Is that one of our ex big hitters?

texinga

I dunno...if we have lost guys in our Top 50, I don't recall hearing from them here or over at [H] on the back-end.  I read their forum just about every day and haven't seen it, but maybe I've missed something.

I am speaking from 1st hand knowledge as they both told me personally their plans the last week of our competition. I will not name them as they need to do that on their own. There are still active here and very well liked. My mention of it was only as another way to offer a portion of why we are no longer holding the lead.
 
And frankly, and politely, good for them I think it is wonderful to find a way to give back even more. It is not about the team you are on really. While that is nice and can carry some pride and or a way to show appreciation... It is not about the team. It is about the giving. If anyone moves around I hope it is a better place for them and F@H.
 
As far as I am concerned they are still family, they just chose to wave a different flag. I hope they return one day with their new found knowledge and spirit.

While it is a troublesome trend, let it not distract us and cause tension within our team. We need to come together and push forward no matter where we fall in the standings. 
 
We have the CC coming up very quickly. Lets rally the troops and see what kind of numbers we can put up during the contest. 
 
Fold on brothers. 

I think a lot of the problem results in the fact that EVGA is low level and a lot of GPUs folding. The changes at PG would affect such teams more significantly. The 40% drop in PPD from the new WUs on the GPU end are killing me, not to mention the fact that the rash of 76XX (R,C0,G ) stall and reassign endlessly have one to two of my fermi's down for folding at any given time.
 
It's a crappilly programmed project to say the least.

They can't punish a whole team for one person's claims that may or may not be true for the rest of the team.  But, Stanford wouldn't do that anyway, for fear of losing the top 20 members of [H] that comprise 2/3 of their PPD.
 
When someone from OCN goes over to the [H]ardforum and talks about the "core hack" (which ironically was invented by an [H] top 10 folder), they jump all over him, but when one of their own uses similar techniques, they just ignore it.  There is a word for that, and it starts with [H].
 
Relevance to the original topic - why should we care about being caught by a team that does such things?

jimmycricket

zildjian75

TRADERS!!!  Off with theirs heads!!!! 

trad·er    [trey-der] Show IPA
noun 1. a person who trades;  a merchant or businessperson.

2. a ship used in trade,  especially foreign trade.

3. a member of a stock exchange trading  privately and not on behalf of customers.


Example Sentences
Noun
Trader, or effect transactions directly or indirectly for a large trader where a non-broker-dealer carries the account. Dave collects antiques, but by profession he's an iron-and-steel commodities trader. He trades the old-fashioned way, phoning orders in to a licensed trader who jumps into action at the sound of his voice. He appealed to the farmer and small trader as no one else could. One trader fainted from exhaustion, was revived and put back to work. We can compare the poker player to the stock trader. If someone is looking to sell a stock, for example, then a bank trader may be willing to buy it. No two characters seem more inconsistent than those of trader and sovereign. The desire to show that you are a match for the star trader next door, or the bank in the next town, will do. The easiest example here is if a trader's long-term positions go bad.

 

 
I'm an idiot...!!!...
 
Traitors!!!  Off with their heads!!!!
 

Punchy

I lost a lot of respect for [H] when grandpa admitted that "some or all" of their MP systems are using various hacks to avoid getting 8101's, and nobody there really took a strong stand against him.

 
Well I see one of the three amigos is up to it again, stirring the pot a little are we punchy . If you are going to quote me you need to quote me not just the part you want. Here let me do it for you. Where does it say I am running any hacks ? It does not Hmmmm a little thread manipulation maybe. Will I use any, maybe, I did say ( Some of the MP rigs or all will be running the core hack or other work around ) do you see the word will in there to most that means future, not present when used in that context. I do not believe what Stanford did was right they forced the MP rigs 16 cores or better to run 8101 and nothing else, while leaving the 6901 - 6904 for lesser rigs 15 cores or less, the 8101's are harder to run my avg temp goes up 8C and I have to drop the OC by 20 to 30 Mhz to run them and they have a lesser value. My rigs have no problem running any other WU's. So what was right about that.
 
With this move they also eliminated allot of 16 core rigs from running bigadv while still allowing lesser rigs to run them 8 4core I7's which use the core hack and Gulfies. Basically what Stanford did was tell the MP rigs to "Take A Hike". I have been very up front with Stanford I have told them how I felt and what my plans are. I am not trying to hide anything from them or anybody else. I am currently not using any kind of hack but that does not mean I will not and Stanford will know the minuet that I do, I will inform them when and if I start. If they so choose to to tell me to stop then we will see what happens from there. But 1 thing about it punchy I will be open and honest about what I say and do (unlike some I know) I will not manipulate any threads to suite my needs (unlike some I know) and anything I will do will be discussed with Stanford not you.
 
And by the way the real explanation is in there as to why the [H] production is going up. And to those EVGA members that saw through punchy's BS I say thanks after all we all are folding for the same thing a cure or treatment to many awful ailments. I have been doing this for a long time and will continue to do so for a long time to come. The points race is fun the folding is serious and a wonderful thing to do for man kind fold on and thanks for helping the cause.

Limp Gawd, 11 Months
 
Status:  

Probably will not notice it due to recent additions to the team Atlas / tear is back on line it looks like core32 may have added a little something ChelseaOilmans recent addition of some faster chips and that is just the ones I know of. Some of the MP rigs or all will be running the core hack or other work around. It is probably enough to maintain our daily production at least for a while. or maybe even increase it. But it is mainly due to increased cpu cycles. If all of these thing were not happening then the production would probably decrease somewhere around 10% to 15%
__________________
Folding rigs
3 - 6174 - 4P @ 2.5Ghz - 2.6Ghz
2 - 980X @ 4.4Ghz
3 - 970 @ 4.25Ghz
1 - 2700K 4.8Ghz, GTX 580
1 - ASUS G73JH Laptop 740QM @ 2Ghz, ATI 5870M

To try and change the direction of this thread a bit, what would it take for us to at least match their progress?
 
How much PPD do we need to match them so we arent overtaken but are able to maintain our lead and gap?
 
Lets say I wanted to build a server system solely dedicated to folding, what would be the best route to go and how many PPD could I achieve without an OC? I know there are some quad socket cpu boards out there, but would it be better to go with a dual socket with more PCIe sockets for GPU's or 1 PCIe socket for a GPU and 4 CPU's?

Amaruk

JaskarnSidhu 

Lets say I wanted to build a server system solely dedicated to folding, what would be the best route to go and how many PPD could I achieve without an OC? I know there are some quad socket cpu boards out there, but would it be better to go with a dual socket with more PCIe sockets for GPU's or 1 PCIe socket for a GPU and 4 CPU's?

For bigadv, 4P AMD and the fastest 61xx chips you can get your hands on.

 
I was looking at newegg.ca and I found a 4 CPU server board, but it only supported the AMD 6100 series CPU's, which are only up to 12 cores. That board also only offers 1 PCIe x16 slot.
I looked at another server board, a dual CPU one that supported AMD's newest 6200 series server chips, and they are 16 cores. This board also offered 2 PCIe x16 slots.
 
The difference between the two is 12 cores and 1 PCIe x16 slot. Assuming the GPU slots for each board are all filled using 6990's (AMD/ATI's dual GPU video card), which would produce more PPD and by how much?

JaskarnSidhu

I was looking at newegg.ca and I found a 4 CPU server board, but it only supported the AMD 6100 series CPU's, which are only up to 12 cores. That board also only offers 1 PCIe x16 slot.
I looked at another server board, a dual CPU one that supported AMD's newest 6200 series server chips, and they are 16 cores. This board also offered 2 PCIe x16 slots.

The difference between the two is 12 cores and 1 PCIe x16 slot. Assuming the GPU slots for each board are all filled using 6990's (AMD/ATI's dual GPU video card), which would produce more PPD and by how much?

61xx are better for folding anyway, because they have better floating point support, use less power, and they are cheaper.
If you are simply looking for points, and don't care about the projects you work on, then don't put any GPUs in the system.
 
You should really only consider a Supermicro H8QG* motherboard, as they are the only boards overclockable at the moment, via a custom BIOS developed by tear with help from others at [H].  wiredzone.com is a good place to start.

JaskarnSidhu

Wouldnt adding a GPU if there is a PCIe slot for it help anyways? I mean if its there and utilized it would increase the PPD wouldnt it, or would it reduce the amount of PPD's you'd get?

No, the nonlinear nature of the bonus curve means that the slowdown caused by the GPUs is likely to lose you more SMP points than the GPUs make.

It also come from SMP needing the same speed on all threads. So a slowdown on one thread/core is multiplied by 48 on a 4P rig.

Xavier Zepherious

Thx to everyone from the horde that came to visit us to clear up some things. Thankfully I hope you won't use it or discuss any hack again

Core hacks shouldn't even be discussed at all by any team
even if it's only a script hack...what about the next one?

what if a hack actually changes the core code - and this invalidates the science 
Im pretty sure Stanford would be really PO'd
Imagine if they had to dump 2 years or research and the complete waste of Millions of dollars because of it

I think they would come down really hard on those that use it, or any team.

come on guys this is about the science not our little game of king of the hill. Why should some kid or hacker wreck the entire project or research because he wants to cheat and be on top.

There's your answer
Folding has always been about being King of the Hill

Afterburner
Man I hope this is just a misunderstanding... 

I believe it is just that...a misunderstanding.  HardOCP is doing so well right now because they have invested in the hardware to achieve it and via some very fortunate power-Folding additions to their team.  EVGA is in a state of points decline because of the reasons already shared by our own members.  We will be our own worst enemy if we focus on negativity, calling out people (either here or at [H]), etc.  Rather than be at odds with a brother power team, we should build bridges to them and we should help each other be better Folders.  There is so much cross knowledge available between these two great teams and we both should take advantage of each others knowledge base.  Let the chips fall where they may as to who is #1 in overall points and leave it at that IMO.

ATGSteakHouse

Glad Punchy caught this - hopefully [H] members will refrain from using these tactics with this in the spotlight now.

I highly doubt it
Without knowing who's doing it they wouldn't stop because no one would know who's they are and noway to stop them
I wouldn't be surprised if there are members here doing it