2016/11/02 17:09:03
Scarlet-Tech
ruhroh
Scarlet-Tech
You are just being impossible on purpose.. 108c on the top left corner shows the scale.. In the bottom left, it shows 56c.. That is the entire spectrum monitor and the color gradient it goes through from black to white and the gamut in between. Don't try to pull wool over everyone's eyes. Provide these link to the test you are referencing



The "span" of the temperatures (56-108c) usually means that the highest point in the image window is close to 108c.  It's very likely that at some point on the image something much closer to 108c exists, the crosshair just isn't centered on it.  In normal operation mode, the FLIR auto adjusts the span of the temperatures to provide as much contrast within the image window as possible.  




 
Then I apologize, as my understanding was incorrect.  If the span shows a item up to 108, why is the hotspot marker reading 95?
2016/11/02 17:21:23
ruhroh
Scarlet-Tech
ruhroh
Scarlet-Tech
You are just being impossible on purpose.. 108c on the top left corner shows the scale.. In the bottom left, it shows 56c.. That is the entire spectrum monitor and the color gradient it goes through from black to white and the gamut in between. Don't try to pull wool over everyone's eyes. Provide these link to the test you are referencing

The "span" of the temperatures (56-108c) usually means that the highest point in the image window is close to 108c.  It's very likely that at some point on the image something much closer to 108c exists, the crosshair just isn't centered on it.  In normal operation mode, the FLIR auto adjusts the span of the temperatures to provide as much contrast within the image window as possible.  

Then I apologize, as my understanding was incorrect.  If the span shows a item up to 108, why is the hotspot marker reading 95?

 
Actually I think you're right, I went to the "Gamersnexus" site in the link and they say it's a "max temperature indicator."  I have a FLIR ONE, which doesn't have that option.  For the FLIR ONE, after I take a thermal image, I can move the crosshair to read out the temperature at a specific location, and thus I can only find the max temp manually.
2016/11/02 17:21:56
FscuderiaX
So I got some of my own data for anyone wondering about temps on their EVGA GTX 1070 SC Black Edition.  Measured with an IR temp gun, max temp I noted on the PCB is at the location on the pic below with stock settings and a 10 minute Firestrike stress test.  I repeated each test twice and results were consistent.  Ambient temp somewhere in the 25C range.  
 
 
STOCK SETTINGS:  Max GPU temp 76C, max VRM temp 94C.
 
 
 I then changed the fan to 67%, corresponding to 2200RPM as in the new VBIOS soon to come.  Same testing conditions: 
 
 
67% FAN SPEED:  Max GPU temp 66C, max VRM temp 79C.  
 
 
 There you have it.  Even on all original settings I didn't see anything approaching dangerous levels.  Although that was at stock SC clocks in a large, well ventilated case I don't think any of us have anything to worry about.  Especially if you had a custom fan profile already set, as did I, I'm sure everything will be just fine.  Prior to this I did claim for the thermal pads and I'll still probably install them for good measure but honestly I don't think it's even necessary (as EVGA has already stated it's optional).  
 
I feel a little bit better about the whole situation, at least for us with Black Edition cards.  Can't speak for the other cards but props to EVGA for promptly addressing the issue.  Hopefully we can soon put this issue to rest and don't see any more thermal incidents.  For those of you still worrying, grab a jar of Nutella, graham crackers, and a pack of marshmellows so in the event something does go wrong at least you'll have something good to eat.  
 
 

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2016/11/02 18:15:18
jonathan1683
So reading all this I guess I am fine I have a GTX 1070 SC version. I don't want to mod anything if I don't have to and I don't want louder fans if I don't have to. So I should be fine correct?
 
On a side note everyone giving this guy a hard time for wanting a free $10 back-plate should give him a break. Right or wrong he purchased a high end product and if they can make him happy by giving him one I don't see that as an issue. It's obviously upsetting him. In my line of work it would be a great day to only have to give away $10 to keep a customer happy.
 
Thanks for your help,
2016/11/02 18:19:32
Scarlet-Tech
jonathan1683
So reading all this I guess I am fine I have a GTX 1070 SC version. I don't want to mod anything if I don't have to and I don't want louder fans if I don't have to. So I should be fine correct?
 
On a side note everyone giving this guy a hard time for wanting a free $10 back-plate should give him a break. Right or wrong he purchased a high end product and if they can make him happy by giving him one I don't see that as an issue. It's obviously upsetting him. In my line of work it would be a great day to only have to give away $10 to keep a customer happy.
 
Thanks for your help,


You do not have to do anything you don't want. If you ever have an issue, evga will definitely cover your card with warranty.

I don't think people are harassing because he is requesting a $10 backplate. It is the fact he is throwing out unsubstantiated claims and demanding the company sends him something for free, when the claims are incorrect.
2016/11/02 18:21:12
EVGA_JacobF
The thing to remember here is that 1070, especially the VRM section, runs cooler than 1080, especially 1080 FTW which has 10 Phases all in a line in close proximity. If you are comparing a 1070 SC or 1070 Black Edition with only 4 Power Phases, it is a much different scenario.
2016/11/02 18:27:15
Scarlet-Tech
EVGA_JacobF
The thing to remember here is that 1070, especially the VRM section, runs cooler than 1080, especially 1080 FTW which has 10 Phases all in a line in close proximity. If you are comparing a 1070 SC or 1070 Black Edition with only 4 Power Phases, it is a much different scenario.


Thank you for the post Jacob.
2016/11/02 18:42:04
pawelblyskal
EVGA_JacobF
The thing to remember here is that 1070, especially the VRM section, runs cooler than 1080, especially 1080 FTW which has 10 Phases all in a line in close proximity. If you are comparing a 1070 SC or 1070 Black Edition with only 4 Power Phases, it is a much different scenario.


I'm not sure what you are trying to imply but ANY 10 phase power delivery system will run cooler than a 4-5 phase system simply due to the fact that the current is spread out between 10 VRMs vs 4 or 5 in the reference design.
 
It is very clear that many people here have no education in electrical engineering and this is a big problem with much of the misinformation people here are posting.
 
The FTW units with 10 phase system run COOLER that the 4-5 phase systems in the reference designs.
2016/11/02 18:48:20
Luta Wicasa

2016/11/02 18:49:09
pawelblyskal
FscuderiaX
So I got some of my own data for anyone wondering about temps on their EVGA GTX 1070 SC Black Edition.  Measured with an IR temp gun, max temp I noted on the PCB is at the location on the pic below with stock settings and a 10 minute Firestrike stress test.  I repeated each test twice and results were consistent.  Ambient temp somewhere in the 25C range.  
 
 
STOCK SETTINGS:  Max GPU temp 76C, max VRM temp 94C.
 
 
 I then changed the fan to 67%, corresponding to 2200RPM as in the new VBIOS soon to come.  Same testing conditions: 
 
 
67% FAN SPEED:  Max GPU temp 66C, max VRM temp 79C.  
 
 
 There you have it.  Even on all original settings I didn't see anything approaching dangerous levels.  Although that was at stock SC clocks in a large, well ventilated case I don't think any of us have anything to worry about.  Especially if you had a custom fan profile already set, as did I, I'm sure everything will be just fine.  Prior to this I did claim for the thermal pads and I'll still probably install them for good measure but honestly I don't think it's even necessary (as EVGA has already stated it's optional).  
 
I feel a little bit better about the whole situation, at least for us with Black Edition cards.  Can't speak for the other cards but props to EVGA for promptly addressing the issue.  Hopefully we can soon put this issue to rest and don't see any more thermal incidents.  For those of you still worrying, grab a jar of Nutella, graham crackers, and a pack of marshmellows so in the event something does go wrong at least you'll have something good to eat.  
 
 




If you decide to overclock at 112% power limit this card will fry without having to run the fan at significantly higher than normal speeds. You have shown 94c at the BACK of the card. This means the actual VRM unit on the front is running well over 105c if not more. You also show exactly the point where the cards are catching fire. It pretty clear the VRM at this section of the card it reaching thermal run away. This is exactly why you need the additional backplate to dissipate the heat via thermal pad.

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