2016/11/02 09:01:15
pawelblyskal
tke899
Just a question.  You are saying that the 109 degrees that Gamers Nexus posted is within spec?  Seems kinda high to me. 


109c is absolutely too hot for VRMs. Jason from EVGA tech support does not understand that even the Black Editions without a backplate are getting these temps as confirmed by various IR tests specifically on Black Editions. I find it quite funny how he tries to claim that a lack of a backplate would provide enough air flow to cool it sufficiently, this is completely false since the IR tests were done WITHOUT a backplate. 
2016/11/02 09:07:38
Scarlet-Tech
pawelblyskal
109c is absolutely too hot for VRMs. Jason from EVGA tech support does not understand that even the Black Editions without a backplate are getting these temps as confirmed by various IR tests specifically on Black Editions. I find it quite funny how he tries to claim that a lack of a backplate would provide enough air flow to cool it sufficiently, this is completely false since the IR tests were done WITHOUT a backplate. 


Could you please provide the pictures or links for use?

This image is without a backplate or thermal pad mod, just the fan adjusted:



You keep referencing these tests, so please provide them.
2016/11/02 09:12:51
pawelblyskal
Scarlet-Tech
pawelblyskal
109c is absolutely too hot for VRMs. Jason from EVGA tech support does not understand that even the Black Editions without a backplate are getting these temps as confirmed by various IR tests specifically on Black Editions. I find it quite funny how he tries to claim that a lack of a backplate would provide enough air flow to cool it sufficiently, this is completely false since the IR tests were done WITHOUT a backplate. 


Could you please provide the pictures or links for use?

This image is without a backplate or thermal pad mod, just the fan adjusted:



You keep referencing these tests, so please provide them.



 
Simply increasing the fan speed on a faulty cooler is not a solution IMO as it produces significantly higher noise output which falls out of spec of the card's noise profile. On top of that the 108c temp (top left corner) with the BIOS hack is still unacceptable.
2016/11/02 09:23:30
Scarlet-Tech
pawelblyskal
Scarlet-Tech
pawelblyskal
109c is absolutely too hot for VRMs. Jason from EVGA tech support does not understand that even the Black Editions without a backplate are getting these temps as confirmed by various IR tests specifically on Black Editions. I find it quite funny how he tries to claim that a lack of a backplate would provide enough air flow to cool it sufficiently, this is completely false since the IR tests were done WITHOUT a backplate. 


Could you please provide the pictures or links for use?

This image is without a backplate or thermal pad mod, just the fan adjusted:



You keep referencing these tests, so please provide them.



 
Simply increasing the fan speed on a faulty cooler is not a solution IMO as it produces significantly higher noise output which falls out of spec of the card's noise profile. On top of that the 108c temp (top left corner) with the BIOS hack is still unacceptable.


You are just being impossible on purpose.. 108c on the top left corner shows the scale.. In the bottom left, it shows 56c.. That is the entire spectrum monitor and the color gradient it goes through from black to white and the gamut in between. Don't try to pull wool over everyone's eyes. Provide these link to the test you are referencing
2016/11/02 09:32:22
EVGATech_JaesonW
I can confirm the VRMs on these cards are rated up to 127c. 109c is still well below this, and thus in spec. I've tried searching for any posts either here on our forums, Google, Reddit, Tom's Hardware, and OCN, and I could only find one thermal image of a 1070. It's running at 88c without a backplate in GTA V:
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/5afe1h/evga_gtx1070_sc_no_backplate_thermal_imaging/ 
 
Note that even increasing just his case fans to full lowered his VRMs to 81c under Time Spy load.
 
As I said, there's no thermal issue to worry about with reference cards, especially without a backplate. 
2016/11/02 10:10:49
matilija
pawelblyskal

You must be very young....
 
With your logic everyone can just remove the backplate and solve this issue which is truly laughable lol. With or without the backplate the cards are overheating as shown by numerous users INCLUDING users with the Black Editions. People taking IR readings showing the card overheats are actually REMOVING the back plate to get the readings as clearly shown in the IR pics. You must have not looked at them else you would not have made such a silly statement. As stated before, the backplate is being used as an additional heatsink when implemented with the thermal pad fix. This is a simple fact. Not only that but even EVGA disagrees with you since all the Black Editions (backplateless models) are listed as being affected by the faulty cooler. Quite funny...




Lol, so with your logic, you chose to save 10 bucks and get the card without the backplate, and think that they should just give you one now because reasons.  No one with 1070 SC black editions are suffering overheating vrms, they may be having bsod issues due to low voltage, but that's a bios issue, not a heat issue.  Also, EVGA does not consider their cooler faulty, but is still providing the thermal pad solution for customer retention and peace of mind. 
 
Edit: and I applaud EVGA for doing so, most companies would just say, it's a non issue and be done with it, but providing a peace of mind solution at no charge is pretty awesome.
 
2016/11/02 10:12:00
pawelblyskal
The fact remains, 
EVGATech_JaesonW
I can confirm the VRMs on these cards are rated up to 127c. 109c is still well below this, and thus in spec. I've tried searching for any posts either here on our forums, Google, Reddit, Tom's Hardware, and OCN, and I could only find one thermal image of a 1070. It's running at 88c without a backplate in GTA V:
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/5afe1h/evga_gtx1070_sc_no_backplate_thermal_imaging/ 
 
Note that even increasing just his case fans to full lowered his VRMs to 81c under Time Spy load.
 
As I said, there's no thermal issue to worry about with reference cards, especially without a backplate. 


Like I said...tell that to all the people that are experiencing crashes, artifacts, and even VRMs catching fire. All those tests were done when the card wasnt even overclocked...
2016/11/02 13:42:02
bcavnaugh
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2016/11/02 16:40:45
ruhroh
LOL this is too rich.  That reddit post is mine, I also cross-posted here.  (can't post link due to my post count but it shouldn't be hard to find)
 
Not 30 minutes after I posted the thread here, bcavnaugh private messaged me: "You Could Have At Lest Posed what the Max Temp is, which I think is 102C You are causing more issue and problems on the Forum doing this, at least that is what I believe."  
 
So let me get this straight bcavnaugh, you believe I'm "causing more issue and problems," yet you are quoting/reproducing my post here?
 
 
 
2016/11/02 17:04:46
ruhroh
Scarlet-Tech
You are just being impossible on purpose.. 108c on the top left corner shows the scale.. In the bottom left, it shows 56c.. That is the entire spectrum monitor and the color gradient it goes through from black to white and the gamut in between. Don't try to pull wool over everyone's eyes. Provide these link to the test you are referencing



The "span" of the temperatures (56-108c) usually means that the highest point in the image window is close to 108c.  It's very likely that at some point on the image something much closer to 108c exists, the crosshair just isn't centered on it.  In normal operation mode, the FLIR auto adjusts the span of the temperatures to provide as much contrast within the image window as possible.  

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