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2011/03/20 11:40:28 (permalink)
I really know nothing about the xbox 360 or xbox live, and have never wanted one till I saw this game:

And it looks really fun! :D
Thing is it's only on xbox, and download only, so I'd need an xbox 360 and a live account (I guess). I'm not going to buy a new xbox for such a game (would rather just have the old xbox but apparently live doesn't work on it anymore?).
Anyway, the questions are: if I buy a used 360, can I make my own live account to get this game with? if not, what do I need to do?
I found a local ad for a $75 used 360 that says "complete, works ,,  five games n three controllers one is wireless,, moving so need the cash" idk does it sound pretty cheap to you guys, like suspiciously so? or is that price not surprising?
Thanks in advance for any help :)

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 12:34:21 (permalink)
    Couple things you need to know before you buy that XBOX is if it's been banned from XBOX live. If the user has modified it in any way like for playing burned games you will not be able to go on XBOX Live with it. The console's MAC ID address has been banned and will not be able to get online ever if so. Another thing is (and unfortunately this one is almost impossible to tell) is if it's had the "red ring of death" error and has been repaired and if so what method to repair it did they use? If it's been serviced and properly fixed it may me OK but if they used the "towel trick" to essentially overheat it and force a reset of the console then you're just buying a ticking time bomb as it will eventually get the RROD again.
     
    There are ways to minimize the risk by simply asking what the manufacture date is for the XBOX 360. If it's after August of 2008 it's a "Jasper" chipset and uses both 65nm CPU & GPU and have been far more reliable than the earlier revisions and didn't suffer nearly as many RROD issues. The newest revision is the "Vejle" chipset and is only in the XBOX S models and uses an integrated 45nm CPU & GPU. If the manufacture date is earlier than 8/2008 I would leave it alone to be honest.
     
    As for XBOX Live, yes you can make an account and be off ready to play, but in order to download demos and games from the marketplace you need a Gold membership, and for that you have to pay for it. There are several options you can be billed at from monthly to yearly.

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 14:23:05 (permalink)
    Well that gold membership thing kinda sucks, especially since I'm only really interested in those types of exclusive games :/
    Thanks for the reply, even with RROD I'd figure out something to fix it (even if it meant cutting a hole to mount a heatsink :P) but $60 per year for that service is a real turn off...

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 14:59:00 (permalink)
    Yes, paying for it sucks but it's better than the PSN online experience. There is significantly less lag on XBL than PSN.
     
    I have both and the difference is quite noticeable in games like Super Street Fighter 4 and COD Black Ops for instance.

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 15:03:14 (permalink)
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    Yes, paying for it sucks but it's better than the PSN online experience. There is significantly less lag on XBL than PSN.

    I have both and the difference is quite noticeable in games like Super Street Fighter 4 and COD Black Ops for instance.

    That is actually false the amount of lag for the PSN is the same for XBL
     
     
    Those that can afford XBL subscription fees usually have faster internet than those who play on PSN and those who use PSN don't even use the Gigabit input instead use the 75Mbps Wireless-G connection built into the PS3

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 15:42:49 (permalink)
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    Yes, paying for it sucks but it's better than the PSN online experience. There is significantly less lag on XBL than PSN.

    I have both and the difference is quite noticeable in games like Super Street Fighter 4 and COD Black Ops for instance.

    That is actually false the amount of lag for the PSN is the same for XBL


    Those that can afford XBL subscription fees usually have faster internet than those who play on PSN and those who use PSN don't even use the Gigabit input instead use the 75Mbps Wireless-G connection built into the PS3

     
    Did you even bother to read what I typed? I own BOTH systems and for clarification both are hardwired. The latency of the network is definitely not the same, it's far from it in fact. I'm an avid Super Street Fighter 4 player and in this game which requires precise timing to hit your "1 frame" links for combos you can literally "feel" the difference on the PSN vs XBL. For instance on PSN even a 5 green bar connection in SSF4 plays like a 4 yellow bar connection on XBL.

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 15:44:56 (permalink)
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    CraptacularOne

    Yes, paying for it sucks but it's better than the PSN online experience. There is significantly less lag on XBL than PSN.

    I have both and the difference is quite noticeable in games like Super Street Fighter 4 and COD Black Ops for instance.

    That is actually false the amount of lag for the PSN is the same for XBL


    Those that can afford XBL subscription fees usually have faster internet than those who play on PSN and those who use PSN don't even use the Gigabit input instead use the 75Mbps Wireless-G connection built into the PS3


    Did you even bother to read what I typed? I own BOTH systems and for clarification both are hardwired. The latency of the network is definitely not the same, it's far from it in fact. I'm an avid Super Street Fighter 4 player and in this game which requires precise timing to hit your "1 frame" links for combos you can literally "feel" the difference on the PSN vs XBL. For instance on PSN even a 5 green bar connection in SSF4 plays like a 4 yellow bar connection on XBL.

     
    Post-purchase rationailization
     
    You think you are getting a better connection because you are spending more when in fact you are getting the same
    Get over it

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 15:48:21 (permalink)
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    seronx

    CraptacularOne

    Yes, paying for it sucks but it's better than the PSN online experience. There is significantly less lag on XBL than PSN.

    I have both and the difference is quite noticeable in games like Super Street Fighter 4 and COD Black Ops for instance.

    That is actually false the amount of lag for the PSN is the same for XBL


    Those that can afford XBL subscription fees usually have faster internet than those who play on PSN and those who use PSN don't even use the Gigabit input instead use the 75Mbps Wireless-G connection built into the PS3


    Did you even bother to read what I typed? I own BOTH systems and for clarification both are hardwired. The latency of the network is definitely not the same, it's far from it in fact. I'm an avid Super Street Fighter 4 player and in this game which requires precise timing to hit your "1 frame" links for combos you can literally "feel" the difference on the PSN vs XBL. For instance on PSN even a 5 green bar connection in SSF4 plays like a 4 yellow bar connection on XBL.


    Post-purchase rationailization

    You think you are getting a better connection because you are spending more when in fact you are getting the same
    Get over it

    No, it's called a direct comparison of one network vs another, learn to read
     

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 15:53:19 (permalink)
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    seronx

    CraptacularOne

    seronx

    CraptacularOne

    Yes, paying for it sucks but it's better than the PSN online experience. There is significantly less lag on XBL than PSN.

    I have both and the difference is quite noticeable in games like Super Street Fighter 4 and COD Black Ops for instance.

    That is actually false the amount of lag for the PSN is the same for XBL


    Those that can afford XBL subscription fees usually have faster internet than those who play on PSN and those who use PSN don't even use the Gigabit input instead use the 75Mbps Wireless-G connection built into the PS3


    Did you even bother to read what I typed? I own BOTH systems and for clarification both are hardwired. The latency of the network is definitely not the same, it's far from it in fact. I'm an avid Super Street Fighter 4 player and in this game which requires precise timing to hit your "1 frame" links for combos you can literally "feel" the difference on the PSN vs XBL. For instance on PSN even a 5 green bar connection in SSF4 plays like a 4 yellow bar connection on XBL.


    Post-purchase rationailization

    You think you are getting a better connection because you are spending more when in fact you are getting the same
    Get over it

    No, it's called a direct comparison of one network vs another, learn to read


     
    I am telling your idea of telling me of what has expected to happen hasn't happen yet
     
    You have not proven anything to me just that you have supposedly tested the systems and provided no scientific evidence backing you up
     
    So, Common sense says you are either lying or in buyers remorse(Post-purchase rationalization)

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 15:58:05 (permalink)
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    CraptacularOne

    seronx

    CraptacularOne

    seronx

    CraptacularOne

    Yes, paying for it sucks but it's better than the PSN online experience. There is significantly less lag on XBL than PSN.

    I have both and the difference is quite noticeable in games like Super Street Fighter 4 and COD Black Ops for instance.

    That is actually false the amount of lag for the PSN is the same for XBL


    Those that can afford XBL subscription fees usually have faster internet than those who play on PSN and those who use PSN don't even use the Gigabit input instead use the 75Mbps Wireless-G connection built into the PS3


    Did you even bother to read what I typed? I own BOTH systems and for clarification both are hardwired. The latency of the network is definitely not the same, it's far from it in fact. I'm an avid Super Street Fighter 4 player and in this game which requires precise timing to hit your "1 frame" links for combos you can literally "feel" the difference on the PSN vs XBL. For instance on PSN even a 5 green bar connection in SSF4 plays like a 4 yellow bar connection on XBL.


    Post-purchase rationailization

    You think you are getting a better connection because you are spending more when in fact you are getting the same
    Get over it

    No, it's called a direct comparison of one network vs another, learn to read



    I am telling your idea of telling me of what has expected to happen hasn't happen yet

    You have not proven anything to me just that you have supposedly tested the systems and provided no scientific evidence backing you up

    So, Common sense says you are either lying or in buyers remorse(Post-purchase rationalization)

     
    Seriously, do you understand the English language? It seems you do not comprehend what is being told to you. What am I lying about or supposedly having buyers remorse over? I own both systems and do not regret buying either and have played the same game on both systems on the same connection and can tell you 1st hand there is a difference.
     

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 16:00:05 (permalink)
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    Seriously, do you understand the English language? It seems you do not comprehend what is being told to you. What am I lying about or supposedly having buyers remorse over? I own both systems and do not regret buying either and have played the same game on both systems on the same connection and can tell you 1st hand there is a difference.


     
    That difference doesn't exist that is what I am saying to you...and it is your fault that you think that there is a difference
     
     
    Just because you have a CraptacularBrain doesn't mean you can CraptacularTheFacts

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 16:03:40 (permalink)
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    Seriously, do you understand the English language? It seems you do not comprehend what is being told to you. What am I lying about or supposedly having buyers remorse over? I own both systems and do not regret buying either and have played the same game on both systems on the same connection and can tell you 1st hand there is a difference.



    That difference doesn't exist that is what I am saying to you...and it is your fault that you think that there is a difference


    Just because you have a CraptacularBrain doesn't mean you can CraptacularTheFacts

    So now you're going to start with insults? Typical of a teenager who thinks he knows everything but can't understand anything
     
     

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 16:07:34 (permalink)
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    So now you're going to start with insults? Typical of a teenager who thinks he knows everything but can't understand anything

     
    Coming from a guy who can't prove anything by referencing a P(eer)2P(eer) game as being a definite reason why one system is better and the other is not.... Get up and test a game that uses dedicated servers....instead of a game that is host based...
     
    And it's your fault using such a name as CraptacularOne....so shush it crappy

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 16:16:08 (permalink)
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    So now you're going to start with insults? Typical of a teenager who thinks he knows everything but can't understand anything


    Coming from a guy who can't prove anything by referencing a P(eer)2P(eer) game as being a definite reason why one system is better and the other is not.... Get up and test a game that uses dedicated servers....instead of a game that is host based...

    And it's your fault using such a name as CraptacularOne....so shush it crappy

     
    There are no current console games that use dedicated servers to my knowledge. They are all P2P based and in them there is always someone who is the host. This is true for COD series, Battlefield series, Killzone series, Halo series....ect pretty much every MP game worth playing on console is P2P. Given that one can only make the comparison on a game is is available cross platform like SSF4 or COD and the quality of the network is indeed noticeable on one or the other.
     
    It's time you stopped with the petty insults and actually started to read what has been typed junior.

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 16:22:21 (permalink)
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    So now you're going to start with insults? Typical of a teenager who thinks he knows everything but can't understand anything


    Coming from a guy who can't prove anything by referencing a P(eer)2P(eer) game as being a definite reason why one system is better and the other is not.... Get up and test a game that uses dedicated servers....instead of a game that is host based...

    And it's your fault using such a name as CraptacularOne....so shush it crappy


    There are no current console games that use dedicated servers to my knowledge. They are all P2P based and in them there is always someone who is the host. This is true for COD series, Battlefield series, Killzone series, Halo series....ect pretty much every MP game worth playing on console is P2P. Given that one can only make the comparison on a game is is available cross platform like SSF4 or COD and the quality of the network is indeed noticeable on one or the other.

    It's time you stopped with the petty insults and actually started to read what has been typed junior.

    That's the point you can't prove your facts(opinions in this case)
     

     
    You just got peoned
     

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 16:28:41 (permalink)
    Gentlemen, all parties have equal right to their opinion, and there is no need for insults here.  The OP can read both of your arguments and make his own decision.  Time to refocus on assisting the OP and not tearing apart the other person for having an opinion that differs from your own.  Otherwise I will have to lock this thread.



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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 16:30:08 (permalink)
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    CraptacularOne
    So now you're going to start with insults? Typical of a teenager who thinks he knows everything but can't understand anything


    Coming from a guy who can't prove anything by referencing a P(eer)2P(eer) game as being a definite reason why one system is better and the other is not.... Get up and test a game that uses dedicated servers....instead of a game that is host based...

    And it's your fault using such a name as CraptacularOne....so shush it crappy


    There are no current console games that use dedicated servers to my knowledge. They are all P2P based and in them there is always someone who is the host. This is true for COD series, Battlefield series, Killzone series, Halo series....ect pretty much every MP game worth playing on console is P2P. Given that one can only make the comparison on a game is is available cross platform like SSF4 or COD and the quality of the network is indeed noticeable on one or the other.

    It's time you stopped with the petty insults and actually started to read what has been typed junior.

    That's the point you can't prove your facts(opinions in this case)



    You just got peoned


    Here we go with your "prove it" nonsense again huh?
     
    Children.....
     
    You really think you're "peoning" anyone with your nonsense? You obviously do not have both systems and cannot see for yourself the difference.

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 17:08:39 (permalink)
    Honestly I don't care what the networks are like, as I said my only interest is in exclusives like the game I showed (actually that's the only game that makes me interested in xbox or consoles in general, lol :P). The only PS3 games that ever got me interested are God of War 3 and Little Big Planet. Suffice it to say I probably won't be buying either console.
    So I appreciate your opinions, I don't need scientific 'facts' to take your advice either way.
    If mods are considering locking the thread I'd sooner have you two either remove your insults yourselves or for the mods to just delete the entire posts, thank you kindly ;)

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 19:22:02 (permalink)
        Guys quit talking smack about console games we all know that the PS3 is better than the xbox, it has Blu-ray making it more popular to people than the out-dated Xbox.(jk)
     
    Any ways I own a PS3 and we do have games with dedicated servers like, Warhawk but also features peer to peer.
       Lag on Warhawk is like lag on a PC all that matters is your connection/ ping, the only downside is that in console everyone usually has 100+ Ping.
     
    To stick with the subject.
     
    That game looks beast, you might want to go to game stop to buy one of there refurbished consoles. I'm sure they have like a 90 day guarantee before it breaks.
     
     
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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 19:22:13 (permalink)
    When it comes down to it, it's your money and no one can tell you how to spend it. I'll be honest though, I dont think buying a used Xbox 360 is a wise idea, especially an older model, due to the high risk of it breaking. I havent even touched my Xbox 360 in a year (other than playing Halo Reach for a week).

     
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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 20:28:13 (permalink)
    Seems like a lot of money to pay to play one game that looks like early 90's NES game.
     
    They should just release this game on steam with controller support.
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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 21:21:29 (permalink)
    The xbox might be banned from live, but just because it's modded to play burned games doesn't automatically measn it's been banned.
     
    My xbox has been modded for years and I've never been banned from live.  I just don't do anything stupid that is known to get you banned like playing games before release lol.
     
    If they are selling a working console so cheap it's possible it has been banned though.


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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 21:40:29 (permalink)
    What is the game in question? I can't see the video at work.
     
    As far as I know you don't need Gold to dl XBLA games or Demo's; you only need Gold to dl certain demo's in advance.
     
    Already having a PC its hard to really recommend an Xbox. Everything you could want is covered on your PC. I could care less about Halo and Gears. There are a few cool XBLA games though, and Bayonetta if you like crazy Japan stuff. Also don't underestimate Kinnect, its pretty cool, surprisingly feels like magic.
     
    As for the PS3 Xbox debate just to add... I don't play games online with my consoles... But I can confirm that PSN is stupid (super stupid) slow when it comes to dl stuff and installing games... Its pretty clunky. And the PSN store is abysmal, you can search what your looking for, type it in, and its still two pages down!!! How is that possible!!! That said it plays Blurays, thats a plus.
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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 21:54:17 (permalink)
    It's called Aban Hawkins & The 1000 Spikes and looks pretty fun :) Reminds me a lot of an old game I used to play way back called Arctic Adventure which was actually quite good :)
    Wow look at the difference :P

     


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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/20 22:30:31 (permalink)
    Yea I think most game's or demos you can get with xbox live silver the free edition... gold is for more early access or certain demo's and playing on live...
     
    Just to add Xbox Live is loads better than PSN... I own both as well and the PSN just flat out blows, specially for demos or games, you have to DL which takes for ever, then they have to install which also takes a very long time. Any time I have ever played online on a PS3 it was super laggy.
     
    I would say getting a used 360 would be the way to go for your wants. Like crap said just make sure the manu date isn't older than 08, or if it has a HDMI port than it is fairly new as well. One easy way to tell if a 360 has ever been taken apart is to look at the back of the console you will see little square notches. If they are banged up than it is a good sign it has been taken apart. Now they do sell tools to prevent this and make it easy to open. So another way is to pull the faceplate off and check to see if the warranty sticker is still attached or if it has been tampered with.
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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/21 04:30:45 (permalink)
    you are able to get a free month of XBL gold when you create your profile. i dont like the $60/yr subscription either, but it streams netflix better than the wii. i got a great deal on my 360, only reason why i have one. i was torn between the 360 and the ps3. i wanted the ps3 but some1 needed $ and more of my friends have 360's.
     
    if you get it and find games for cheap and cant stand a controller for fps's look into getting a XIM3 (one of the best m/kb adapters out now)

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    Re:questions about xbox 360 and xbox live 2011/03/21 05:49:29 (permalink)
    Also if you buy xbox live subscriptions through amazon it's only $40 a year.


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