max cores I can select on an SR-2 system is (4).  No good for Folding as the standard SMP WU I'm running right now has TPFs in the 9min range instead of sub 2min as it should be for this Rig.  No go on VMWare from what I'm seeing.
     
    Nathan,  what about the concerns that are oft reported about Vbox not supporting symmetric multiprocessing?  Is that still an issue with Vbox?



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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/09 11:15:41 (permalink)
    You'll want to do the VirtualBox for Folding use this Folding Images Installation Guide
    very helpful  was quick an easy to setup.
     
    You can see my SR2 in action here using the method above. 

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    Re:SR-2 system worth the investment?? 2012/08/09 13:23:30 (permalink)
    Vbox has been used up to 24 threads without issue, i'm not sure if anyone has pushed it to 32 or more yet

      


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