2015/02/23 19:43:58
awalleyeguy
 Though I have never used "TEC's" I have always thought that is a way to get great cooling without all the hassle of the extreme. Halo has talked a lot about TEC but to my knowledge never followed through, or least did not post his results.
 When ever I looked into TEC it always seemed that the benefit was over shadowed by the heat they give off, thus getting rid of that heat kind of nullified their cooling effect.  But what you have shown here is at least with chilled water there is a very good benefit with this. I am going to have to give this a try. May be a while. But it will happen.  Thanks for testing and showing this is an alternative.
2015/03/03 16:35:16
EVGATech_DaveB
Yeah TEC's give off a TON of heat.  In some of the higher end TEC coolers I have seen, the hot side is run on a full size waterloop to keep it cool.
 
There was someone in the forums a couple years ago who had a bunch of crazy TEC builds, I believe he said he was military and had learned some of it there.  But I remember him being really knowledgeable, had some TEC cooled HAF932 that was modded like crazy for a 24/7 build.
 
Another source for how-to's aside form those who are normally in this thread is Lehpron, that guy knows his stuff.
 
 
@Hallowen
How many SS's do you have?  Or was this not meant for your normal 2-4way SLI setups?  I know you have a chiller for the cards already, if you are getting to the point of sub ambient cooling on the so you have to insulate, then why not crank the temp down on the chiller?  I don't know which you have but MANY can go sub zero, have you tried pushing it with the chiller?
 
You do have me really thinking about the SS on multiple cards though, really unique idea.....trying to think of a way to do it, it would definitely take some custom hardware.,  But if there is one thing I have learned over the years of computers, cars, and other hobbies, almost nothing is impossible. 
2015/03/03 19:15:07
hallowen
EVGATech_DaveB
Yeah TEC's give off a TON of heat.  In some of the higher end TEC coolers I have seen, the hot side is run on a full size waterloop to keep it cool.
 
There was someone in the forums a couple years ago who had a bunch of crazy TEC builds, I believe he said he was military and had learned some of it there.  But I remember him being really knowledgeable, had some TEC cooled HAF932 that was modded like crazy for a 24/7 build.
 
Another source for how-to's aside form those who are normally in this thread is Lehpron, that guy knows his stuff.
 
 
@Hallowen
How many SS's do you have?  Or was this not meant for your normal 2-4way SLI setups?  I know you have a chiller for the cards already, if you are getting to the point of sub ambient cooling on the so you have to insulate, then why not crank the temp down on the chiller?  I don't know which you have but MANY can go sub zero, have you tried pushing it with the chiller?
 
You do have me really thinking about the SS on multiple cards though, really unique idea.....trying to think of a way to do it, it would definitely take some custom hardware.,  But if there is one thing I have learned over the years of computers, cars, and other hobbies, almost nothing is impossible. 


 
First of All, I will agree 110% that lehpron DEFINITELY Knows All about TEC's as I was informed Years ago when I started my "Get it Colder" Thread using a 790i and a 400W TEC for CPU Cooling.
 
And Yes, I do have four used ASETEK Phase Change Units that could be used in a 4-Way SLI Cooling arrangement, But that's just me thinking out loud again.
 
This time I was just messing around with the Chilled Water/TEC combination as a method of Graphics Card Cooling, But found it was very insufficient in trying to Cool WAY too much Heat (The 400W TEC + 250W of the GTX 480) to even get NEAR the lower Temps that I could obtain with just Chilled Water Cooling, So My thanks goes out once again for lehpron's help using his mathematical theories/Facts and suggestions he had previously explained and after I was able to consider and work with them once again, The probability of using this TEC Graphic Card Cooling idea has been sidelined!
 
I think you could use multiple Phase Change units on multiple Graphics Cards using PCI-E ribbon cable Extenders such as were used in Mining Setups, But even after thinking about running another four Phase Change units that would require yet another higher Amperage capability rework of my present electrical home power panel, I concluded that trying this method would currently not be "in my best interests", LOL!
 
I'll more than likely keep using my Chiller to get to colder temps than I have been, Which by the way I will be trying Just that on some Slightly Older Graphics Cards I managed to buy at a very good price recently.
 
You know even though I've been using mainly EVGA Components for Years, I Do like to try different Components occasionally, Such as when I recently went from an EVGA X99 Classified to an ASUS Rampage V Extreme using my four EVGA GTX 980 Classifieds which I sold earlier this year, And Now I have decided (After Having some Memory Flashbacks of my EVGA GTX 295's in Quad-SLI) I am going to attempt to use my "GPU Only" Water Blocks and install them on My Newly Acquired Pair of RADEON R9 295X2 Graphics Cards after removing the BARELY adequate Factory Stock Closed Loop Cooling System (The ASETEK Pumps/Water Blocks and 120MM Fans/Radiators) and for Giggles and Grins, See What Happens when using these in a Quad-SLI Setup with Chilled Water Cooling to try and prevent the High Temperature GPU Throttling problems which IMO was the Reason that was hindering these Cards from being Overclocked very high due to the "estimated" 425W Power Draw and resulting temperatures at Stock Clocks they each put out in their Factory Cooling Configuration and of Course I'll also have to use another one of my Hercules 1600W/110A Single Rail PSU's dedicated to just powering the Two RADEON Graphics Cards on Top of the Main Hercules 1600W PSU used for the RVE MB/5960X CPU/Hard Drives/Corsair DDR4 and Other System Components.
 
(Those previous above statements should answer any questions about People wondering why I build "Open Air" Benching Rigs and don't Install my Systems in an enclosed Case! )
 
Why am I doing this You may ask?.........Because I Always Love a Challenge as You Well Know.
 
 
 
  
2015/03/04 07:05:17
nateman_doo
I will tell you what... you just gave me an idea to incorporate a tec into a gpu waterblock.  problem with the design in my head is that the heat from the tec would dump into the rest of the block and be introduced into the rest of the components on the card.  the card would need an additional water path to keep a separate loop to keep the vram etc cooler.  
2015/03/04 09:41:41
EVGATech_DaveB
hallowen
 
First of All, I will agree 110% that lehpron DEFINITELY Knows All about TEC's as I was informed Years ago when I started my "Get it Colder" Thread using a 790i and a 400W TEC for CPU Cooling.
 
And Yes, I do have four used ASETEK Phase Change Units that could be used in a 4-Way SLI Cooling arrangement, But that's just me thinking out loud again.
 
This time I was just messing around with the Chilled Water/TEC combination as a method of Graphics Card Cooling, But found it was very insufficient in trying to Cool WAY too much Heat (The 400W TEC + 250W of the GTX 480) to even get NEAR the lower Temps that I could obtain with just Chilled Water Cooling, So My thanks goes out once again for lehpron's help using his mathematical theories/Facts and suggestions he had previously explained and after I was able to consider and work with them once again, The probability of using this TEC Graphic Card Cooling idea has been sidelined!
 
I think you could use multiple Phase Change units on multiple Graphics Cards using PCI-E ribbon cable Extenders such as were used in Mining Setups, But even after thinking about running another four Phase Change units that would require yet another higher Amperage capability rework of my present electrical home power panel, I concluded that trying this method would currently not be "in my best interests", LOL!
 
I'll more than likely keep using my Chiller to get to colder temps than I have been, Which by the way I will be trying Just that on some Slightly Older Graphics Cards I managed to buy at a very good price recently.
 
You know even though I've been using mainly EVGA Components for Years, I Do like to try different Components occasionally, Such as when I recently went from an EVGA X99 Classified to an ASUS Rampage V Extreme using my four EVGA GTX 980 Classifieds which I sold earlier this year, And Now I have decided (After Having some Memory Flashbacks of my EVGA GTX 295's in Quad-SLI) I am going to attempt to use my "GPU Only" Water Blocks and install them on My Newly Acquired Pair of RADEON R9 295X2 Graphics Cards after removing the BARELY adequate Factory Stock Closed Loop Cooling System (The ASETEK Pumps/Water Blocks and 120MM Fans/Radiators) and for Giggles and Grins, See What Happens when using these in a Quad-SLI Setup with Chilled Water Cooling to try and prevent the High Temperature GPU Throttling problems which IMO was the Reason that was hindering these Cards from being Overclocked very high due to the "estimated" 425W Power Draw and resulting temperatures at Stock Clocks they each put out in their Factory Cooling Configuration and of Course I'll also have to use another one of my Hercules 1600W/110A Single Rail PSU's dedicated to just powering the Two RADEON Graphics Cards on Top of the Main Hercules 1600W PSU used for the RVE MB/5960X CPU/Hard Drives/Corsair DDR4 and Other System Components.
 
(Those previous above statements should answer any questions about People wondering why I build "Open Air" Benching Rigs and don't Install my Systems in an enclosed Case! )
 
Why am I doing this You may ask?.........Because I Always Love a Challenge as You Well Know.
 
 
 
  




You have 4 SS Phase units.... damn you have all the BEST toys! (not just the computer kind either)
 
TECs are such an interesting concept, it is just really unfortunate how much power they take to make that cold side work.  I just got a mental picture of using 4 TECs for your GPU side that wer4e big enough to pass your chiller and having the TEC plates on water being cooled by your chiller.... wont happen but it is an amusing design.
 
And yes, Lehpron is a GENIUS, the amount in that guys head is staggering.
 
Ahhhh I remember the days of this thread going nuts with 295 quad SLI rigs, with the chillers and LN2, also the pic someone posted of the GTX 295x2 AMD **** Edition  :)  Those AMD miner cards have some power to them, I cant imagine trying to cool those with a single 120, that is simply not enough, im curious to see how this line of benching turns out for you.
2015/03/04 10:44:01
hallowen
It's just another project to occupy my time while I wait and see what/when (and at what price) EVGA will release the next new Graphics Card Line.
 
Kinda Curious to see if they will make another Dual-GPU version in the 980 series (990?) that would be able to run cool enough for an enclosed case system. Even if they did manage to develop such a Card, The Price of fame will keep going ever higher by leaps and bounds in this competitive world/hobby of overclocking and benchmarking.
2015/03/04 11:59:31
EVGATech_DaveB
Yeah it is a really shame about product prices..... wish it wasn't the case  :( 
 
As long as you keep posting your project to occupy your time im happy there!  As for a dual proc 980, I doubt it, I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
2015/03/04 13:27:13
hallowen
EVGATech_DaveB
Yeah it is a really shame about product prices..... wish it wasn't the case  :( 
 
As long as you keep posting your project to occupy your time im happy there!  As for a dual proc 980, I doubt it, I could be wrong, but I doubt it.




You never can tell, I would hazard a guess that AMD might make another new dual-CPU card just to irritate some of us "Green Fanboys". LOL!
2015/03/08 13:30:47
hallowen
I've got to say that lately with the posts I have read and the Way my thoughts have been going as far as Who (Nvidia and AMD) is going to release What (Titan X/980ti/390X etc...) and When (Q2, Q3 or Q4) the manufacturers are going to release these New Graphics Cards throughout this 2015 year, It's going to prove very time consuming just to weigh the options/specifications of each Card in order to decide on a product to actually use without having to try All of Them individually.
 
This is one of the reasons why I've been attempting to have some fun with the somewhat reduced prices of previous "Earlier Tech" Graphics Cards for my Testing/Benchmarking purposes that at least don't require high premium $$$$ to purchase upon their initial release compared to older Card versions from last year, But God only knows how long I'll be able to hold back and not spend another small fortune again.
 
Seems I've always been addicted to all the latest Modern Technology that appears for years now, and I'm still in Denial about it.
 
  
 
 
2015/03/09 17:50:21
awalleyeguy
 So now I'm a bit confused. Was using a tec with chilled water worth it or not?

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